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brisbane
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September 2005
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 wheel spin
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Wed, 28 September 2005 12:59
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hey guys just wondering if anyone knows how to stop the annoying hopping up and down of the rear wheels when u get the spinning?
ive heard of putting a 3rd spring in, wondering how difficult this would be and if it is worth it?
thanks
~andrew~
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Location:
Canberra
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June 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Wed, 28 September 2005 13:28
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I can suggest somethings that could cause it. I Would not go to adding any extra components just yet.
Any of the following could cause axle tramp, or hopping as you refer to.
Worn out shocks
Worn out, broken or missing bushes or components
Replacement Urethane bushes not free to rotate
Too hard shock
Too heavy spring
Tyres under-inflated
Not enough anti-squat in the suspension geometry
Need to know the setup on the car for further suggestions.
Regards
Rodger
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Wed, 28 September 2005 14:18
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| love ke70 wrote on Wed, 28 September 2005 22:59 |
hey guys just wondering if anyone knows how to stop the annoying hopping up and down of the rear wheels when u get the spinning?
ive heard of putting a 3rd spring in, wondering how difficult this would be and if it is worth it?
thanks
~andrew~
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i think your car is trying to tell to stop trying to do burnouts 
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Location:
Northeast US
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Wed, 28 September 2005 16:32
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traction brackets solved my big issue with wheel hop - mine was so violent i actually snapped the bottom of my rear shocks 
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Location:
Melbourne
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August 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Wed, 28 September 2005 22:45
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I had similar 'issue' in my RA23...i got massive wheel bounce from the rear taking off from the start line from 1st, 2nd and bottom of 3rd. Turned out gear box mount rubber was rooted, well half missing, and the whole drive train bucked like ya misses when you told her thats they way her mother liked it too!
Try this: Take the car out on some flat wet grass and while standing still get the wheels spinning at low revs (or moving slowly in a straight line - the whole point is you want the wheels spinning with no bounce)....once spinning and its not bouncing put boot in and see if still has a fit...if it does its definitely shocks/springs (most likely they're stuffed)...if it doesn't bounce then like yrhkira mentioned look at the other components cause it sounds like it bounces when subject to large forces (road burnouts), don't forget to check the gear box mount (doubtfull) and try tightening all of the suspension components too.
If you can't be buggered upgrading the suspension, weld the diff, whack some skinny tyres on it and add a bit of oil and you're smokin' all the way to the local street drags! Good luck.
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 29 September 2005 09:01
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its in a ke70, and both of them that i have do the same thing, well the other one did til i removed the thing that goes vroom 
the springs are new, shocks are pedders gas, who knows from when, everything is standard. all bushes there, bit old but still look alright.
these burnouts are on a patch of what used to bre grass. now dirt, on slippy grass it doesnt tend to do it, so im just wondering if it is as the tyres try to grip, and rotate on the springs a bit, and then unload ^hop^ then try grip again.... like that, but i duno.
oldcorollas, why would i get a rwd corolla if not for drifting or burnouts (although the fact it was free was part of the decision making process  )
anywho what can u suggest now u know the setup?
thanx guys
~andrew~
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Location:
Strathfield / Sydney
Registered:
July 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 29 September 2005 09:51
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| love ke70 wrote on Thu, 29 September 2005 19:01 |
why would i get a rwd corolla if not for drifting or burnouts
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Ke70's pull chix bro, sik
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 29 September 2005 09:52
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your shocks are not up to the job.. pedders gas are not exactly the best shock in the world 
WYSIWYG, are they for 4 link rears also?
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2002
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 29 September 2005 10:58
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Traction brackets just mount the lower trailing arms a little lower on the axle side of things (on a 4 link rear), giving more antisquat. I think that they may even reduce rear weight transfer slightly on acceleration resulting in possibly poorer traction on take off ??? I'm not too sure about this but I thought that this is why they are so popular with the dorifto boys.
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 30 September 2005 10:51
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so thats it, definitely the shocks, or just likely the shocks??
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
August 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 05:41
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buy a set of shocks....if it doesn't work at least you have a spare set! W
What tyre pressures are you running?
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 05:47
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i tend to run around 30psi, a bit more than the recommened but they roll so much on the spec setting.
im lookin at gettin an alfa 105 diff for the ke70 soon, so i may try new shocks if i get that.
thanx for the help guys, ill let u know if i get new shocks on the rear....what type would u recomend? (i would never touch pedders but they were there when i got the car) but what is good?
~andrew~
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 08:18
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wats in this ke70 lol i know a std one cant pull a skid unless its been raining for 3 days haha
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 08:58
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LOL
yeah mate is a stocker
4k-c thunderous power, my extractors make all the difference
the question should be what under it
the answer is dirt, (which used to be grass....disappeared for some reason ) and yeah i just bring her up to 7000 and drop the clutch, and she bounces around til i get to scared and back off shes fine if ur movin, just standin still the bounces on the spot 
~andrew~
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 09:02
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lol wats the fun in that ... youll never break a ke70 weve tried meny of times dont worry about it
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 09:07
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lol im not worried, its just embarrasing in front of me mates
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Location:
Gold Coast
Registered:
June 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 09:27
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Replace the shocks first and if that doesent work replace all the bushes. My mates KE70 used to hop like a bastard before now with all new nolathane in the rear it'll smoke up on the spot no probs.
(I sound like such a bogan now)
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 10:09
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lol but were all proud to be bogan rite?
what else is there to day aye
yeah dont those big word bushes sorta stop ur suspension moving the way it should, or is that a different type?
~andrew~
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Location:
Perth, WA
Registered:
December 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 10:59
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its the bushes, the rear wheels are trying to go while the car is stationary (moving forward in the wheel wells), this compresses the chassis like a spring, and it springs back out, then repeats.
new bushes will fix your issue, especially if they're nolathane, because they dont stretch and compress like rubber ones do.
Eldar.O.
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Frankston, Victoria
Registered:
April 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Thu, 06 October 2005 13:47
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Strange that I never had this problem...
What height springs are you running and how hard are they? I was running AE86 King spring lows. Stock shocks. Never had the problem... I figure if the springs are hard enough, there's no way your diff is going to try to lift off the ground... Get some hardened lowered springs, you can pick up a pair of King spring lows for around $160 and they'll fit right in... Spring rate of around 3.3KG/MM I think.
Kev.
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Location:
Melbourne
Registered:
August 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 02:56
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by the sounds of things if its only bouncin on the spot when you do a 7G CLUTCH DUMP, the car doesn't have enough torque to keep it going! Maybe try a quick gear change to keep it there in 2nd? not too hard just gotta be quick! 
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Location:
Pilbara
Registered:
November 2004
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 06:27
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bunkyT18. do u drive one of these commodores wif a hektik turbo? coz to do squealies u need a squealie surface, im doin it on dirt thanx for the post tho mate, was fooly hektik
ajmor6 y do u think the wheels will keep spinning in second when the arnt spinning in first?? do u think the wheels are spinnin fast enpught to need a gear change?
thanks fellas for all ur help
~andrew~
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Location:
Tassie
Registered:
October 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 07:19
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OMG
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Frankston, Victoria
Registered:
April 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 08:03
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Man I used to pull some hektik burnouts on wet roads in my rolla. Lol. Nah but seriously man, cut yourself a short shifter, and if you can change gears to second quickly enough (ie rev+dump in first, then rev+dump in second quick), you can keep the burnout going for a fair while.
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Location:
Pilbara
Registered:
November 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 08:17
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Nah I don't got the teh fooly hektik commo mate, but I'm foooly jealousing on those bro's that do got one.
Seriously mate, the only way to get your car to spin it's wheel/s is to pop a 4AGE or better in there. Power = burnouts, or at least even a bit of a single spinner spinny thing on the dirt. I have noticed it in cars that axle tramp with a weaker motor in them but once more horsies are going through, traction breaks and wheels go spin, wheeee!
Actually I'm a bit surprised at my posting on this thread cos I ordinarily don't believe in excessive loss of traction. Of course, a little bit of oversteer and slide is easily acceptable. What do the kids call it? That drifting stuff?
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Frankston, Victoria
Registered:
April 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 08:20
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I never had a problem with doing doughies and burnouts in dirt with the 4k though... maybe it comes down to "hektikness skill" hahaha.
Kev.
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Location:
Pilbara
Registered:
November 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 08:48
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Lol yeh, the "hektik grass burnout skills bro"
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I supported Toymods
Location:
Frankston, Victoria
Registered:
April 2004
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 09:03
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yeah bro fully... 
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Fri, 07 October 2005 16:29
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this is a stupid thread and should be locked.
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Sat, 08 October 2005 01:05
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it didnt start out as a stupid thread, i was asking reasons for my axle tramp
i think i might go and practise my 'hektik skills' bro
but yeah im puttin more horsies in when daddy lets...or i move out whichever comes first, im not into doin burnouts on roads, coz tyres cost too much, just a bit of paddock fun
well thanks all u fellas that did help me out, technicaly and not-so-technically, was good to get some opinions on the matter, see oldcorollas it was a worthwhile post, ur just jealous of my 4k power
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Location:
Tassie
Registered:
October 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Sat, 08 October 2005 01:20
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is it leaf sprung in the rear ?
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Sat, 08 October 2005 02:10
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nope its coil springs
why do u ask?
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Location:
Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
Registered:
January 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Sat, 08 October 2005 04:00
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| love ke70 wrote on Sat, 08 October 2005 11:05 |
see oldcorollas it was a worthwhile post, ur just jealous of my 4k power
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hm, you never saw my fuel-injected, 275/284deg (11mmlift) cam'd 4K did you
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Location:
brisbane
Registered:
September 2005
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Re: wheel spin
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Sat, 08 October 2005 04:58
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wish i had 
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Location:
Tassie
Registered:
October 2003
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Re: wheel spin
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Sun, 09 October 2005 01:35
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| love ke70 wrote on Sat, 08 October 2005 13:10 |
nope its coil springs
why do u ask?
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Because axle tramp is really bad in leaf sprung cars due the springs twisting into an "S" shape. when they spring back to their original shape it causes the axle to bounce.
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