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| AE86 Levin Melbourne wrote on Mon, 26 September 2005 22:57 |
sorry to hear this dude...
I know this car 5 years ago and it was serviced in IDB in Richmond long long time ago..
the car was never perfect I heard...it was alright once and able to rev to 6500rpm 3 years ago when the car changed hand to the pervious owner..
what the previous owner did to the car then I don't know...
by the way,Levino has a t series diff for sale, might be cheaper to buy that instead of rebuilding yours one and just use yours one for spare..
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thanks mate i'll check it out.
WHy was this car never perfect? hm.. interesting that this car has been around for 5 years. From what i gather from the previous owner, the engine was rebuilt with forged stuff in his hand, and done no more than 20,000 kms. It sounds alright, supercharger etc works fine. The previous owner had a very good map for this car but he lost it when he made the car run low octane (a move myself and everyone else i meet don't understand).
i don't see how this engine cannot be perfect, so i'll get it remapped once with its current mods, and have everything rewired up nicely. Then we'll see. I hope to be proud that i can make this car drivable and reliable. If you know anything about the history please fill me in.
BTW i calculate that with the mods and low comp stuff plus the cams, it should rev to at least 9,000 ( i assume the standard would be 7000 ++), with the 2 massive fuel pumps and big injectors to support this. On top of that i expect the super charger powerband to be within 2,500 RPM to 5,500 RPM, peak power at 8500 and redline at 9,000 RPM
what i can't figure out is the 3D mapping which really boggles my mind at this point. But i've had my experience with 4A-GE. Even NA, high comp pistons only and minor ECU work, it can rev up to 9,000 ++ easily. (only limited by the valve springs and injectors). (it's a big port 88KW )
thanks for the info but levino has sold the lsd thing and his JDM open center diff is over budget. i'm getting mine rebuilt, strenghtened adntightened up for 550 with 12 months gurantee. His is 800 as is... not much security.
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Mon, 26 September 2005 15:00
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thanks for the info but levino has sold the lsd thing and his JDM open center diff is over budget. i'm getting mine rebuilt, strenghtened adntightened up for 550 with 12 months gurantee. His is 800 as is... not much security.
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if you ignore the disc brakes, the 4.3 ratio and the ablity to put lsd in it
then yes... it is overpriced 
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Mon, 26 September 2005 15:02
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if your paying $550 to rebuild an S series your crazy hell even to rebuild a drum t-series, as Shiri said $800 is well worth the disc rear end and better ratio, even if it blows up its like $70-$150 bucks for another from a wrecker
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Mon, 26 September 2005 16:50
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| KOPDIS wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 01:02 |
if your paying $550 to rebuild an S series your crazy hell even to rebuild a drum t-series, as Shiri said $800 is well worth the disc rear end and better ratio, even if it blows up its like $70-$150 bucks for another from a wrecker
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I wonder why i feel like an idiot now.. i'll try to explain my point of view anyway so i don't seem like a loser.
Maybe if i put up a question, my position might seem clearer.
Is Levino's diff any stronger than the S series in a sense It won't break under any circumstances?
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Tue, 27 September 2005 00:01
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i had a T-series in my last i car, I believe they are stronger diff centre as they are a larger bulkier item, i have never snapped an axle and over the period of 12months i only replaced the centre once when it started whining after HEAVY abuse and it cost $70 and took me 45min.
I dont understand you, why are you worried about reliability if you have just put the car up forsale? there is no point paying someone $550 to fix an s-series if you want to sell it, just spend $100 and whack another centre in which will be fine for another 6-12months even with abuse!, no-one wants a rebuild s-series anyway more than likely someone will pull it out and put it in the bin.
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Tue, 27 September 2005 00:25
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when i rang around for the diff, the quote for 220 at that time was just for the center.
In fact, the diff center for the mazda capella we have is also 220. I was under the assumption that all diff centers were around the 200 mark.
But that diff center from the wrecker or second hand could have issues like it being loose, gears are buggered, and a few things which can't be checked unless it's on the car and running.
And the fact that i'm not very knowledgable about S-series and T-series except the T is "stronger" and has potential for LSD, the advice i've been given from people from this forums and in the industry is that
1. Differentials break.That's why there are diff specialists.
2. No matter how strong the diff is, it will still break under abuse, excessive load or shock treatment.
3. A well maintained and nicely used "weaker" diff is about as good as a thrashed and abused strong as diff. Both "could" break. Doesn't matter if it's standard, LSD, spooled or anything.
And my options at that time were
1. 220 (not include labour) for a second hand diff which has only 3 months warranty
2. 550 for a rebuilt diff, tightened and covered even for race use for 12 months (part, labour, warranty, reliability and security)
3. 800 for a disc brake, high ratio, open diff, no gurantee. (part only....)
and i figure i need a diff to stand up to the supercharger nicely, which has warranty. And any diff i get will eventually break, so any diff i choose to put in i'd like rebuilt anyway. I don't want the next person to break the diff 5 minutes after driving it, tomorrow or whenever. ANd since all diffs can break and all diffs can be thrashed, i figure hey, it's all the same anyway, so i just went ahead to rebuilt the one i had.(apparently the drivetrain has some JDM components like the g.box).
The car is on the market only open to offers. If i don't have the right offer i won't let it go. Plus at the moment i'm only looking to keep it, it's just an issue with "fun versus cost".
ARgh.. enough with the diff. it's sorted so i'm glad the drama is over and the car is finally drivable.
Next stage, remapping the ECU!! Rank Rotary here i come!!
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Tue, 27 September 2005 04:12
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i think you really need to re-evaluate whether an ae86 is for you if you aren't prepaired to spend 20 minutes searching a forum to learn some things about the car. If you even consider paying someone $550 to fix a s-series diff then i wouldn't tell people about it cause it is embarassing on your part.
point in fact. there is NO lsd's avaliable on the market today that will fit an s-series diff, there are no known alternative lsd's and there are one in a billion avaliable USED in japan. Second point in fact, Toyota designed them for a 60kw engine... no matter how you seal it, how you recondition it, how you treat it, it will never be a viable option to cope with a 200kw 4AGZE on high boost. A s-series is a BUDGET option, it should never be considered as an "option", and i use that word lightly, UNLESS you have blown your t-series, you have 0 money and there is an s-series sitting in your shed.
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Tue, 27 September 2005 07:09
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| ShiRi wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 14:12 |
A s-series is a BUDGET option, it should never be considered as an "option".
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Go the Hilux diff ... 
Seriously mate - this thread shows that you've just bought an AE86 on impulse without doing much research into it. Like most car sales that seem to be a bargain at first glance, this one has turned out to be an unfinished project requiring more $$$ to get it into reasonable condition.
I agree with Shiri - if you want to get rid of the car, don't spend more $$$ rather count your losses and just sell it as is, maybe for a lower price if you're desparate to get rid of it (and now that everyone on the forums knows its faults).
Rebuild S diff? People give away their S series diffs for free these days ... pffft! 
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Tue, 27 September 2005 09:22
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i think you really need to re-evaluate whether an ae86 is for you if you aren't prepaired to spend 20 minutes searching a forum to learn some things about the car
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hahahahah schooled
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Tue, 27 September 2005 14:03
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| hachi-man wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 19:22 |
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i think you really need to re-evaluate whether an ae86 is for you if you aren't prepaired to spend 20 minutes searching a forum to learn some things about the car
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hahahahah schooled
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yea...
i feel like an idiot... but no matter what, end of the day i've got A diff, s-series t series detroit spool watever diff i dun care. i have A diff, the car is running, and i've 12 months covered even for race purpose. and i only paid 550 for it. If any part of the diff (excluding wheel bearings), especially the diff center breaks, i'll be covered by warranty for 12 months (as clearly stated on the invoice, i'll be covered for the diff center, crown, pinion, farings, housings etc etc and all dat bs)
that's about as long as any diff which is trashed, whatever diff everyone's talking about here. So there... i've eaten my medicine and copped every bit of advice and humiliation, but end of the day i've got what i wanted. So what if it's a weaker diff? It's A DIFF!!
so thanks for all your comments and advice, and for giving me the hard time. Next time i join up for a cruise you can laugh at me some more as "THE GUY WHO REBUILT AN S-SERIES DIFF".
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Tue, 27 September 2005 14:14
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on a lighter note, i've got the car back today, and i have to say even though it's so out of tune and acts really funny, i love the tone of the exhaust especially at the 3500 RPM mark.
Had the wiring checked out today, and found that it will get really ugly because everything electrical is aftermarket. Headlights have relays beside it, one park light is standard loom but the other is aftermarket, relays for the fan, dizzy coil packs has wiring everywhere. Then there's a very funny LED light by itself right in the center of the grill. When i put on the high beam, the instrument cluster's highbeam doesn't show, which definitely proves that the headlight is not wired up through standard loom.
Plan for saturday is to trace all the wiring of the car, wire it up through the dash properly. Seats and audio will be taken out to have the power and relay for fuel pump looked at.
I have my black tape, cable sleeves and side cutters ready.
Then on tuesday the car will be remapped and dyno tuned at Rank Rotary in mentone. They're one of the few Haltech people around i heard, plus the rates are alright so give them a go. From now until tuesday i'm open to any opinions about the tuning shop so i won't cop any embarassment about going after the job is done. But hey they've guranteed me a good balance between economy and power...
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Tue, 27 September 2005 15:51
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| Dodgy_Haro wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 17:09 |
| ShiRi wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 14:12 |
A s-series is a BUDGET option, it should never be considered as an "option".
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Seriously mate - this thread shows that you've just bought an AE86 on impulse without doing much research into it. Like most car sales that seem to be a bargain at first glance, this one has turned out to be an unfinished project requiring more $$$ to get it into reasonable condition.
I agree with Shiri - if you want to get rid of the car, don't spend more $$$ rather count your losses and just sell it as is, maybe for a lower price if you're desparate to get rid of it (and now that everyone on the forums knows its faults).
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Well the first AE86 we bought was pretty good, for an old car with stock engine. I have to admit that we bought a lemon with this one, so i'd really appreciate it if salt wasn't rubbed into the wound.
The reason i started this thread was to show a bad experience and see if anyone can top that for bad luck, NOT to bag the previous owner or anything. We bought this car knowing it had faults, obviously not as serious as we thought until 5 minutes of driving it and even today as we learn more and more about it. I was under the influence that the car wasn't an unfinished project, but rather a reliable daily driver. Obviously we were shafted. Can't trust anyone these days..
we do understand the risk when buying a car like this. Didn't think the car needed attention straight away. We'd like to keep it but it's open for sale if someone offers the right price. My aim is to get the car running well at the end of day. I'd like different opinions and welcome critics, but there is a limit as to how much you can laugh at a person's misfortune and bad judgement.
So we're starting work on the car. I think it has lots of potential but needs attention at this point. I'll update this thread for anyone interested. At some stage i hope i can join up with events and cruises to show my handiwork. Obviously i can't turn a lemon into a ferrari but hey if it's unique, reliable and proves its worth then i'd pat myself on the back and say i've done alright,
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Wed, 28 September 2005 05:25
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Bit of rain today.
1. Even though it's way out of tune, as soon as the supercharge kicks in the rear wheel starts spinning especially if you plant the pedal harder than usual and turn the steering wheel a bit. Entering westall rd from springvale road at 80km.h in 4th gear, 2,000 ++ rpm.. without moving accelerator.. the instant it reached 2500 RPM the charger kicked in, and hello fishtail.
2. the fuel gauge is buggered and i ran out of petrol. 20 bucks went in (17 litres) and i've gone around 120 kms plus whatever was in the tank at that time. Again we pushed it up the hill.
3. made a u-turn, and found out why the 86 is such a good drift car. for a RWD it's easily controlled, even though it's wet on the road. did a few low speed drifts coz of the rain.
WOO HOO can't wait for the tuneup!
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Wed, 28 September 2005 05:32
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Um probably not the best idea to be bragging about acting like a tool on public roads. 17+L for 120Km fuck thats more than the rona and its a pig on fuel.
Anyway hope everything works out but being a public forum a cops can use the internet and B it doesn't promote a good image for the club.
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Wed, 28 September 2005 05:45
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 28 September 2005 15:32 |
Um probably not the best idea to be bragging about acting like a tool on public roads. 17+L for 120Km fuck thats more than the rona and its a pig on fuel.
Anyway hope everything works out but being a public forum a cops can use the internet and B it doesn't promote a good image for the club.
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well noted. i promise it's only a one off thing. i made sure nobody an no cars were around, and it's only coz i'm excited about it. To date i've never caused an accident (rear ended twice, scraped by another car once) and i intend to keep it that way.
Yea it is.. Everytime after a drive the whole place smells like petrol. In a bid to run low octane, the ECU map has been run extra rich and shortened to cut out at 4500 rpm, to prevent pinging and detonation. All that will be solved come tuesday.
I thought coronas did quite well on petrol especialy on long distances. Had a go in a few of them, especially the 2.4i which is very torquey, but really nice for long distance cruises. (apparently the 2.4i is meant for a van).
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Wed, 28 September 2005 05:49
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The 2.4L is ok on the freeway (around 10.5L per 100km) but in the city its 12-15+L per 100km depending on driving style.
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Sat, 01 October 2005 14:25
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Wiring is done. Woo hoo!!!
No more spaghetti all over the engine bay. the fog lights was almost 50% of the mess. there was an LED light screwed into the center of the grille. Powered by a relay, through a fuse and earthed at the radiator support. Comes on when the headlight or the thermal fan is turned on.
Now the bad side is...
1. headlights don't work. Parkers and all other lights are fine.
2. One of the amp wires don't work, losing power to 2 of the 3 amps, the aftermarket cigarette lighter etc..
3. Thermal fan doesn't work as well now.
I'm not sure if the problem is because of one thing (amp wire not getting power) or because i've repositioned the earth around the car and that's killed some of the items.
Other than that the car starts and runs fine.
A positive step with a negative shadow. Getting professionally looked at on sunday and monday, getting servived completely (engine oil, supercharger oil etc..)
Supercharger oil is 0W-40 Fully synthetic is good?? (this is what i picked up from the forums, and as well from my mechanic, as opposed to the gear oil which is too thich).
Engine will run 5W-40 Castrol Fully synthetic Magnatec (available only to garages).
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Sat, 01 October 2005 14:38
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Rust spots fixed up and reinforced as well today. Rust on hatch is now one solid square mark. Rust on corner of fuel tank same as well.
Woo Hoo... getting exciting, can't wait for the tune up on tuesday, then it'll be flying...
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Sat, 01 October 2005 14:53
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dude, seriously... rip a loom out of another sprinter and start again....
OR, just redesign the wiring from stock to add in the extra features you want, and any that doesn't go where you want? rip the fucker out.
the ONLY way to fix a dodgy wiring job is to redo it as much as possible.
get some fuse banks from a Ford (laser, falcon etc) as they are compact but easy to use, and run things on seperate circuits, ie headlights, horns, fans, ECu, pumps, stereo (each of the amps)... run them Each on a SEPERATE use and relay system...
or it will just continue to fuck you over 
headlights are easy... fused power to the cabin switches, then use the power out to go to seperate relay for high/low/spotties etc... too easy...
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Sat, 01 October 2005 15:04
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| oldcorollas wrote on Sun, 02 October 2005 00:53 |
dude, seriously... rip a loom out of another sprinter and start again....
OR, just redesign the wiring from stock to add in the extra features you want, and any that doesn't go where you want? rip the fucker out.
the ONLY way to fix a dodgy wiring job is to redo it as much as possible.
get some fuse banks from a Ford (laser, falcon etc) as they are compact but easy to use, and run things on seperate circuits, ie headlights, horns, fans, ECu, pumps, stereo (each of the amps)... run them Each on a SEPERATE use and relay system...
or it will just continue to fuck you over
headlights are easy... fused power to the cabin switches, then use the power out to go to seperate relay for high/low/spotties etc... too easy...
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Good point. When i started this job, i was seriously thinking about another wiring loom. But as i got into it, removing all the unnecessary shit and shit that doesn't work, i found out what all the wires do and where it's connected at. At the end of the day i've cleaned up the engine bay and found out where most of what does. I just got really tired and the only part of the car that doesn't work is the headlights which you mentioned is very easy.
Apart from that, the thermal fan is dead easy, but i'm not sure if the relay or power source is from a problem area so i didn't rewire it until i found out why the accessories don't have power.
Got most of the things done today, so the next step will be to do as you said if i can't find out why it doesn't work. Plus i won't spend too much time figuring out why it doesn't work but rather i'll go ahead and make new looms anyway. Relays and switches are a bitch as i'm more a mechanical person than an electrical one. i'll definitely consider the ford option (never realised it until you mentioned) for wire looms.
Currently it uses the fuse pack for sound system which keeps blowing the fuse meant for ignition.
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Sat, 01 October 2005 15:15
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eek... keeping ignition seperate is my main goal  sucks to be stuck somewhere....
the fords are just for a convenient source of blade fuse boxes... (although some falcons have a really neat modular relay holder in the engine bay.. snap together type...)
always always use new wire and over rate it
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Fri, 23 September 2005 09:23 |
You bought the car knowing it had been thrashed and also witnessed him doing so yet you still bought it, i think someone was just asking for trouble.
   
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if ur buying a spoontah with suspension mods, ecu, high comp etc.... u think the previous owner didnt trash it?? there must be something so wrong if its not trashed b4
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Mon, 03 October 2005 07:15
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so what if he did?
i've bought trashed cars, trashed it myself, and sold it to the next person who trashed it some more. I still see it around getting trashed. Toyotas are really solid for trashing if you feel the need to.
What's the point of building a nice sports car if it can't perform 100%, not all the time but when i want it to?
of course i'm not hooning and doing burnouts but i hope to see calder raceway on a wednesday to test out the suspension after the tuning etc..
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WIRING!!!!!
Spent the weekend clearing out the engine bay. As mentioned, foglights, LED, rice shit in the engine bay was half the mess. Now i've cleaned everything up and there's not one exposed wire visible. All the yellow wires across the radiator have been either chopped, discarded or rerouted discretely.
1st major drama was the headlight, which took us 2 hours to figure out. there was power, but the buld just wouldn't go, on one side. turned out to be a hidden earth wire that didn't get enough earth.
2nd problem is the fuses still blows. The fuse from the battery (positive terminal) have been "aftermarketed" and uses some sound system 4 gauge wire with 2 fuses 40A and 30A to run ignition and something. That fuse is amp wire fuse and keeps blowing. In simple terms, from an overload because i've removed everything rice that's drainign the power. The proper explanation is that there's an overload at the ignition because of a short circuit or some electrical fault. Getting solved today along with a full service.
3rd problem, when i flick the high beam or turn on and off the headlight, the turbo timer is triggered and counts down. This problem i solved by ripping it off and donating it to my electrician, along with some VIPER alarm indiglo thing that wasn't wired, fog light, heaps and heaps of wires and rice bits.
Previous owner told me to service the supercharger with thinest gear oil. Apparently the GZE supercharger runs off the engine for oil and cooling. 2 mechanics have said so, but also i've read somewhere that there is a toyota supercharger requiring its own oil (0W-40 recommended). Would this be for the 1G engine?
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Fri, 07 October 2005 10:34
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Feels like sitting on a rocket, but it's going as hard as a lemon. Thinking thinking, how how how can i get this car to go? Even though it's very very out of tune and barely 40% of its maximum potential, i can still whoop VT V6 commodore on launch until 80 km/h.
Haltech ECU has 4/15 inputs plugged in, 3 effectively working, other sensors and controls missing. Getting rewired up. Supposedly the Haltech Loom is complete, but where is the rest of the loom? Argh!! worst thing is Haltech doesn't make or sell these looms anymore so everything has to be wired up from scratch.
If it gets too much, the car is going to be stripped, but to cover back our losses and to sell the stuff for what it's worth, who will pay 3000 bucks for a done up GZE with haltech ECU (probably with a complete loom and harness etc..)
argh.. frustration sets in and i want to burn it, but we've come so far.
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Fri, 07 October 2005 10:44
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One guy came to see the car though...
mature, asian, whitish hair, bout 5'6, interested in something high-performance. Brought him for a low-speed drift demo coz he asked so nicely (2 fishtails and 2 180s,)
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"i've never experienced drift before, this is the first time, and i like it".
Was thinking about upgrading his imamculate red AE-86 with nice wide wheels.
Was worth the chat and hope he liked the car but in the end he declined because the car was too much for him. Apparently he was only interested recently and wanted to go slowly rather than suddenly get a high-powered item.
The moral of the story - AE-86 is 22 years old, and attracts people meant for its time, which would now be over 40.
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Fri, 07 October 2005 11:00
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i havn't met a 40yo interested in ae86's
in fact.. i only know a handfull over 30
do you think before you post trd_07? mostly everything u've posted is utter garbage
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Fri, 07 October 2005 11:14
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Do you have any pictures of this ride?
And how did you get it to slide? did it come with an lsd or locker?
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| ShiRi wrote on Fri, 07 October 2005 19:00 |
i havn't met a 40yo interested in ae86's
in fact.. i only know a handfull over 30
do you think before you post trd_07? mostly everything u've posted is utter garbage
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Well there's a bunch of guys I know into AE86s well over 30!
I'm 38.
The difference is most of the older guys aren't interested in drift, have been playing with AE86s for years and don't need to carry on endlessly about dorifto, Initial D etc.
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| ShiRi wrote on Fri, 07 October 2005 21:00 |
i havn't met a 40yo interested in ae86's
in fact.. i only know a handfull over 30
do you think before you post trd_07? mostly everything u've posted is utter garbage
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this isnt the tech n conversion section, so shouldnt this section be about car related utter garbage?? besides, trd_007 is a new guy in 86 scene. its not like ur the 86 king or anything like that
i bought my 86 frm a guy who i reckon is about 40 years old. look hard and you'll come across quite a few "oldies".
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Fri, 07 October 2005 14:31
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| ShiRi wrote on Fri, 07 October 2005 21:00 |
i havn't met a 40yo interested in ae86's
in fact.. i only know a handfull over 30
do you think before you post trd_07? mostly everything u've posted is utter garbage
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well excuse me... what is your problem?? we've bought a garbage car, it's a lemon and a piece of shit, what's wrong with sharing? it's probably the dodgiest 86 ever, and i'd like to share my experience because it's bad enough i parted with hard earned dollars and i don't need the hassle it's given me. Isn't this what forums is about??
and as for this guy, he is 46. It's an experience more than anything. WHy are you so hostile? did i offend you or something??
Don't bother replying or making your comments. I'm beside myself everytime this car gives me problems, and i've had enough.
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Fri, 07 October 2005 14:38
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Do you have any pictures of this ride?
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yea i do. PM me and i'll send them. It used to be advertised here as well, but i found it on firesport.
It has a standard rear diff, but it's been rebuilt and straightened out. Doesn't have LSD or locker but it still drifts without locking up. It feels different, but i'm not a serious drifter so i'm not up to the stage where LSD is a must.
I find that it's important to recover more than to make the rear slide
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It's amazing how people make judgements based on one experience
I said i knew a handfull, i didn't say there wouldn't be any.
i just think that TRD-07 should leave the un-educated statements to himself... he has proved he really has no idea. I'm more than happy to help when it comes to issues that may arise, but this thread has been nothing but ignorant post after ignorant post. Excuse my suggestions but perhaps you should create a members ride thread about ur car... i don't give a f*ck about it so i'd stay right out of that thread... but while you want to talk about it in the general section, i'm entitled to tell you that your a goose if i see fit.
If you still think that that's unfair, then i'm sorry.
Shiri
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| ShiRi wrote on Sat, 08 October 2005 00:45 |
It's amazing how people make judgements based on one experience
I said i knew a handfull, i didn't say there wouldn't be any.
i just think that TRD-07 should leave the un-educated statements to himself... he has proved he really has no idea. I'm more than happy to help when it comes to issues that may arise, but this thread has been nothing but ignorant post after ignorant post. Excuse my suggestions but perhaps you should create a members ride thread about ur car... i don't give a f*ck about it so i'd stay right out of that thread... but while you want to talk about it in the general section, i'm entitled to tell you that your a goose if i see fit.
If you still think that that's unfair, then i'm sorry.
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who's posting rubbish now i wonder
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Fri, 07 October 2005 14:55
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care to share as to why you think it's unfair?
You just said my posts were garbage... don't you think you're being a little hypocritical?
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like blown said u appear to be an instant expert. there was a time when u knew shit about cars especially 86s as well. trd_07 appears to be at that stage, plus he is blessed with a "wonderful" 86, so y do u have to give him shit. do u even do ur own engine conversion?? if u do have u completed it flawlessly?? if no to any then all i have to say is SHUT UP!!!
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Fri, 07 October 2005 15:33
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BTW I just realised SHIRI was 6 years old when I started playing with AE86s, perhaps I should dump shit....
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Well said 4AGE.
Unfortunately the AE86 fad has led to a lot of wankers coming out of the woodwork.
When they have all gone and doriftoed into the scenery or made their dollars from the fad, the real enthusiasts will reappear.
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Fri, 07 October 2005 17:36
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wat u doin up so late blown86?? i think ur quite old since uve been playin 86s when shiri was 6 . do old ppl stay up these late nowadays??
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Thanks for your support. To be honest this forums has helped me get through the worst of it, whichw as really the begining. I've accepted the car will cost time, money,blood sweat and tears, but hey i can take it one step at a time. It's continuous work to make it reliable.
Dissing this car has given me motivation to keep going, and i've never given on a ride before, no matter how shitty. This is just my biggest challenge yet and it's got potential so i'd like to see this car run 100% before it exchanges hands, or at least so we can have a whole lot of fun in it.
My diff is working out great, but now i know if this breaks outside the warranty period, i know how much it costs and what i should be getting the next time.
And also i've fixed up the wiring problem with a fuse box. I didn't get it from the wreckers but rather ordered one from HELLA, a proper fuse for each ignition wire.
ANd i'll definitely start putting up this car on member's rides.
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| KOPDIS wrote on Sat, 08 October 2005 00:41 |
AE86s arent straight forward cars and the problems you are having many others have experienced, most sprinters are made of of spares from 10 different models so when its passed on and something breaks you go wtf is this! GL its a hassle but it should be worth it in the end
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My mate is still enjoying your previous ride. And it runs like a dream, burning very very little oil and goes crazy. In the wet it sideways very nicely and controllable compared to the supercharged one. It desperately needs a service now, but my mate is broke so i guess the engine will suffer for a bit now.
All the problems we had were wear and tear items, running costs and all that. Clutches wear out, and timing belts need to be changed. Just bad luck the tensioner seized, but it's beautiful for a 22 year old car, revs right to the end 6000 RPM without hassles. What more can we ask for? It's not insanely done up beyond repair, it's not breaking bits and pieces every week. Starts up everytime, reliable and powerful for a carbie. Tell you the truth it was worth it for this.
I wish the GZE one was as straight forward and simple as this. But it's getting there. Once the ECU is hooked up properly, everything will be done and i hope it goes nicely.
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wat u doin up so late blown86?? i think ur quite old since uve been playin 86s when shiri was 6 . do old ppl stay up these late nowadays??
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No old people don't stay up late!! We're too busy horizontal Folk Dancing!!!
I'm actually in Africa, 7 hours behind Perth and 9 hours behind the East Coast.  .... and unfortunately a long way from my cars 
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| b1gb3n wrote on Sat, 08 October 2005 01:36 |
wat u doin up so late blown86?? i think ur quite old since uve been playin 86s when shiri was 6 . do old ppl stay up these late nowadays??
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No old people don't stay up late!! We're too busy horizontal Folk Dancing!!!
I'm actually in Africa, 7 hours behind Perth and 9 hours behind the East Coast. .... and unfortunately a long way from my cars
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now i know....old ppl use their retirement money to travel
....and forget all about their cars
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lol... was i having a go at older drivers?
if i did... i must of missed it... all i did was have a go at his useless statements
it's amazing how this car makes u elite... i'm as big a victim as any
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WTF!! I travel so I have money to spend on my cars!!!
Bloody wippersnappers!!!!!!!!!
Any way TRD07, please, if you haven't been put off by the newbie dorifto tossers et al. Enjoy the essential experience of the AE86 as a lot of us old bastards do. Forget about the takumi tossers and their fantasies.
Then you'll enjoy scithing past them on the road and track as I do, telling them to get a life when they ask me if I DORIFTO. 
It's about time all the tossers went to Datto 1000's or 180b's! 
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lol... was i having a go at older drivers?
if i did... i must of missed it... all i did was have a go at his useless statements
it's amazing how this car makes u elite... i'm as big a victim as any
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2.9 posts per day and approximately 50% shit???
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lol... was i having a go at older drivers?
if i did... i must of missed it... all i did was have a go at his useless statements
it's amazing how this car makes u elite... i'm as big a victim as any
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you must be friends with the previous owner of this car..
a victim? now who's making useless *Ahem* bull *Ahem* statements.
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Sat, 08 October 2005 02:41
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lol what?
lol forget it, it seems that im the idiot here ... enjoy ur car mate... see u in december
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WTF!! I travel so I have money to spend on my cars!!!
Bloody wippersnappers!!!!!!!!!
Any way TRD07, please, if you haven't been put off by the newbie dorifto tossers et al. Enjoy the essential experience of the AE86 as a lot of us old bastards do. Forget about the takumi tossers and their fantasies.
Then you'll enjoy scithing past them on the road and track as I do, telling them to get a life when they ask me if I DORIFTO.
It's about time all the tossers went to Datto 1000's or 180b's!
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i appreciate the AE-86 as much as my dad does. And while i'd like to learn how to drift, it's a skill i'd keep to myself more than anything. my other ride is a Mazda Capella RX-2, with original 12A. belongs to a mate but i have it most of the time. (the same guy who currently owns the blue 4A-C sprinter).
Thanks for your support, and no i've never been put off by these dorifto tossers. I've met a lot of people during my experiences and i definitely will meet a lot more. Not everyone's been nice especially when i bring an old fire-hazard petrol drinker, but i've met a few wreckers and mechanics who've genuinely helped out. At the end of this experience i hope to be cruising with more of the mature generation, rather than the younger "dorifto" and "drag drag" kids.
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| ShiRi wrote on Sat, 08 October 2005 12:09 |
lol... was i having a go at older drivers?
if i did... i must of missed it... all i did was have a go at his useless statements
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you must be friends with the previous owner of this car..
a victim? now who's making useless *Ahem* bull *Ahem* statements.
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Awwww be kind he probably belongs to the UBER-Doriftoes!!!!
Don't want to get on the wrong side of them because they know all about AE86's and THE FORCE!!! 
and some cartoon.....
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drifting is a good sport. i'm a fan so i don't condemn it, but obsessing about drifting is what turns soccer fans into soccer hooligans.
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| Blown86 wrote on Sat, 08 October 2005 12:20 |
WTF!! I travel so I have money to spend on my cars!!!
Bloody wippersnappers!!!!!!!!!
Any way TRD07, please, if you haven't been put off by the newbie dorifto tossers et al. Enjoy the essential experience of the AE86 as a lot of us old bastards do. Forget about the takumi tossers and their fantasies.
Then you'll enjoy scithing past them on the road and track as I do, telling them to get a life when they ask me if I DORIFTO.
It's about time all the tossers went to Datto 1000's or 180b's!
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i appreciate the AE-86 as much as my dad does. And while i'd like to learn how to drift, it's a skill i'd keep to myself more than anything. my other ride is a Mazda Capella RX-2, with original 12A. belongs to a mate but i have it most of the time. (the same guy who currently owns the blue 4A-C sprinter).
Thanks for your support, and no i've never been put off by these dorifto tossers. I've met a lot of people during my experiences and i definitely will meet a lot more. Not everyone's been nice especially when i bring an old fire-hazard petrol drinker, but i've met a few wreckers and mechanics who've genuinely helped out. At the end of this experience i hope to be cruising with more of the mature generation, rather than the younger "dorifto" and "drag drag" kids.
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If you need someone to help mate PM me or others that are reasonable, there's no point talking too much about the finer points with all the instant expert dorifto crap flying about these days>
Unless you want spring rates in the order of high downforce openwheelers, then deal with the open forum.
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"Forget about the takumi tossers and their fantasies." So does that mean all the guys competing in drift events in australia i.e. simon and leighton are takumi tossers living out their fantasies? hmm.. that's not really cool..
"do u even do ur own engine conversion?? if u do have u completed it flawlessly?? if no to any then all i have to say is SHUT UP!!!" Are you serious? No conversions go 'flawlessly' .. and you learn a lot because of that, so you're going to tell him to 'SHUT UP!!!' because he got his 20v running in his sprinter? It runs pretty damn well! Needs to be tuned though.
But I think you guys shoudl get off shiris back a bit. Sure he was way too aggressive when giving suggestions about the diff, and he was way too aggressive when talking about the guys posts containing 'garbage' but I'd say his motives were to help the guy avoid pain and suffering from rebuilding an S-series, and also not searching forums for information on a car that's been so extensively modified in every possible way there's about 15 ways to do everything.
but also, a roadworthy does NOT give any kind of guarntee that the car will be okay to drive. it just means it meets certain safety standards of roadworhyness.
Anyway, to everyone, SHUT UP AND DRIVE. That's the fun bit
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so shiri is an expert??
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But I think you guys shoudl get off shiris back a bit. Sure he was way too aggressive when giving suggestions about the diff, and he was way too aggressive when talking about the guys posts containing 'garbage' but I'd say his motives were to help the guy avoid pain and suffering from rebuilding an S-series, and also not searching forums for information on a car that's been so extensively modified in every possible way there's about 15 ways to do everything.
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I don't care what Shiri has done. Just because you know more than me doesn't mean you should critisize. IF he wasn't so knowledgable and was shafted like this, i'd like to see what he'd do.
Also i'd like to see your 15 ways of wiring up an ECU that's barely 20% complete. As far as i know, there is only one, that is to read the manual, find what does where, trace everything and start making connections.
my apologies for my harsh comments but i'm very frustrated with this piece of shit.
Cheers.
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i have been shafted mate... for the last 9 months. there are 22858 threads on the tech section of this forum... i have found everything in there.
and ben, where have i claimed im an expert?
I'll leave you alone now, i won't make another contribution. good luck!
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| ShiRi wrote on Sat, 08 October 2005 23:09 |
i have been shafted mate... for the last 9 months. there are 22858 threads on the tech section of this forum... i have found everything in there.
and ben, where have i claimed im an expert?
I'll leave you alone now, i won't make another contribution. good luck!
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