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Liverpool
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February 2005
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 10:46
 
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I dunno who was at fault but they both looked like a couple of girl's blouses pointing fingers at each other.
They need to bring a little biff into motor racing I reckon.
Cheers, Greg.
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Land of Oz
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June 2004
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 11:06
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Hi,
Whoever was behind was in the wrong.
Also, I'm with Farky-babes. They should of got their rocks off and started a full-on biff instead of girly finger pointing.
seeyuzz
river
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 11:07
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"bring back, bring back the biff!"
I thought the car in front cut infront of the slower car coming into the corner and it was his fault he got spun around.
other ppl have said the slower car show have allowed him to pass and slow down.
i think the 1st one is right
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Bayside Melbourne.
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May 2003
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 11:29
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I wanted to see Ambrose go over the wall and down the hill...
... just because it hasn't happened in a while and it would have been cool to watch. 
Also, i was getting all excited when they took of their helmets thinking they were gonna have a punch-on... i quickly realised they were both fucken skirts when they just pointed angrily at each other. Pussies. 
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 11:33
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murphy is full of hot air
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 11:33
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yeah, when the helmets came off I was expecting a few punches.. and they both hate each other to boot.
I'm a bit torn about who did what wrong... ambrose got a long way past him (murphy was only up to the 3/4 panel). so while ambrose did turn in front of him, he was holding his racing line to a car that was behind him.
I'm gonna say murphy was in the wrong, but I'm not up to date on the latest regualtions regarding "race space" etc... it was so much easier when if you weren't up to the b-pillar it was your fault 
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 11:51
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| draven wrote on Sun, 09 October 2005 21:33 |
it was so much easier when if you weren't up to the b-pillar it was your fault
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i thought that was what the rules were
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Forster NSW
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September 2004
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 11:52
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I wanted to see more of a lead up to what made it happen.. I tend to think ambrose was in the wrong, he seemed to still be heated about the whole balaclava incident and was being a bit too aggressive after the restart trying to gain positions where there really wasn't the room for it
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 12:28
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it was, and still is to a degree. but there's a mitigating rule of race space.
beats me, don't know it that well
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new castle
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July 2005
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 12:40
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those 2 drivers are setting a nice example of ROAD RAGE for the younger viewers.
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 12:43
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I'm leaning toward cutting them both a little slack.
they'd been racing for over 5 hours, and suddenly in that one crash both lost over 100 points (considering they were in high placings), ambrose lost the championship lead.
The moment any road rager is under that sort of stress and fatigue and only yells at someone, I'll cut him some slack.
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Banned by his request
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July 2002
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 21:34
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think there punishment got dished out at the track,a big DNF at the end of the race,there is nothing worse than that.
mick
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melbourne
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September 2005
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 21:54
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definatly murphy's fault. Ambrose had clearly made a pass, after murphy had such a poor exit out of turn 2. Ambrose didnt turn in front of murphy (to cut him off), he simply was 'goin around the corner' and quite wide at that. The contact happened with murphy's car in the middle of the track and he had the inside line, so he could have moved left to avoid anything, ambrose had to take the line he did, otherwise would find himself in the wall, besides, given the pass he made, it was well within his rights to turn that corner as he did.
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 22:09
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only watch it a couple of times but ambrose will get done for it, if its not just let go, as DNF.comes down to racing room etc and the guy overtaking having to avoid the car being overtaken.looked like murphy gave him a love tap going into the corner as pay back for ambrose tapping him before the corner.i think you will find it was murphys corner because of were he hit ambrose,he was deep thats why he lost it with ambrose.if he wasnt deep ambrose would have spun and murph would have tapped the brakes and kept going.case of murphy guarding his line and there not being the room for them both.its a close call,need the inside camera to help work it out.
mick
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melbourne
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September 2005
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 22:11
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deep? hit him on near rear wheel.
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 22:15
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as i said only saw it quickly,but looked deeper to me an hence the car dynamics during the crash by murphys car.ill say more when i have a good look.but you could be right.
mick
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melbourne
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 22:18
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it seems like there was a tyre scuff just near the rear wheel of ambrose's car. Will avesco look at this now and fine some one?
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 22:21
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if it to hard to tell whom is at fault they give both a talking to and leave it at that.it was the end of the race and they already got the worst possible fine you can,DNF.
mick
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Sun, 09 October 2005 23:52
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Murphy's fault, he's a hot head anyway. 
Ambrose had the speed, the pass and the racing line, plus he gave Murphy room on the inside of the corner anyway. Murphy dug the nose of his car into Ambrose by choice, instead of hugging the apex and giving Ambrose room on the exit.
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 00:31
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murph's very cool!top bloke.ive never met a true race that isnt a hot head on the track,exept for the ones that are just there to have a bit of fun.everyone has there moments.lmao
mick
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 00:32
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does anyone have a vid file of the chopper shot of the incident?
thanks
mick
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I Supported Toymods
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Glenmore Park, NSW
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 01:38
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bit of give n take on that 1.
ambrose was ahead
murphy needed "race space"
ambrose tapped murphy
murphy tapped ambrose back
upto the powers that be i guess.
all i can say is you didnt hear ambrose paying out on murphy
in the commentator interviews afterwards. But murphy was all over ambrose with the slander.
shows who the bigger man and better sportsman was.
oh and "BRING BACK THE BIFF!"
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 07:06
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it was totaly murphy's fault imo. im definately no fan of ambrose, hes a wanker but he was definately not at fault.
if you watch the footage from the chopper (which is the only footage that shows the whole story) you will see that murphy fudged corner 2 big time. ambrose came through the inside leaving him with the outside for corner 3. ambrose was clearly infront of murphy coming into corner 3 and left murphy ATLEAST a car width and a half to take the inside line. you can see murphy move to the outside wall and tap ambrose.
i would even entertain the idea that murphy spun him deliberately knowing what it would do to ambroses championship and the pairs past record. yes ambrose is involved in alot of biff and quite often its his fault but murphy is totally at fault here, i cant beleive the stewards put it down to a racing incident.
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February 2003
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 07:18
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Cams show their true colours - is the best example of non-decision making i've seen in a while (and i'm a public servant veteran):
from <http://www.cams.com.au/content.asp?PageID=Article& amp;ObjectID=649>:
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V8 Supercars – Race 1:
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An investigation was carried out by the IPO into the incident involving car #1, Marcos Ambrose, and car #51, Greg Murphy, on lap 144. The IPO:
+ Considered the incar footage of car #51;
+ Considered the incar footage of car #1;
+ Considered the incar footage of car #10 (immediately following);
+ Recognised it was a difficult part of the track to overtake;
+ Interviewed the driver of car #51;
+ Interviewed the driver of car #1;
+ Considered observers reports;
+ Considered and viewed Channel 10 television coverage;
+ Considered the opinion and advice of the Driving Standards Observer; and
+ Considered the matter on its own merits.
It was determined that it was not likely to be clearly established that there had been a breach of the rules by either driver. Accordingly, no further action was taken on the incident and the investigation closed.
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so if you drive and behave like an aggresive knob-head destroying thousands of dollars worth of racecar, you get off with not even a warning but if you miss the media-show-and-tell, they fine you $2500 (see link for examples).
The definition of 'racing incident' does seem to be applied with a very wide brush (I think a recent IPRA incident of an RX7 all but climbing over the side and bonnet of an RX4 got a similar lack-of-judicial reponse?).
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January 2003
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 07:26
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What i found strange was no in-car footage from Murphys car ? Very strange , but the in-car footage from ambrose's car showed a big hit that thought the car around .Defiantly not just a rub along the side or rear of the car , was murphy going to even make the corner at that speed . Well if they check the telemetry and his speed at that point is higher that any other lap he will be fucked . Maybe there will be a cover up , but i am sure it will go on for a while after as the stonebrothers team aren't really into loosing .But all in all it was a good race , best in years. Good to see Tasman motorsport and the guys at Harrop's had a good event.
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 07:34
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I was at bathurst for the weekend as you may have seen from my thread pics will be added this weekend. From what i can see ambrose got a run on muroh up the mountain, but he was on the outside which generally lacks grip and for a lot of the weekend was damp. Murph takes the racing line (dry line) into the corner carrying vastly more speed than ambrose who at that point had passed him, ambrose comes across the racing line and gets munted.
Murph probably should of given him room, but really ambrose shouldn't of been out there the move was never gonna stick as he didn't have the run to the next corner and there is no way he could of held the lead out wide so he came across murph and got hammered.
Officials have pretty much cleared both of any wrong doing leading up to the out of car antics ie it was a racing incident shit happens. Though haven't heard if they will be fined for jumping out of their cars big no no and close to bif.
Was a good race, i was sitting on the inside of the chase go team australia must of been in the trap there about 10 times throughout the day with more close calls, there was a rush for the reminents of a front splitter at the end of the race.
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 08:24
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On the overhead shot it was definately murphy's fault. Ambrose was well wide and murphy still managed to hit him. Ambrose hadn't even turned in when he was hit.
As for a punch up, ambrose should have either a. left the helmet on and headbutted murphy off or b. taken it off and swung at him with it. Eitrher way it's win/win.
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 08:31
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from the above link, shows why CAMS is laughable.
HPDC – Matters arising from Race 1:
Following an investigation by the IPO, and an admission by the competitor, car #30, Tony Evangelou, was found to be in breach of rules, in that he lost a rear wheel (C2.6). The Stewards imposed a penalty of a fine of $2,500, wholly suspended until end of season 2006.
Now I'm sure it says somewhere in their bible that you have to start with 4 wheels but fining someone for losing one during a race?
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Sydney
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April 2003
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Mon, 10 October 2005 11:08
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Murphy is my favourite driver, and I'll readily give the incident a 50/50, you really need some in-car video footage from Murphy's car to make a definitive call. Either way though, suck shit hard to Ambrose, he's an ugly, bald, whinging, self righteous cock-head who needed some bringing back down to Earth, would have been good to see him go over the wall and shunt down the hill to a stop. Really give the wanker something to whinge about on the long walk back to the pits. And Ambrose got cut some slack hard aswell, he got a drive through penalty for Warren Luff not wearing his fire balaclava, then Ambrose got talked into coming in to put his one on, but didn't receive a drive through for not wearing one himself in the first place, it doesn't matter whether he came in of his own accord or not, he still should have got another drive through.
Ingall should have got one aswell, he came flying in the pits after only being back in the car for 20 laps, jumped straight out of the car, and ran into the back of his team's garage, it was obvious as all hell he had no balaclava on, yet no drive through for the Caletex Falcon.
And Murphy is in the right regarding the situation after the crash, he got out of his car and stood near the wall out of the way, yes he was pointing and yelling, but Ambrose made the aggressive move of waltzing over and shoving his face in Murphy's. He should have snotted Ambrose, but I guarantee he would have got a suspension and huge fine for it.
Good win to Skaife and Kelly, Holden number 1 again. 
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 00:08
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bias much? oh yes, murphy is such an angel!!! He was so polite, standing next to his car while he waiting for young Marcus to come over. And the nice words he threw at Marcus (lip read) after the shunt was also very gentleman like! 
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 00:14
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| zork wrote on Tue, 11 October 2005 10:08 |
bias much? oh yes, murphy is such an angel!!! He was so polite, standing next to his car while he waiting for young Marcus to come over. And the nice words he threw at Marcus (lip read) after the shunt was also very gentleman like!
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Anyone got the clip of it, the big screen was too far away to hear the sound  , but looked funny as fuck.
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 00:44
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lol told you the wouldnt call it!more of a case of the DNF for both,if one kept going it would have been a whole diffrent story.
welcome to racing:)
mick
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 09:46
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i dont think it matters that ambrose was on the outside line, yes it may not be the gripiest part of the road but that was his choice, he stuck to that line yet you can CLEARLY see murphy aggressively move to the right and into ambrose. he knew he was there, he knew what would happen at those speeds and in that situation if he tagged him yet he still moved out.
i dont like murphy, dont like ambrose, but love the drama 
worst thing about supercars is the media restrictions on the drivers. i dont know ANYONE who doesnt like hearing the drivers spit the dummy about other drivers. its sux when you see the guys biting their tongue because of the imposed restrictions.
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 09:55
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| EVOSTi wrote on Tue, 11 October 2005 19:46 |
i dont think it matters that ambrose was on the outside line, yes it may not be the gripiest part of the road but that was his choice, he stuck to that line yet you can CLEARLY see murphy aggressively move to the right and into ambrose. he knew he was there, he knew what would happen at those speeds and in that situation if he tagged him yet he still moved out.
i dont like murphy, dont like ambrose, but love the drama
worst thing about supercars is the media restrictions on the drivers. i dont know ANYONE who doesnt like hearing the drivers spit the dummy about other drivers. its sux when you see the guys biting their tongue because of the imposed restrictions.
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Actually reading the news article on fox sports today they aren't even getting any attention over the argument and pretty much sad they are free to say what they want over it lol.
The officials pretty much came to the conclusion that ambrose was in a stupid position and wasw never gonna hold the line around the corner and if you actually look at that part of the circuit the way murph swung out is how you take the corner.
Who cares though, neither are charged it was a pissa Skaife won woot (I have followed him since the skyline days and remember seeing the GTR at a local shopping mall when i was like 5).
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cambo
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 22:53
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| EVOSTi wrote on Tue, 11 October 2005 21:25 |
im dirty on skaife. i think it was around 91-92 and i was at OP walking round the pits getting autographs (i was only around 8 ). i went to the castrol tent and they were flat out, yet larry perkins went outta his way to find a texta in the transporter cause mine was dead to sign me an autograph.
i went to get one from skaife, he was walking somewhere in no hurry, i asked him for his autograph and he shunned me. no im still not over it, hes a knob
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Well i got his autograph fine at oran park when he was walking round, kinda helped that I was wearing plenty of HRT shit at the time and had an access all areas pass .
Todd Kelly was a dick the day befor that but come race morning at oran park last year we got his autograph fine, sometimes they are just having a bad day.
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Townsville
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February 2005
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 23:26
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| EVOSTi wrote on Tue, 11 October 2005 21:25 |
im dirty on skaife. i think it was around 91-92 and i was at OP walking round the pits getting autographs (i was only around 8 ). i went to the castrol tent and they were flat out, yet larry perkins went outta his way to find a texta in the transporter cause mine was dead to sign me an autograph.
i went to get one from skaife, he was walking somewhere in no hurry, i asked him for his autograph and he shunned me. no im still not over it, hes a knob
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I almost got run over in the pits by alan jones in the mid 90's when he drove v8's. Not over it either 
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November 2003
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 23:31
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I almost got run over in the pits by alan jones in the mid 90's when he drove v8's. Not over it either
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That'd be your own fault for standing in the way of the cars. With the old Bathurst pits/paddock it wasn't very wide and the cars would be driven round the front by the engineers/staff to the actual pit garages, they roll them along and then come up behind someone fire the engine and blip it to the redline. Piss funny if you watch not so funny when you are infront of the car ie you shit yourself.
Alas this can't happen with the new pits, we almost got cleaned up by an ambo in the paddock at bathurst once lol.
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February 2005
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Re: Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
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Tue, 11 October 2005 23:54
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Not really, I was about 10 or 12 and he came flogging through the crowd because he was late for the start of a session or something.
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Who has in the wrong ? Murphy or Ambrose?
