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Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Fri, 14 February 2003 14:58
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Could somebody please enlighten me as to teh stock Kw/bhp and torque of the gen 2 (i think its gen 2) 3sgte? There i s a $3000 half cut from an st185 gt4 with 28,000 km on the clock waiting for me.
Thanks in advance
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Fri, 14 February 2003 23:27
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Yeah well when you live in cnaberra you pay more.
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Sydney
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November 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Fri, 14 February 2003 23:36
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st185 halfcut w/ 28000 kms? wouldn't that have been sitting around for quite a few years now (if not just wound back)?
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Sat, 15 February 2003 00:46
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Well itcomes from canberra's biggest spares dealer straight from japan
it will getsome treatment once it arrives, of course
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September 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Sat, 15 February 2003 22:36
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Yeh the price your paying seems a little bit high, but if the km are genuine i guess its not too bad.
Just for a comparison, i payed $2650 for a ST185RC front cut with 55000km. This is the most powerful version of the Gen II 3SGTE making 235hp. It came with the W-A intercooler as well as a mint condition GRP A rally bonnet and front bar. Ive been offered $1000 for the bonnet alone.
This is in Melb by the way...
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Sun, 16 February 2003 01:29
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that reminds me to test the Gt4 im buying i hope ( IN A MONTH!!  )
its only the standard Gt4 - not a group a - But it has had the exhaust system reworked for better flow - the boost upped , and the fuel pressure voltage thing raised to feed the extra horsies the motor will produce ..
Seeing the standard Gt4 sits around the 160kw level - id expect with mods - to see around 170 odd Kw
be interesting to see what this thing puts out at the wheels
Steve bignalls GT4 - which has been seriosly modified ( and featured on the main toymods page atm and recently in one of the fast 4's magazine puts out close to 230KW at the wheels .. I believe shes well in excess of 400 Hp - before NOS
GO STEVE!! your gt4 is a BEAST!
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September 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Sun, 16 February 2003 02:13
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U'd probably get around 110kw at the wheels with a 160kw GT4. Stock GT4 is around 153kw i think...
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Gold Coast
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January 2003
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Sun, 16 February 2003 11:41
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| CeLiCa wrote on Sun, 16 February 2003 12:13 |
U'd probably get around 110kw at the wheels with a 160kw GT4. Stock GT4 is around 153kw i think...
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dreaming about the 110kw, the WRX with 155-160kw puts out 90-95kw @ the wheels.
Nezza 
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Sun, 16 February 2003 13:03
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Losing so much horsepower through the drivetrain just shows how crappy the WRX is.
Benmeyer.... what are the details of the car that will receive the GTE? If you will have a spare 3S-GE lying around, I may be interested. My 3S-FE is starting to make some odd noises.
Chris
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 17 February 2003 03:45
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It's going into an st162. So i'll keep you posted because i'll probably be wanting to unload the 3S-GE somewhere. I've decided to go for the ST205 Half Cut. 180kw sounds very nice. I'm sure the front wheels will love it!!
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Melbourne
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September 2002
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 17 February 2003 04:50
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for a stock gt4 - id say that target of the wrx is well within reach . for a modified one with better flow and boost upgrades - id say 110 would be well achievable ..
Whats the WRX runs as boost stock - the GT4 - i thinks about 8psi - the one im looking at is around the 12psi level
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 17 February 2003 05:14
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they all do 12 pounds
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 17 February 2003 07:46
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you sure on that ?
if so - mine might be higher again !
i know the things boost guage is always on max when its wound up
it REALLY needs an analogue guage in it - but i know its running higher boost than standard ..
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September 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 17 February 2003 09:02
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GT4's aren't 12 pounds stock... they are limited to around 5-6 psi in 1st and 2nd and around 8-9 psi in the higher gears 
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 17 February 2003 09:13
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celica ( in various cases )
thats what i thought - 9 psi max in stock form
the one ive driven sure as hell didnt fill liek others ive been in
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 17 February 2003 14:41
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well i got it from gtfour.supras.org.nz
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Tue, 18 February 2003 01:35
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it says 12 psi for the fuel cut - but im pretty sure they do run lower boost
With ecu modifications you can override this to a constant 15 psi for fuel delivery ( the one im looking at has this )
makes it run a little rich but feeds the extra boost that its delivering ..
i cant find a stock power level sheet from toyota themselves - but the rest of that page has some pretty good info .
Interesting to see with slightly more cam lift , a larger throttle body - and higher fuel cut - the st185 motor would be pretty much on the mark with the 205 - which is a beast and a half ( and a late model Mr2 turbo ! )
can anyone chase up actual toyta specs
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Melbourne
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September 2002
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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Tue, 18 February 2003 03:54
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From what I've seen of standard ST185s on our dyno days, they make about 80kW.
Worked ones get about 120kW I think.
There's a lot of drivetrain loss, but remember that there are quite a number of driveshafts in operation!!
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Brisbane
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January 2003
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Tue, 18 February 2003 13:54
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If you are puting the engine in a 162 why buy the 1/2 cut?? Can't use much of it except the engine and computer. You should buy just the engine and an after market computer so you don't have to worry about these boost cuts and they are much beter for when you start modding the engine, which you will do eventually as we all do regardless of what you think now...that damn power bug will get you!!
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Wed, 19 February 2003 15:39
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Yeah i'm also doing research on aftermarket computers seeing as it is impossible to tell a gt4 computer to send all the power to the front wheels and a 3sge computer... well... "a Tur-what?"
Looking at Motec and Haltech atm. any other suggestions?
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Parramatta
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July 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Wed, 19 February 2003 22:05
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ems computer i have a 3sgte with 165kw at 12psi at the rear treads in an mr2... no shit if no one belives will post the dyno sheet....
so get EMS great system....
obvisly i have done a bit but not that much just high flow turbo....
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Thu, 20 February 2003 05:50
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mr.2 - what have you done to yours ?
i guess the mr2 would have better power delivery though than a GT4 - less transmission loss ..
Though i would be keen to hear more on the EMS system and other modifications
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Thu, 20 February 2003 11:11
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Dont you get the least drivetrain loss in a FWD? seeing as the power is fed directly to the driving axle?
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Thu, 20 February 2003 12:03
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approx 120kw @ wheels (fwd) with 3inch exhaust from cast dump back, and std boost and std jap ecu.
150kw @ wheels (fwd) with full 3-inch system turbo back, std jap ecu, pod filter, largish front mount intercooler, 14.5psi
And to anybody who says the std turbo is useless about 13-14psi is kidding themselves, the item is good upto around 18psi airflow wise =]
it just gets into its efficiency island at around 13psi, and believe me you get so much more mid range torque each psi after, from 14-15.5psi, there was a 12kw mid range gain and around 4kw top end (turbo isnt that efficient above 6000rpm)
Regards.
Michael
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Thu, 20 February 2003 12:15
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I thought so. thats enough to compete with most jap production cars. As long as you are good at launching a FWD 
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Parramatta
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July 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Thu, 20 February 2003 21:32
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agree with the turbo isnt too effecent after 6000 - 6500 rpm curve will drop off around then,
ems system what do u want to know, its the duel sport ignition and fuel, one other thing i did forget to mention was a intercooler as well as 3 inch exhast turbo back. as i said 165kw/rw its great.
i will post the dyno sheet when i get back home.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Thu, 20 February 2003 22:30
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The Gt4 im buying has a similar 3 inch turbo back system , but i am keen to see what actual PSI its using at fulll boost .. First thing after the necessary suspension work is a boost guage that actually shows figures - not like the stocko thing ..
im pretty sure 110 is a chievable - thugh id say aftermarket or assisted Ecu would be needed - and a to4 turbine swap for anything beyond 130 ish ..
Im still learning the turbo trade - so all info and advice is appreciated
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Brisbane
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January 2003
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 24 February 2003 04:00
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Yeah go the EMS. I have one as do 3 of my mates with 3sgte's in FWD Celicas. Mine is tuned to 186kw@wheels by APC up here in queensland. The dyno graph is at www.mark.boostcruising.com. I'm hoping for 200kw after i run this new engine in. Upgraded injectors and fuel system should make this easily achievable (i hope). I have had no trouble with the EMS and definately recommend it.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 24 February 2003 04:44
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THATS AN INSANE AMOUNT OF POWER FOR A FRONT WHEEL DRIVE ! 
This EMS system - out of curiousity - can someone specify pricerange , and info sites i can get a good rundown on this system ?
12 PSi from standard turbo im guessing ?? or have you upgraded it ? High flow using what turbine if thats the case ?
Intercooler swaps ? or standard top mount ?
* bear with me ! im still learning ! - and learning fast ! *
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Canberra
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October 2002
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Mon, 24 February 2003 11:02
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Who did your conversion CelicaTurbo? And who did that bonnet with the scoop? i'll be needing one of those
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Brisbane
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January 2003
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Re: Power output on ST185 GT4's 3S-GTE?
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Tue, 25 February 2003 15:07
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The EMS QI4/5 cost just under $1300 for the computer, the hand controller is around $250 and then you need an igniter. All up its around $1650 but if your tuner uses a laptop then you can get the Dual Sport for about $100 or so extra then you don't need the hand controller. Then you have to pay someone to wire it up for you which is usually around $500-$1000. Check their website for a dealer close to you so you can check exact prices.
www.fuel-injection.com
My turbo was reco'ed and hiflowed by Dynamic Turbochargers up here in brisbane for $850 and it is awesome. I run 22psi through it all the time and it has never let me down. I have a custom water-to-air intercooler and the inlet air temps are usually around 36-38 deg. You should get a front mount at least. The standard one sucks.
The conversion and bonnet scoop was done somewhere in sydney back in 1992. Unheard of back then! I have since done all of the work with help with the engine build from WM Motorsports at Brendale. I have done a few conversions myself for friends with the ems's, they are pretty staight forward and give excellent results.
The bonnet has a modified gt4 scoop with the standard gt4 vents.
Oh and you can never have enough POWER! Haha just got to get it to the ground!
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