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Adelaide
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January 2005
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Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Wed, 12 October 2005 03:05
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Hey im trying to work out how much it would cost to get an engineers certificate for a a 1977 celica it had an engine swap to a later model engine, would anyone know how much it might cost to make this legally roadworthy and so i can register it ok.
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Location:
Canberra
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June 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Wed, 12 October 2005 03:43
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All depends on what engine and what mods were done to fit it.
Need more info.
If it was an easy swap (not a lot of cutting and shutting so to speak) and the capacity, number of cylinders (weight and placement) and relative power specs remains the same then you may not need an Engineers approval to get through rego.
Regards
Rodger
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Location:
Penrith
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February 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Tue, 18 October 2005 11:10
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In NSW if you change the engine to one other than one that was an option for that specific make of vehicle and/or it increases the power of the vehicle by more than 15% then you need an engineer's certificate. The cost of the certificate should be the same weather there are heaps of mods or just a few.
If the engine was an optional fit for that model then the same brakes and suspension e.t.c will have to be fitted and then you don't need a certificate. For more info go to the RTA website and have a look around. It also lists all the engineers and contact details for them. You are better off talking to them before you do any mods just to be sure.
Cheers,
Kurt.
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Location:
syd- northen beaches
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June 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Tue, 18 October 2005 11:25
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from what i've gathered from the rta pdf files and similar threads there is no restriction on the power change but only the capacity of the engine.
if the capacity is increased by more than 15% the vehicle will require and engineers certificate.
eg i've been told that converting my ae82 from its 4age(86kw) to a 4age(100kw) will not require a certificate is it the same engine-4age, same capacity, just a later version.
please correct me if im wrong...
cheers 
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Location:
Adelaide
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June 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Tue, 18 October 2005 23:04
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Hey mate im doing my commodore conversion with a 1jz in it, and im in adelaide, go to and rego centre and ask for a green 'application to alter vehicle or trailer details' form. Fill it out with all the necessary details and send it in. They will then sned you back a "Statement of Requirements-vehicle modifications"
This will tell you exactly what they want done before you get it through regency. My Swap was from a 202efi to a 1jz-gte, they didnt want brake upgrade, engineers certificate, just a independant emissions test and standrad roadworthiness check. In mine they want everything on the motor to be pretty much bog stock, computer induction etc, and an unleaded fuel neck filler.
Hope that helps
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Location:
wollongong NSW
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August 2003
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Wed, 19 October 2005 00:32
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| Kurt.R wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 21:10 |
The cost of the certificate should be the same weather there are heaps of mods or just a few.
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not neccessarily, as the engineer has a bit more paper work to do, and also they have to ensure that if modification X is going to have any affect on the safety of modification Y
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Location:
Montrose, VIC
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May 2002
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Wed, 19 October 2005 01:13
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It also depends if the engineer likes you or not If he makes you come back 13 times, and charges you each time, obviously it's not gonna be cheap... No, he's not supposed to do that, but that doesn't stop some from trying!
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Wed, 19 October 2005 01:51
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| laaag wrote on Tue, 18 October 2005 21:25 |
from what i've gathered from the rta pdf files and similar threads there is no restriction on the power change but only the capacity of the engine.
if the capacity is increased by more than 15% the vehicle will require and engineers certificate.
eg i've been told that converting my ae82 from its 4age(86kw) to a 4age(100kw) will not require a certificate is it the same engine-4age, same capacity, just a later version.
please correct me if im wrong...
cheers
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dont take rta pdf's as gospell i know one person in particular that got his car engineered with an RTA authorised engineering signatory which he got from a pdf on the rta website. Engineer passed his car no worries but the rta wont honour his certificate b/c the engineer is being audited aparantly which they failed to update on their site
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Location:
Newcastle, Australia
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March 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Wed, 19 October 2005 02:33
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Which engineer? Was it Werner at Castle Hill?
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Location:
Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Wed, 19 October 2005 03:45
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i believe he was at kirawee or that area
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Location:
Sunshine Coast
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July 2004
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Location:
Penrith
Registered:
February 2005
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Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
June 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Thu, 20 October 2005 22:20
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green slips and the corresponding statement of requirements are free as well.
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Location:
Adelaide
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October 2002
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Fri, 21 October 2005 04:01
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In adelaide, budget between $1500 & $2500. And if the car's a piece of shit, you'll obviously encounter cost's there too.
Try Doug Potts in Goodwood (cheaper)
Or BC Tonkins.. (more professional) - http://www.tonkin.com.au/what_mae.asp
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Location:
Adelaide
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October 2002
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Fri, 21 October 2005 07:33
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Talk isn't free by the way. I work for a leading engineering firm in Adelaide and theres something called a consulting fee!
Last time i went to Doug Potts, He wasn't to keen on giving to much away until he signed you up for an engineers report. Probably about $100-$200 initially. Then he'll write out a request to Transport SA and they will notify him of the test's he need's to carry out according to the vehicle specs he's given. Emissions test is the scariest. Can cost in the vicinity of $3000k. *Supposedly* Mitsubishi is the only place that has the appropriate test equiptment in adelaide. Holding up production isn't cheap. Try to avoid running big turbo's + aftermarket computers. Just ask the engineer - He know's, not me.
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Location:
wollongong NSW
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August 2003
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Fri, 21 October 2005 08:20
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| Ribfeast wrote on Wed, 19 October 2005 12:33 |
Which engineer? Was it Werner at Castle Hill?
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i think wrener is getting audited because he was passing trucks that shouldnt have been. and just charging extra.
there was someone who got a quote of him last week $880 and that was just bagged, notched, and a couple of little things
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Fri, 21 October 2005 08:49
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Hi there,
Just a quick question, does anyone happen to know if i'll have any trouble with SArego for a swap from 18RC to 18RG in an RA23? It's NA with webers and extractors.
Cheers, Pomey!
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Location:
Adelaide
Registered:
June 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Fri, 21 October 2005 13:19
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all you need for an emission test is a 4 gas spectrum analyser. You can get it done at places like profix for $40, they all have the proper testing equipment, and your statement of requirements comes with the paperwork for them to fill out.
i dont think youd be getting many people doing anything if a emission test was 3000 fukin dollars
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Location:
Penrith
Registered:
February 2005
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Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Sun, 23 October 2005 09:24
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KE1500, In NSW an emissions test is done by the RTA and is FREE. I have done this twice for 2 separate cars that I had engineered.
I have no idea where your getting those figures from cause mine cost me about $400 each. This was 2 years ago and I know that the cost for engineering has gone but i'm sure that it hasn't gone up that much. The expensive tests that i think you are talking about is the noise induction test which is where you have do do a moving test in an open area e.t.c. and most engineers will hire a race track or similar which is why it costs so much. If an engineer wants to charge you for for asking a few questions then i would tell him to shove it.
Thats my 2c worth.
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Location:
Townsville North Qld
Registered:
June 2003
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 Re: Engineers Certificates for engine swap
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Mon, 24 October 2005 11:39
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Depends on how much of an ass the engineer is as to how much he will give away. We have a good engineer here in townsville, he will explain what the standards should be for your conversion, and then just charge for the inspection and any further consultations. yes, time is money, and engineers time is valuable, but business sense sez that you gotta give a little bit to make a bit. The advice they will give for free wont be specific detail, but it will be a good guide.
Thats my 2c... and ke1500, I too will be working for a major engineering consultancy firm as of jan 9... cant wait to end the university cycle 
Cheers, Owen
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