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Tassie
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 09:01
 
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I wonder if he'd be willing to part with just the engine and attached goodies. he can keep the ugly wheels, ok sound system and crappy vn body 
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tas
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June 2002
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 12:11
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and the superb handeling dynamics of a commodore 
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Coffs Harbour
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October 2004
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 12:27
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so ugly it makes baby jesus cry 
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May 2005
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 12:30
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or u could get an aristo and look 100x better
or a 1jz chaser/markii
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Melbourne
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September 2005
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 12:45
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i don't know to laugh or cry.
the effort and money it's taken is to be saluted, and the result applauded...
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Coffs Harbour
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October 2004
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tas
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June 2002
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 13:20
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Wash yer mouth out brick.
Sure any turd can be polished up and improved. But the VN i would have to say is the most un dymanic uncontrollable heap of metal i've been in. Once they lose traction it's hold on for dear life as they don't have predictable handeling.
Firt car crash i was in was my friends VN years ago when they were pretty new cars, ended up into a telegraph pole, came off a dip in the road at 60k's and the car was crumped to about half the size, cousin has a metal plate in his face from that adventure.
Second car crash, another friend buaght a VN about 4 years ago, just goin arounf a corner at the speed limit, car coming the opp direction was overstepping the line, so avoided him, but lost control car did a 360 spin and ended up the side of a hill. no serious injury but car is a write off.
3rd crash was a lexcen, i wasn't in it luckily, the driver was a fuckhead that stole my PC so sucked in he crashed, but yeah wrote that off which i new would happen.
Lets just say stock they are dangerous cars, good drivers makes a diff for sure.
Also i can tell you now the 200KG heavier JZA80 is superiour in handeling (and everything else except insurance)
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Perth, WA
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December 2004
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 13:54
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a 4 door shoepra is a cressida.
JZX81 front cut, bolts straight in, 2JZ needs a little bit of modding to go in from there
Eldar.O.
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July 2005
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 15:55
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why dont you buy a jzx90 and do it up for that kind of money?
i dont get it 
and im going to agree with the woeful commodore handling...feels like ya trying to steer a log of wood.
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Ballarat, Victoria
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March 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 23:40
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wouldn't the supra have a weight advantage over the VN? jza80s only weigh around 1450kg don't they?
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Sun, 23 October 2005 23:46
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| Evil_Foetus wrote on Mon, 24 October 2005 09:40 |
wouldn't the supra have a weight advantage over the VN? jza80s only weigh around 1450kg don't they?
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and VN's only wiegh 1310-1350kg for a basic one.
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Perth
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October 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 00:43
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They do handle good cause they have "RTS" 
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 03:23
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Mon, 24 October 2005 09:46 |
| Evil_Foetus wrote on Mon, 24 October 2005 09:40 |
wouldn't the supra have a weight advantage over the VN? jza80s only weigh around 1450kg don't they?
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and VN's only wiegh 1310-1350kg for a basic one.
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And 1450kg is for the N/A. The Turbo model is 1510kg I think (def over 1.5 tons, but a touch lighter than a JZA70).
I've never been in a VN, but I've been in a VX Commodore, and that thing is horrid. I don't think a set of shocks and dampers would fix the supension dynamics on one of those. Soft ride though. Could almost fall asleap behind the wheel of that thing (especialy with crapomatic transmisions and power steering that's wound up so high you have zero feedback from the road)
The Supra SZ I took for a spin was SO much nicer, and it was in questionable condition too.
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 03:26
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goddamn there are some morons on boostcruising...
and that VN looks like shit...nice engine tho
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 03:31
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Steering rack and feedback was slowly fixed on the commodores from VY onwards, you say the ride soft then say springs and shocks wouldn't fix it they'd go a long way to improving it though (throw in some sway bars, strut braces factory fitment from VY Series 2). The commodores are very reliant on mechanical grip and lean (stock suspension) very hard on the outside front when cornering, they can be pretty damn quick but don't necessarily inspire the confidence to drive hard.
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 03:33
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| Quote: Rona Racing Team |
Steering rack and feedback was slowly fixed on the commodores from VY onwards, you say the ride soft then say springs and shocks wouldn't fix it they'd go a long way to improving it though (throw in some sway bars, strut braces factory fitment from VY Series 2). The commodores are very reliant on mechanical grip and lean (stock suspension) very hard on the outside front when cornering, they can be pretty damn quick but don't necessarily inspire the confidence to drive hard.
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Great review there Rona, good to have someone so knowledgable and well driven on the forums 
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 03:35
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Mon, 24 October 2005 13:31 |
Steering rack and feedback was slowly fixed on the commodores from VY onwards, you say the ride soft then say springs and shocks wouldn't fix it they'd go a long way to improving it though (throw in some sway bars, strut braces factory fitment from VY Series 2). The commodores are very reliant on mechanical grip and lean (stock suspension) very hard on the outside front when cornering, they can be pretty damn quick but don't necessarily inspire the confidence to drive hard.
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Shocks and dampers would go a long way to fixing it, but there's something about it that I can't put my finger on that screams "I WILL NEVER HANDLE WELL!". But who knows, I could be wrong. All I know is the Supra SZ also felt fairly soft, but responded a lot better and yeah, it inspired quick cornering.
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 03:44
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| Rona's Final Thought |
Steering rack and feedback was slowly fixed on the commodores from VY onwards, you say the ride soft then say springs and shocks wouldn't fix it they'd go a long way to improving it though (throw in some sway bars, strut braces factory fitment from VY Series 2). The commodores are very reliant on mechanical grip and lean (stock suspension) very hard on the outside front when cornering, they can be pretty damn quick but don't necessarily inspire the confidence to drive hard.
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well I can certainly sleep a lot easier now thanks to "rona's final thought"
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Adelaide
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September 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 04:04
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I found from my brief experiences in the mighty H.M.A.S. VN that pirates like to attack the Captain and they rip fullah hektikz single spinnahz
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 05:15
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mmm, wat if they slapped it with lexen badges 
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Tassie
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October 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 06:39
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maybe its the geometry of the suspension that makes it handle badly ?
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 08:08
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| rthy wrote on Mon, 24 October 2005 15:15 |
mmm, wat if they slapped it with lexen badges
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Then its good
Just kidding, what were toyota thinking!
Glad to hear i'm not the only one that dislikes VN handeling.
Corona RT142: your post further up explains alot about why the VN was so bad!
I'm not totally bagging out the VN, they do have abit of poke.
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Hobart, Tas
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May 2002
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Mon, 24 October 2005 15:02
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I agreee that VNs *suck*. I used to drive one for work. Apart from the engine (wont go there; not relevant to this thread) and the zero-feedback featherlight steering, it handled like a boat (bad, bad geometry) and the build quality was horrible.
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Tue, 25 October 2005 00:50
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| Stefan wrote on Tue, 25 October 2005 01:02 |
I agreee that VNs *suck*. I used to drive one for work. Apart from the engine (wont go there; not relevant to this thread) and the zero-feedback featherlight steering, it handled like a boat (bad, bad geometry) and the build quality was horrible.
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Apparently Toyota actualy complained about the build quality to Holden when they did the Lexen thing.
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Sydney
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January 2004
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Tue, 25 October 2005 01:41
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im not saying that the 2jz commo this thread is about is a decent car. I agree it looks like shit. I am only putting my opinions about VN's which relates to the one my dad owned and modified. It was not a bad car. One of my friends brothers has a vn wagon and that is a scary piece of crap.
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Tue, 25 October 2005 05:32
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| Benjamin wrote on Tue, 25 October 2005 11:41 |
im not saying that the 2jz commo this thread is about is a decent car. I agree it looks like shit. I am only putting my opinions about VN's which relates to the one my dad owned and modified. It was not a bad car. One of my friends brothers has a vn wagon and that is a scary piece of crap.
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Fair enough.
But it's still not a great base to work off. Spend that money on a Supra getting it to handle well and you'll have a much better car. However the inital purchase of a Supra is a lot more, but I degress.
I just don't like Commodores (appart from VLs, but even then).
Compare a decent JZA70 to your dad's VN though. I think you'll find the Supra blows the Commodore away.
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Tue, 25 October 2005 05:47
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If you need to cart 2 kids, the wife and 8 bags of shopping around while racing every Tom, Dick and Harry then get the Commodore with the JayZee.
If you want some class, are prepared to eat out and have a nanny pick the kids up from school, get the JZA80
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Tue, 25 October 2005 05:50
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| Shraka wrote on Tue, 25 October 2005 15:32 |
Compare a decent JZA70 to your dad's VN though. I think you'll find the Supra blows the Commodore away.
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Key word, otherwise its a boat race.
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I supported Toymods
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Adelaide
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July 2004
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Re: All the power of a supra but with the practicality of a 4 door
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Tue, 25 October 2005 05:51
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Tue, 25 October 2005 15:20 |
| Shraka wrote on Tue, 25 October 2005 15:32 |
Compare a decent JZA70 to your dad's VN though. I think you'll find the Supra blows the Commodore away.
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Key word, otherwise its a boat race.
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damn straight
chuck the rona in the mix and they would never have a chance...
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