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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Wed, 26 October 2005 10:01
 
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| FLYNSX wrote on Wed, 26 October 2005 18:31 |
Shoot Pin Rods
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eh? 
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April 2004
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Wed, 26 October 2005 10:12
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i think he means 'Shot Peened'
tough buildup.
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Banned by his request
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Wed, 26 October 2005 10:20
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you do know arias pistons are at the bottom of the forged pistons? youll be tempting fate with them and standard rods at 9000rpm and 25psi.there is no point reving it to 9000rpm when you have 25psi and as its not a track car there isnt any point as its fwd?i hope its oringed and has a reciever and copper gasket as you will be pushing a shim gasket.to run 9000rpm and 25psi and keep it alive you really need to do the engine properly.
mick
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Wed, 26 October 2005 11:21
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lol iam sorry and here i was thinking that it was a proper rebuild  i done my research into the motor and shoot peening the rods is just as good as forged rods forged rods are $1700 my price shoot peening cost me about 5th of that. There is a MR2 out there shoot peened rods running 25psi and he is running in the 9sec quarter mile. As for bottom of the market arias pistons i think the standard ze ones would be lower then the arias. Look at joel on this forum with his 4agte celica standard bottom end on 25psi easy.  . Ill take my chances with the rebuild iam sure it will hold up fine
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Wed, 26 October 2005 11:28
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shot peen... peened by "shot"... 
looks purdy
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Wed, 26 October 2005 12:17
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but you put the engine in around the wrong way 
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I supported Toymods
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Sutho/Hills NSW
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September 2002
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Wed, 26 October 2005 12:46
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dont worry im sure it wont be long till we see more pics of the engine out...jokes dan
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Arthurs Creek, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Wed, 26 October 2005 23:32
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Why you putting a 4age in an NSX
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Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 00:48
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| stradlater wrote on Thu, 27 October 2005 09:02 |
Why you putting a 4age in an NSX
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Dude it's not a FLY NSX, it's a FLYN SX!!
Are you going to give it a shot of NOS as well? 
Where did you get the plenum design from? It looks HUGE!
Good luck with the new engine. 
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Sydney
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 02:27
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2005 10:59 |
9000 rpm? on 270's? and no porting?
plus i didnt see any listing of new retainers or SUB... *ping*
as for doing your research and finidng that shoot pinning rods are just as good as forged rods (are the stock rods cast??) i suggest you go to a different library
good luck - we'll wait and see if you can blow the bonnet of the car agin with this one...
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the head is fully ported and polished from b4
there is a mr2 out there on standard big port rods shoot peen running 25psi everyday and he is doing 9sec quarter mile runs as for the 9000rpm at the end of the day its up to Dav Flood who is tuning the car to decide were to set rev limter 9000 would be nice but I will leave it up to him.
UM and also i never blew the bonnet off the car either typical roumours as usual First time rebuilding motor from ground up sure it will be fine. I trust Brads judgement.
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Melbourne, Australia
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March 2005
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 02:49
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Doesn't it make more sense to set your rev limit considering the max. piston speed acceptable for the metallurgical qualities of your given bottom end configuration, rather than just letting the tuner have his way with it?
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Melbourne, Australia
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March 2005
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 02:56
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please... shot peen.... to peen/pein with "SHOT"
think ballpein hammer... but using metal "shot" instead of the hammer  .. ie like buckSHOT... small metal balls that used to be shot from a gun.... and they pein/peen the surface....
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 02:57
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Any reason why you quoted the first post. As for the engine looks good but 9000rpm and 25psi on a FWD street/show car. Can anyone say dyno queen .
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western sydney
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February 2005
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 04:53
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hey best of luck with the tunning/ running in ect. this is the turbo that im thinking of useing for my build let us know how the turbo mates up with the combo u have.ie lag ect. as ive been doing research into all aspecs of my build, have you worked out your duty cycle on your injectors @25psi. ive seen your running 550cc.
best of luck with it tho
cheers ben
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Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 07:31
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2005 12:57 |
Any reason why you quoted the first post. As for the engine looks good but 9000rpm and 25psi on a FWD street/show car. Can anyone say dyno queen .
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Does that really bother/affect you? Its going to be a weekend car and also used for cruises
Septembersquall: Brad does know his stuff, so i'd trust him alot more than any other workshop who claim they do 'great' work
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Banned by his request
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 07:51
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| dimmy77_03 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2005 17:31 |
| Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 27 October 2005 12:57 |
Any reason why you quoted the first post. As for the engine looks good but 9000rpm and 25psi on a FWD street/show car. Can anyone say dyno queen .
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Septembersquall: Brad does know his stuff, so i'd trust him alot more than any other workshop who claim they do 'great' work
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really!well i cant tell you how stupid that sounds!so you telling us race guys that the a million dollars plus worth of equipment that we should all send our big dollar engines over to brad{this isnt aimed at brad!}.
mick
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 08:02
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| FLYNSX wrote on Wed, 26 October 2005 21:21 |
lol iam sorry and here i was thinking that it was a proper rebuild i done my research into the motor and shoot peening the rods is just as good as forged rods forged rods are $1700 my price shoot peening cost me about 5th of that. There is a MR2 out there shoot peened rods running 25psi and he is running in the 9sec quarter mile. As for bottom of the market arias pistons i think the standard ze ones would be lower then the arias. Look at joel on this forum with his 4agte celica standard bottom end on 25psi easy. . Ill take my chances with the rebuild iam sure it will hold up fine
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who the hell told you a standard rod was as good as a forged h-beam rod?they are having you on big time flyn.they are no were near as strong.flyn i think its great you going to push the envelope but a good 4ag caost around the $10 000 mark and thats to me so you would add 20% plus to people in the trade and then more for retail.dont expect many km's at 25psi and 9000rpm with your setup.i speak from experience not from what i have read.as i always tell people i do high output engines"its all about compromise".
mick
p.s good luck and i want it to go hard and fast.
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Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 08:16
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| kingmick wrote on Thu, 27 October 2005 17:51 |
really!well i cant tell you how stupid that sounds!so you telling us race guys that the a million dollars plus worth of equipment that we should all send our big dollar engines over to brad{this isnt aimed at brad!}.
mick
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Well i can tell you i've known many people who've paid alot of $$$ to workshops only to have a 2nd rate job done on the engine, so i'd be VERY cautious about trusting any workshop.
Brad is a trusted mate who does know his stuff...
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 10:12
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i believe it was"any other workshop who claim they do good work"
if you cant see how stupid that is,well i cant help you.never seen a workshop that claims they do average or crap work.so what you are saying is that every workshop in the world besides brad's is crap!
mick
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 12:19
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exactly whats the point of doing a ground up rebuild with a 9000rpm rev limit in mind and not replacing the rods with aftermarket forged ones dosent make any sense that you skimp on $1500-2000 only to find that not too long in the distance future that the rod wants to leave the block spraying oil all over that pritty blue engine bay
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 13:34
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For last time what have I been saying, I have the big port rods in my car.From the research I have done and mods other ppl have done and also from Brads experience there is not need to spend shit load of money on forged rods when shoot peen rods will do the job just as good for about the 5th of the price of forged rods. As for 9000rpm like i said at the end of the day be up to the tuner if he thinks i should take it to 9000rpms and he thinks it is save then i will if not then i wont.
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Lost in the K hole
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May 2002
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 13:38
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yup, price is the only difference in them thar rods...
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 13:42
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hey guys alot of experienced ppl here have given their opinions on the rods....lets give it time for this car to go.if it doesnt break then good.if it does then im sure the 'i told u so' will so firing in.time will tell
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 14:00
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next thursday it gets tuned results be up thursday nite
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 14:09
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it's not as simple as that..
rods usually fail by fatigue (or by rod bolts, but lets ass-u-me rods)...
fatigue is related to magnitude and cycles of loading
load is pretty much proportional to the square of the rpm. double rpm = 4 times load
all rods have a fatigue load limit, above which, any higher load will continue to get the rods closer to failure.
so above a certain rpm, every rod will fail, but that rpm is different for each rod.
the number of cycles to failure is also different..
so with high revving motors.. it's not a matter of _will_ it fail.. but _when_ more revs x time = sooner failure...
"it may not happen overnight, but it will happen :P"
so while it may survive the tune at 9000rpm, how many minutes or hours of 9000rpm will it tolerate before it pops?
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 14:27
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hmmm that is so true
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Thu, 27 October 2005 14:48
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| FLYNSX wrote on Fri, 28 October 2005 00:27 |
hmmm that is so true
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whatever happens... it's a data point
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Mon, 07 November 2005 13:09
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what more can i say
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Melbourne, Australia
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March 2005
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Mon, 07 November 2005 13:39
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Can we see the rest of the graph?
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Baulkham Hills, Sydney
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September 2004
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX
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Mon, 07 November 2005 14:03
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this was taken with my phone.
congrats dan. and theres more power to come as of yet. the bloke said he doesnt wanna push it passed 22 psi in fear of the ecu sparking up or something. If dan gets a CDI unit the guy thinks he can take it beyond 30 psi and beyond 250 kw.
heres a shot i got off my phone of the full dyno sheet.
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 00:45
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nothing against a shot peened rod, but myself i would've forked out for the forged H-beams.
Why?
- In most cases they are lighter than their factory counterpart
- They typically have a greater fatigue load limit, as Oldorollas said - so whilst the shot peened right might handle the power/rpm... it wont handle it as long as the forged h-beamer will
- When you add up your ARP rod bolts and other bits to your shot-peened standard rod, the cost difference isnt that great
- Engineering "HEAD ROOM" (you older guys know what i mean)
Nevertheless... that is an impressive power figure, and i hope to see it matched with an impressive 1/4 mile.
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 01:56
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i still got more power to go as well get the cdi unit run more boost the engine still running abit rich
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 03:11
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Dan, very nice...im impressed
you coming to the toymods drag night tomorrow?
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Toronto, Downtown
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September 2004
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 03:20
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i noticed that max power was at less than 9000 rpm
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Lost in the K hole
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 05:37
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Excellent work mate,not really my cup of tea car wise but you cant argue with that type of power output.Well done!
Give the bloke a break about the rods,im sure with the amount of money he has spent he wasnt going to risk it over a measley 1700 bucks.
i want know how your going to keep the thing in a straight line with that much power/torque
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Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 05:43
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I think there's wheelspin through every gear right dan
Definitely need wider tyres and LSD
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 06:12
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| riceburna73 wrote on Tue, 08 November 2005 16:37 |
Excellent work mate,not really my cup of tea car wise but you cant argue with that type of power output.Well done!
Give the bloke a break about the rods,im sure with the amount of money he has spent he wasnt going to risk it over a measley 1700 bucks.
i want know how your going to keep the thing in a straight line with that much power/torque
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thats right i wouldnt have risked it for the sake trying to save $1700 i know the rods in it will be fine.
I got a lsd gear box for it going to get rebuilt and get all the gears frozen and strengthen
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 06:31
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Nice power figure
Any idea though why it appears that the tuner backed off at relatively low RPM's before max power had been reached? Would have been interesting to see how the porting & big cams affected its ability to hold power past 7k.
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neverland
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September 2002
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 07:30
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congrates dan good to see a print out like that mate, just gotta get the cdi unit and close the spark plug gap about .02mm to stop the spark from blowing out so then you can run that lil bit more boost and even throwing in a set of those bosch 4 pronged plugs in it...
king mick you seem very knowledgable but mate not payin out on you or anything but the copper head gaskets are being taken over by the metal ones something chronic in the turbo scene as far as i have noticed.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 08:14
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| dimmy77_03 wrote on Tue, 08 November 2005 16:43 |
I think there's wheelspin through every gear right dan
Definitely need wider tyres and LSD
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that makes me wonder....
what is the maximum acceleration from a FWD...
with all this power you get a lot of weight transfer to the rear...
more power to ground = more acceleration = more weight transfer = less traction = less power to ground
so where is the limit beyond which you cannot put power to ground? are we talking 200kw? or 300kw?
any ideas??
anyonme know the CG of a rolla?
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 09:34
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i wonder how long the C-series box and its puny CV shafts are going to last with that much power?
Might i recommend an E58 lsd box
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sunny coast, qld
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October 2002
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Tue, 08 November 2005 23:43
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Old Corollas: he needs some super stiff suspension to reduce weight transfer and some wheelie bars that are setup stiff also. That is how the FWD's seem to hookup when they are making some power. And the most important thing is slicks. I have seen a fair few FWD cars running high 13's at 120 mph
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Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Wed, 09 November 2005 00:10
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Im not sure of dan's suspension setup, but i think it is stiff as all hell, full koni adjustables, not sure if there are coilovers
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Wed, 09 November 2005 01:03
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man what a bitch fest! how many people wanna hack on him!
so he has said a comment that aint true here and there lets burn him at the stake!!!
well done dude
horses for courses
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Sydney
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May 2003
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Re: Blue Print Project FLYNSX 229.5kws at 22.8psi
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Wed, 09 November 2005 07:00
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cheers craig i know some ppl appriciate the work that i have done and all the dramas i have gone through but at long last it has finally payed off. Yes i got full koni adjustable hight and dampner control shocks and coil over kit going to buy some road semi slicks and see how i go.
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