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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Wed, 26 October 2005 13:30
 
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can't see why it woudln't work.. it's just a tube.
I'd imagine it'd be a REAL shit to weld with tho
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Re: intercooler piping
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Wed, 26 October 2005 14:44
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make sure you treat it for rust.
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sydney
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 27 October 2005 00:30
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OK, I can't make much sense of the post directly above. However you have to be 100% sure your IC piping has no leaks. If it does then you will get a high idle and loose boost (obviously). Also if it is an AFM model then your mixtures will be all stuffed up.
As for SC overheating, I have never heard or experienced anything of the sort due to bad piping.
2" pipework is fine. The ZE throttle is only 2", as are the cast SC outlet pipe and intake manifold entry.
Don't worry about rust, the insides of the pipes get coated in oil from the cam breather. And the outside doesn't matter (though it would look a bit crap all rusted)
Give it a go, as Draven said, it'll probably be a bitch to weld, and keep your silicon (or radiator hose) joins as short as possible to prevent them getting sucked in.
Hen
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Melbourne
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 27 October 2005 08:51
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Yeah ya could but like mentioned above it'll flex like a mofo, i assume causing lag(? correct if wrong?). I've seen silicon piping for IC piping, donno how good it'd be tho!
Most muffler joints only do crush bending (not shit hot but it'll do), and most wont do bigger then 2 odd inch...
*Insert shameless plug* but why bother when you can buy my 2 odd inch IC piping from my JZA70 setup?! comes with silicon hoesing and all!  
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 27 October 2005 09:18
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ps: if you need to be this dodgy with your IC piping, maybe you should consider a new hobby.. or at least shelving your turbo/IC plans until you have enough money do at least do a half-arsed job, if not a proper one
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May 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 27 October 2005 12:31
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*cough* PVC!!
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sydney
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March 2005
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 27 October 2005 12:41
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draven , i know its dodgey but like i said it doesnt bother me mate , as long as it does the job in the long run , i dont wanna go out and pay for custom fabrication etc , all i am asking is that is it possible to use radiator hose 2inch think bend and silcon hose clamp it the way i wont it ?
why is it that radiator hose is not any good ? its cheap , maneuverable and it will seal with no leaks with piping same size to help it clamp ?.
Do you know of anyone that has done this ?
just curious thats all.
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sydney
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 27 October 2005 12:44
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will pressure in the intercooler just bust them or will it be satisfactery
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July 2005
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 27 October 2005 13:12
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good clamps or bead the metal so it clamps better.
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May 2002
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 27 October 2005 23:51
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The radiator hose would be OK under pressure, but, it will collapse under a vacuum (which you get in a ZE).
Not a good thing.
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sydney
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March 2005
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Re: intercooler piping
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Fri, 28 October 2005 04:18
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ok thanks for replying , i seen radiator hoses 2inch wide at super cheap , but anyway i am gonna make up a pvc piping of the route i need and ask a place for a quote on the length and bending of it.
see how that goes , or i mite just do what you done with the hoses 90 degree and 45 degree bends
where did you buy them from?
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: intercooler piping
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Fri, 28 October 2005 04:20
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invest into the steel or metal piping
save u problems in the long run
most exhaust shops can make em for you, im about to get a quote for mine to look more... stock
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I Supported Toymods
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perth
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September 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Fri, 28 October 2005 06:51
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Hey man, love your style...radiator hose.
Ive been waiting to mount my 600x300x76 FMIC for over 2 months cause i cant afford the time and cash to weld and fit metal pipework. Fuck it, im going to try radiator hose...sue me..haha
Come to mention it, I have a mate running radiator hose on his TX3 turbo, admittedly this should be easier due to no vacuum sucking hose shut but never know till we try 
-daniel-
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sydney
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March 2005
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Re: intercooler piping
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Sat, 29 October 2005 02:15
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good luck
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Melbourne - NthSubs
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January 2004
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Re: intercooler piping
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Sat, 29 October 2005 02:36
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how much did u get quoted? for? $200?
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I Supported Toymods
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perth
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September 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Sat, 29 October 2005 17:28
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--- Update ---
Mounted 600x300x76 FMIC today behind the front bumper...sleeper. This is possible with intercooler of this size in ae92/93 if:
-ripped out aircon
-grind a corner off each of the front bumper backets that hold the 2 mounts which attach bumper to chassis
-shave a bit off the back of the plastic grills on bumper
-remove metal bracket that braces bonnet locking mechanism from below. (this has caused great difficulty in getting bonnet to lock shut due to increased flex - fixing 2morrow)
--- Notes ---
The thing is huge, has added 10 degrees celcius to water temp, will see how this holds up.
--- Piping ---
Picking up PVC parts and radiator hoses 2morrow, going to pipe between each front headlight and front bumper mounts. Just enough room for 2" pipe.
Ah the functional bodge
-daniel-
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NSW
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July 2004
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Re: intercooler piping
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Sun, 30 October 2005 11:27
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i have a front mount in my ae82 and thats polished metal!! and when off boost my 90 degree bends suck inn due 2 vacaum and there the top quality 90degree bends so i wouldnt reckonment useing radiator hose
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sydney
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March 2005
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Re: intercooler piping
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Mon, 31 October 2005 07:06
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arr thats gun helped alot...
daniel good luck man tell me how it goes mate very interested.
with the pvc i was jsut gonna use it as a guideline to get to a exhaust place to bend it to the exact pvc display
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brisvegas
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August 2004
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Re: intercooler piping
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Mon, 31 October 2005 07:29
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with all you guys saying how expensive it is to get I/C piping made up by a pro..where the hell are you going!? my setup i used to have would cost around $400-500.. all stainless..all mandril bends..made up by Extreme Engineering and that wasn't really a discount price either.. (don't have to worry about rust) and i sold it to Chooney-AE86..thats all silicone, all hose clamps..fitted drive in drive out..what are you guys getting quoted?
those welds arn't linished either..pulse TIG welds..ohh yeh..thats why i now work with this guy best fabricator i know..
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Rosanna, Melb
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June 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Mon, 31 October 2005 12:55
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The main things to remember with ZE IC piping is that it is usually under vacuum. So any long flexible sections, or elbows for that matter, will collapse. This could cause dodgy idling or stalling.
Radiator hosing is usually rated to around 10bar and 200deg C, so I think it is fine to use to join IC pipes. It's just not as thin, flexible or expensive as silicon hosing.
Hen
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Sydney
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April 2004
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Re: intercooler piping
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Mon, 31 October 2005 13:08
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Im not having a go but I dont get it when people who know how to weld dont do this shit themselves.
If you are worried about costs only buy the bends from a metal place and just drop through some hand rail/metal febrication places to scab some of the straights etc,lining all the bends up properly is apiece of piss and then just get the silicone hose reducers off ebay..
Trust me if I can do it any fuck can 
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I Supported Toymods
Location:
perth
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September 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Mon, 31 October 2005 15:51
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Dude, thats awesome pipework for the price and thanks for the pic (looks mean), but $400 is way out of my price range and im sure its out of pkt-rkt's too.
--- cost for my entire FMIC setup so far ---
1. 600x300x76mm aluminum intercooler : $100 + 100kw 4age ecu + 100kw MAP sensor
2. 2m of grade 18 PVC, various 45 / 90 degree grade 18 bends, pvc cement : $70
3. 2.5", 2" hose clamps : $12
4. 4x 2.5" silicon hose joins : free off mate
TOTAL : $182
beat that 
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: intercooler piping
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Mon, 31 October 2005 16:02
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another $100 and matching up bends yourself and you could have stainless and silicon and no PVC 
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I Supported Toymods
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perth
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September 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Mon, 31 October 2005 16:19
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But what if one day I was in a remote location and we needed to construct a make-shift reticulation system?
We'd have the PVC! 
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: intercooler piping
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Mon, 31 October 2005 16:28
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| bayka wrote on Tue, 01 November 2005 03:19 |
But what if one day I was in a remote location and we needed to construct a make-shift reticulation system?
We'd have the PVC!
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LOL touche
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Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Tue, 01 November 2005 00:53
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~$200 3" manderal bent ALUMINUM with silicon... beat that
More when i get a proper reducer tho
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sydney
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March 2005
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Re: intercooler piping
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Tue, 01 November 2005 08:41
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good luck mate with the pvc , i am gonna hold off piping my intercooler now ,me thinks i better fix the injector leaking near spark plugs 
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I Supported Toymods
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perth
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September 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Wed, 02 November 2005 14:36
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--- OPERATION PVC: STATUS UPDATE ---
Material : PVC grade 18 , joins and pipe
FMIC : 600x300x76 aluminium
System was piped up sealed properly and embarked on maiden voyage this evening. Inlet and outlet pipes from SC were 90 degree metal, silicon clamped to the rest of the pvc intercooler system.
Man after this, im ready to put a toilet in...
After 30seconds of initial idle quavering the ecu appeared to adjust to the vastly increased low pressure zone before intake and started idling properly.
So far no heat issues on the hot side, the intake pipes will not heat up more than room temperature, difference is phenomenal.
POWER GAIN : Estimated 20-30% increase in performance. Switched off SC for first run and WITHOUT SC the car drives comparably to an 88kw 4age!!! Fuck i cant wait till morning.
--- Pics Coming Tomorrow ---
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I Supported Toymods
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perth
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September 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Thu, 03 November 2005 10:22
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pics arrived>
check "PVC intercooler piping for 4AGZE ae92/93 *recipe & pics!*" post in tech&conversions
-daniel-
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Location:
Oakleigh, Melbourne
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: intercooler piping
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Sat, 05 November 2005 15:41
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PVC 
Hemi_twofifteen_turbo uses that on his old school chrysler centura.
-Jay
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Location:
Carlingford, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: intercooler piping
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Sat, 05 November 2005 21:24
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my intercooler piping is just mild steel
360deg dounuts are less than $30... all up mine cost well under $100 once welded and painted
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