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7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Mon, 14 November 2005 10:52
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Hey guys, Im still looking for a *a70 Supra, was set on a 1j powered one, but the 7M models seem cheaper, and would be cheaper to insure too. I know next to nothing about the 7M, but what power does it produce? Does it have more torque than the 1J? Which car, stock for stock is quicker? JZA70 or MA70?
Cheers
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Mon, 14 November 2005 11:50
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Oooh shit... you didn't... you didn't just go and ask about 7M vs. 1JZ did you? Why not just HAND OUT FREEKING GUNS TO ANGRY MOBS HUH!?
Seriously, this is gonna turn into a shit fight... now on to the helpfull part of my post.
7M-GTE makes 174kw and 339nm stock
1JZ-GTE makes 206kw and 361nm stock
7M has problems with the head gasket. Get a new one and re-torque it down tight (ignore factory settings).
1JZ has flimsy explody type turbos. Replace them.
Some say the 7M has better torque delivery due to it's extra 500ccs. I'm not convinced.
The 1JZ is a newer motor, and is the baby brother to the mighty 2JZ-GTE. IMHO the 1JZ is better.
Didn't you used to own a IS200 with a 2JZ-GTE in it? why are you going BACKWARDS to a JZA70/MA71?
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:01
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:05
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:10
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hehehe, i knew this wouldnt be a good thing!
What turbo does the 7M run? CT20?
I still have the IS200, but it has a 1J in it. Want to save some money, buy buying a 30k cheaper car lol. Thanks for that.
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:12
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 23:10 |
hehehe, i knew this wouldnt be a good thing!
What turbo does the 7M run? CT20?
I still have the IS200, but it has a 1J in it. Want to save some money, buy buying a 30k cheaper car lol. Thanks for that.
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Umm, save all the arguments and get a Supra RZ 6 Speed. You can get 'em for like, $25,000 or less if you look hard.
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:15
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haha, I love them, but I have had one, and they are too popular now!
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:28
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 23:15 |
haha, I love them, but I have had one, and they are too popular now!
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You lucky bastard. Come here so I can stab you a bit. 
The JZA80 is gonna be the fastest out of the lot. Perhaps get a GA70 / N/A MA70 and put a 2JZ-GTE in it? That'd be kinda fun. But then, the JZA80 will still be better. 1UZ-FTE? lol.
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Mon, 14 November 2005 23:26
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Yep i agree with ed. And i'm not biased i'm going 1jz this week.
The 7m torque is much better for cruising and off boost too. Headgasket isn't an issue if you do your homework.
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Tue, 15 November 2005 04:43
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Forget about teh p00 motor , just get a jza70.
what have i done 
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Tue, 15 November 2005 06:34
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Well I've owned both a slightly modified 2J & 7M. Without that low-spooling turbo the 2J has, the 7M poops all over it low down. Up top the 2J poops all over the 7M. Reliability the 2J poops all over everything.
Poop is a cool word.
Comparing the 1J and 7M: The 7M REALLY pwns the 1J down low. You just need to watch the whole exploding head gasket thing. 7M's also get real grumpy if you try and rev them, whereas the 1J sounds more than happy at 6 grand plus.
It all depends on your driving style. If you're like me and drive like a geriatric during a light rain shower, you'll want the 7M. Much better on-tap power at low revs. If you drive more like Norbs, Ed, Stitt, Drav, and well... just about every other toymodder, and are not in the slightest shy about using your rev-limiter and a shift indicator, then I'd be going for the 1J.
And the 7M turbo - it's a CT26.
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Tue, 15 November 2005 08:31
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I dunno for a stroked engine i think the 7m engine revs fuckin nicely. Was revving the guts out of the boses commodore today (he wasn't in the car) what a luagh that was, how fuckin harsh do those ecotecs get around 5,000 rpm!
7m is a beuatifully smooth motor in comparison and quite a high redline for a stroked motor.
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Tue, 15 November 2005 09:13
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ok, from doing research on the net, lets compare the Turbo A Motor to the 1J, seems like it has more power? More torque?
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Tue, 15 November 2005 15:51
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guy over here 1jz came from a cut that said 175k kms
he dynoed 286hp at rears
has cooler, exhaust and boost though an auto
ROss
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Tue, 15 November 2005 19:51
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hmmm yeah a new cooler would be nice compared to the flat stacked coke cans
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Tue, 15 November 2005 22:38
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| Allan wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 23:06 |
Mod's include:
engine geting towards 200,000 HARD km's
runs on mobil 8000 and 4ltrs of oil each week
3 inch exhaust
1UZ-FE afm and higher fuel pressure
stock turbo
anyone with a 200,000km old 1jz-gte care to compare?
a 7m with some rings would be pushing 180rwkw in the same config..
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mine has done 194000 k's and runs consistant ten second passes and makes 470rwhp, has done for the last 20000k's i have had this engine since it came from the half cut with 94000k's on it, and people that know me know this engine has copped a canning ever since it went into the cressida.
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Tue, 15 November 2005 22:52
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| Shraka wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 10:13 |
You'll note Allan made some pretty massive power as he's modded his a bit. The other two are stock.
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Yeah about the same massive power my dead stock (including stock toyota air filter/boost/cooler/stock ma70 NA cat etc) 1jz made when it was pushing around 150,000kms  . Although it didn't use oil like fury and wasn't shagged like my old 7m was
Off boost the 7m feels torquier and you do notice a bit of a difference between it and a 1jz when the air-con is on and you're pulling away slowly from the lights. The age of the 7m is against it though.
A 2jz is the best option. Or perhaps the 1fz-fe from sean's crown. 
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Tue, 15 November 2005 23:18
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| Allan wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 23:06 |
Mod's include:
engine geting towards 200,000 HARD km's
runs on mobil 8000 and 4ltrs of oil each week
3 inch exhaust
1UZ-FE afm and higher fuel pressure
stock turbo
anyone with a 200,000km old 1jz-gte care to compare?
a 7m with some rings would be pushing 180rwkw in the same config..
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You can really see the exhaust upgrade there. I'd say that'd be what makes most of your extra power. It really frees up the top end. Down low though, you're on par with the other two.
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Wed, 16 November 2005 00:10
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1JZ, newer, more aftermarket support, loves to rev, doesnt have inherent headgasket issues
7M, older motor, has HG issues, less brand new aftermarket parts, more down low tourque
I know which motor I prefer...
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Wed, 16 November 2005 00:24
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 11:10 |
1JZ, newer, more aftermarket support, loves to rev, doesnt have inherent headgasket issues
7M, older motor, has HG issues, less brand new aftermarket parts, more down low tourque
I know which motor I prefer...
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You forgot the dodgy turbos on the 1JZ. and you doubled up on the HG issues. You should mention them as a pro of the 1JZ or con of the 7M, not both.
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Wed, 16 November 2005 00:34
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Why does everyone poopoo the 1JZ turbos so bad? Yes, they are about the weakest point, but see a stock turboed 7M make the same power on stock turbos? 
The smart people who make their power below 1 bar on factory 1JZ turbos don't have numerous issues with blowing turbos.
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Wed, 16 November 2005 00:50
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frankie is right on the money, shraka i reiterated the 7M headgasket problem becuase unless you do all the work yourself it will set you back over $1000 and a blown headgasket is an issue you cannot put off as it will take the car off the road.
As nath has just said, the turbos will safley make around 200rwkw without any issues, I have just removed the two from my motor and its fantastic too see that they are still in awesome condition for a 100,000km old turbo...the only problem thus far I have had with my 1JZ was the valve stem seals which were admittedly quite fucked, and in my books thats very good for me considering I have punished the shit out of it for the past 6 months, it gives me confidence to know that I can head out too the track for the weekend and flog the shit out of my car with the solice that there is good chances my motor wont suffer terminal failure...i just dont think I could have that confidence with a 7M...i sure as hell know it wasnt there with the 1GGTE
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Wed, 16 November 2005 00:55
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ahh don't bring the poor old one-gee into this.
ah well, at least there's one pro of the 1G-GTE, it sounds wicked 
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Wed, 16 November 2005 00:59
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Valve stem seals seem to be a common complaint among 1jzgte owners too.
Last 7mgte powered car I saw at a drift day though went home early on the back of a truck (engine issues seemed to be hittin a limiter of some sort but sounded like it was at 4krpm).
More or less though the argument comes down to driving style ands your use for the car. I'd own a vehicle with either (presuming the 7mgte had the HG fixed)but as others of said aftermarket support for the 1jzgte a lot bigger and hey cheaper power is always good.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 01:00
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| Merudo wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 11:55 |
ahh don't bring the poor old one-gee into this.
ah well, at least there's one pro of the 1G-GTE, it sounds wicked
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What inline sixes don't (discarding fords shitty inlines that sound like giant fans).
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Wed, 16 November 2005 01:06
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 11:50 |
frankie is right on the money, shraka i reiterated the 7M headgasket problem becuase unless you do all the work yourself it will set you back over $1000 and a blown headgasket is an issue you cannot put off as it will take the car off the road.
As nath has just said, the turbos will safley make around 200rwkw without any issues, I have just removed the two from my motor and its fantastic too see that they are still in awesome condition for a 100,000km old turbo...the only problem thus far I have had with my 1JZ was the valve stem seals which were admittedly quite fucked, and in my books thats very good for me considering I have punished the shit out of it for the past 6 months, it gives me confidence to know that I can head out too the track for the weekend and flog the shit out of my car with the solice that there is good chances my motor wont suffer terminal failure...i just dont think I could have that confidence with a 7M...i sure as hell know it wasnt there with the 1GGTE
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Fair enough on the 7M HG issue, but if you're gonna put something like "loves to rev" in there, you should also put "turbos die" in too. Hirogen's dad recently had to replace his stock 1JZ turbos as they where dead. Dunno what the KMs are, but it was not a modified engine at all ('cept perhaps exhaust, not sure on that).
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Wed, 16 November 2005 01:08
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 08:50 |
i sure as hell know it wasnt there with the 1GGTE
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Leave the 1G out of this. My 1G even with it's problems has never given me any indication of imminent failure, and my fuel economy at the moment backs up the fact it's not being treated nicely
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Wed, 16 November 2005 01:33
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 11:38 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 08:50 |
i sure as hell know it wasnt there with the 1GGTE
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Leave the 1G out of this. My 1G even with it's problems has never given me any indication of imminent failure, and my fuel economy at the moment backs up the fact it's not being treated nicely
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the 1G is a solid motor, not saying it isnt, but its not solid enough to cop the same treatment my 1JZ does...plus having 1400kgs of car and having to wring the neck of the 1G doesnt help its case much either...that said id still prefer a 1G over a 7M as motor...
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Wed, 16 November 2005 03:08
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valve stem seals, havent heard that one
turbo failure, havent had that either and i ran 17 psi all day every day for 2 years, as did 7 or 8 other 1j'owners in newcaslte and no of us blew turbos or had valve stem seal problems.
on the other hand, he all became 1j owners due to 7m's shitting there head gasket.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 03:32
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shane, what internals do you run on the 1JZ.747?
and what headgasket?
im just asking becuase im in the process of extremely large turbo-nizing my 1JZ and im interested too see if I can make similar power to yours...and see what supporting mods ill need...
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Wed, 16 November 2005 03:34
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standard internals
standard head gasket never ad the head off.
194000k's and still going
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Wed, 16 November 2005 03:44
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxceeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeellllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeennnnnnnnnnnnnnntttttttttttt
time for some 7M's for breakfast then methinks
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Wed, 16 November 2005 03:45
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| 1JZ.747 wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 11:34 |
standard internals
standard head gasket never ad the head off.
194000k's and still going
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Haha, that is just awesome.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 03:48
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did i mention it doesnt use any oil at all.
i do oil and filter on average every 3000k's or if i have a race meet i change it.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 03:49
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As you all know I love my 1jz's but my old engine did die. Yes it does happen!
Don't know how exactly as I wasn't driving it but there was some serious knocking noises after. Was told it was running 20psi on stock turbos. The turbos had a bit of play in them and were about 100000kms old. Wilbo666 now has them on his car though so we will see how they go. Still unsure exactly what happened to the engine but I am one example that the internals can suffer damage. This was with a near stock engine. Most people with 1jz would have the same mods as I did at the time. Could be a dud...???
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Wed, 16 November 2005 03:50
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| Chris Davey wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 14:19 |
As you all know I love my 1jz's but my old engine did die. Yes it does happen!
Don't know how exactly as I wasn't driving it but there was some serious knocking noises after. Was told it was running 20psi on stock turbos. The turbos had a bit of play in them and were about 100000kms old. Wilbo666 now has them on his car though so we will see how they go. Still unsure exactly what happened to the engine but I am one example that the internals can suffer damage. This was with a near stock engine. Most people with 1jz would have the same mods as I did at the time. Could be a dud...???
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I had four 1GGTE's all with blown headgaskets from japan...and yet i know people that have had no issues with them whatsoever...i guess it just happens
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:38
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My old 1J, Turbos died after a week, Stock boost,r ev limit set to 5,00rpm. 6 Months later, valve stem selas went, power steering pump, and running low comp on 2 cylinder, finally died, when I couldnt start it one day. Obviously, it was a motor that hadnt been looked after by the previous owner.
Whats fuel consumption like on the 7MGTE?
Ok, does this sound better, buy an MA70, drive it till (if) it dies, and then throw a 2J in!
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:43
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How about, buy MA70, pre-emptively fix head gasket, THEN if it dies, 2JZ it. If it doesn't, look after it and give it a real turbo.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:45
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how about you just put a GT35R on the IS250, make 350rwkw, do skids and be happy...
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:45
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 16:43 |
How about, buy MA70, pre-emptively fix head gasket, THEN if it dies, 2JZ it. If it doesn't, look after it and give it a real turbo.
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Amen, close thread!
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:49
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 13:45 |
how about you just put a GT35R on the IS250, give up this obsession with not wanting to bin it cos of it's price, make 350rwkw, do skids and be happy...
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Fixed for you.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:51
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hahaha, im running outta clothes, because im broke!
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:53
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thanks frank
oh fuck yeah!
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:54
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I'm also saying that because there is just something about the interior in the Mk3 I just can't stand.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 06:00
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 16:21 |
hahaha, im running outta clothes, because im broke!
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IM BROKE NIGGAH! IM BROKE!
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i know its off the topic slightly but comparing my 305wrhp 7mgte to my mates rb26tt with 350rwhp (both cars had hiflow stock turbos)my car makes about 230hp at 3700rpm while his made 120hp. powerlines didnt intersect till about 5400rpm (290hp @1bar on the 7m and @ 1.2bar on the 26) now i know they compare the 1j to a rb26. if i matched my mates boost and fixed my 7ms problems (looks like timing cant tell) id probly make close to 330rwhp
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Wed, 16 November 2005 15:07
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Stealth, thast awesome man!
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Wed, 16 November 2005 23:54
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| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 23:07 |
Stealth, thast awesome man!
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Awesome compared to an RB26 yes, 1JZ no.
KOFFEE yours or anyone elses 1JZ on here that is making 300+rwhp on stock turbos will probably be making a tad more than 230hp @ 3700rpm. Id prove it with my dyno graph but it's got km/h at the bottom and can't be fugged working it out. Anyone else care to help?
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 17:00 |
| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 16:21 |
hahaha, im running outta clothes, because im broke!
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IM BROKE NIGGAH! IM BROKE!
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WHATT?
YEAAHH
OOKAYYYY
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 17:00 |
| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 16:21 |
hahaha, im running outta clothes, because im broke!
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IM BROKE NIGGAH! IM BROKE!
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WHATT?
YEAAHH
OOKAYYYY
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"cocaine's a hella of a drug..."
"bitch show me them titties"
"dammit bitch I wish I had more hands...so I could give them titties FOUR THUMBS DOWN BITCH!"
/end blatant chapelle/rick james quotations
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Thu, 17 November 2005 05:03
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| 1JZ.747 wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 11:34 |
standard internals
standard head gasket never ad the head off.
194000k's and still going
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 That's fucking awesome.
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Location:
Osama's hideout
Registered:
February 2003
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Thu, 17 November 2005 05:05
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| MR 1JZ wrote on Thu, 17 November 2005 11:45 |
| 1JZ.747 wrote on Thu, 17 November 2005 11:10 |
| MR 1JZ wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 17:00 |
| KOFFEE-BLACK wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 16:21 |
hahaha, im running outta clothes, because im broke!
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IM BROKE NIGGAH! IM BROKE!
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WHATT?
YEAAHH
OOKAYYYY
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"cocaine's a hella of a drug..."
"bitch show me them titties"
"dammit bitch I wish I had more hands...so I could give them titties FOUR THUMBS DOWN BITCH!"
/end blatant chapelle/rick james quotations
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the funny thing is the more i listen closley to rap music, he is in so many songs, saying just those three words.
ie ushers song "yeah"
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Melbourne
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November 2003
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Thu, 17 November 2005 05:17
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| 1JZ.747 wrote on Thu, 17 November 2005 16:05 |
the funny thing is the more i listen closley to rap music, he is in so many songs, saying just those three words.
ie ushers song "yeah"
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You listen to rap music? Wierdo.
Anyway...
"THE MILK'S GONE SOUR!"
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Location:
Osama's hideout
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February 2003
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Re: 7MGTE vs 1JZGTE
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Thu, 17 November 2005 05:19
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yes i do enjoy rap music,
also country
also techno and trans music.
but i gave up that redneck shit you listen too
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