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4agze AE82
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Fri, 16 September 2005 02:17
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i know anyone familiar with this forum is probably getting sick of these kinda topics by now, but here goes.
Basically im lookin to drop a 4agze into a twinky. Will this be a matter of just bolting it straight in, and wiring it up, or will i still have to modify mounts, lengthen wiring, etc? Also, is this the same across the board with all FWD 4age variants, including 20v's?
No need to get to detailed, just after a quick answer.
Cheers
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Location:
Brisbane
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February 2005
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Fri, 16 September 2005 02:40
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Yeah the engine / gbox mounts should bolt up.
Assuming you'd be using a front cut? Of course you should use the GZE box, since I think a 4agze would destroy an NA box with its torque.
I dunno what else there would be to worry about besides intercooler - hole in bonnet or front mount.
I'm prolly not the best person for advice actually - I'm a 20v person.
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Location:
Potts Point, Sydney
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October 2003
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Fri, 16 September 2005 02:54
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it is sorta a bolt in job, unless you use the E series box, which will probably mean you have to customise the rear mounts 
not sure about 20V, but they'd probably be a straight bolt in (dont quote me on that) 
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Location:
eastern suburbs, melbourne
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March 2005
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Fri, 16 September 2005 03:40
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im in the process of getting a 20v put into my twinky.
the all the blocks(16v 4age, 20v 4age, 4agze) are the same and there for should bolt straight in.
the 20v bolts straight in without a prob. i heard some people had probs bolting the 20v gearbox into the ae82,(it his something in the steering), but i was lucky and it didnt happen to me(also not a prob on the ae92). i dont know if it would be a prob with the 4agze(if u want to know for sure call toyospares in melb, they have prob done this upgrade b4).
some things to watch out for doing a conversion:
- make sure everything is included in the price to get the car on to road drive away, this will reduce the chances of running into 'extras' later on, like possibly getting a custom loom made up. 
- ask about kms done, what condition the engine/gear box and clutch/fly wheel is in. also ask if the CO sensor is included($90 extra if its not)
- plan out everything, it will end up costing more then u think....
- dont forget about getting an engeneering cert(up to $900)(you need one if you put in an engine with a power increase of more then 10%)
- you will need a new exhuast cos urs is too small(i think they usually go for a 2.25-2.5" pipe)
- good idea to upgrade brakes too since you will b going much much quiker 
- have another car ready, cos urs wont b done for f*cking ages, takes long time, not matter what they tell u, and then its a good idea to bed in the engine for 1000kms and change the oil b4 you push it hard.
i also baught some used ae101 super strut brakes. they fit right on with little modification, i am still not sure wether the master sylinder will handle it though. i guess i can let you know when its done(prob b in like 1 months time at this rate). if u do go for a brake upgrade, get it done b4 the engeneers cert, cos he will aprove it and you wont get defected on them.
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Location:
Taree, 4h nth of syd
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Fri, 16 September 2005 07:20
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Hey there, if u r droping in a 20v motor into a twincam then you dont need a engineer's certificate (NSW) may be different in melboure.
you dont need one is nsw as the origanl motor was a 1.6l and u r replacing it with a 1.6l
only need a blue slip to change engine number's
but as i said may be different where u r, check it out before u pay for a certificate
Eddie
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Location:
wollongong
Registered:
March 2004
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Sat, 17 September 2005 02:40
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You do need an engineers cert. for a 20v because there is more than 15% power increase.
Apart from that the 20v is more or less bolt in, just need to get the wiring sorted.
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Location:
Toronto, Downtown
Registered:
September 2004
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Sat, 17 September 2005 02:52
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you need to call the rta technical advice line they will tell you if an engineers certificate is required. IMHO it is allways best to get it enginered.
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location:
Sydney
Registered:
July 2002
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Sat, 17 September 2005 03:46
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| Darola wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 17:20 |
Hey there, if u r droping in a 20v motor into a twincam then you dont need a engineer's certificate (NSW)
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Actually, you do. The 4age 20V engine was not available in the AE82 body from the factory, therefore it is not a personal certified modification.
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Location:
eastern suburbs, melbourne
Registered:
March 2005
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Sat, 17 September 2005 03:59
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what if you do up a 16v, to a 20v. will you need a eng cert in this case?
it might b an easy way to get around it.. cos the engine numbers are the same(4age).
only diff is its 10 years newer and 30% increase in power(from the big port). 
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Location:
nsw
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May 2003
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Fri, 18 November 2005 03:42
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if the motor wasnt available in Australia, then it needs to be engineered. 20v, 4agze whatever
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Toymods Social Secretary
Location:
Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Fri, 18 November 2005 05:35
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| tim123c wrote on Fri, 18 November 2005 14:42 |
if the motor wasnt available in Australia, then it needs to be engineered. 20v, 4agze whatever
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no no... in NSW if the engine wasnt available in your model car from the factory (that means australia, japan etc) then it must have an engineers certificate.
Now as for bolting a 4agze into an AE82 - the rear gearbox mount is your no.1 problem. I'll try to get some explanitory piccies and a guide up on the new forums, but i ahvent even finished the other 3 guides i've started yet 
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Location:
nsw
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May 2003
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Fri, 18 November 2005 14:12
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yes sorry, witzl is right, i left out the "in your model car from the factory " part
I was told from an engineer when i was going through my defect issues, that because my engine did not come as an option in my model car in Australia, it needed a certificate, even though it was still a 4a engine, and still a 1.6.
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Location:
sydney
Registered:
March 2003
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Re: 4agze AE82
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Sat, 19 November 2005 02:13
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none of the wiring plugs in
with the engineers report
the law might be certain % increase only in power but if i were u
these days anything u bolt on a car shoul;d have a bloody report
otherwise the cops will just haras u and if u have a car accident and not yr fault the other person can turn around and blame yr car
even thou law might mean u dont need one
the cops dont give a rats ass so if u have a report it keeps them off yr back sometimes hehe
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