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20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:00
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hi guys, i know this has prolly been answered !! but i have been searching and gettin different numbers.
wats the power output (kw/hp) of:
Blacktop 20v
Silvertop 20v
JAP 3s-ge
and also which would be quicker ?
AE92 seca with BLACKTOP 20v
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ST162 celica with JAP SPEC 3s-ge
cheers guys !!!
nick.
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:03
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I wouldn't put too much stock in what Toyota sais it's engines put out.
And what version 3S-GE? the one from an ST162?
I wouldn't imagine the AE94 Seca would be as good as the Celica for handeling, and wouldn't be as nice to drive. An AE93 Corolla SX though, that'd be a bit better.
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:04
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fastest i reckon would be an AE82 with a silvertop.
the blacktops have a free-er top end but its a trade off becasue they dont have as much down low as the silvertops. although the silvertops use an airflow meter rather than a map sensor and blacktop throttle bodies are 45mm as apposed to 43mm for the silvers.
in short, a silver top 20v in an AE82 is bloody quick! and its ALOT faster than i expected and i have driven 86kw twinkys and 100kw ae92 sx's and the 20v was about twice as much fun!
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:23
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just remember that regardless of the number of valves... it's still just a 1.6L..... a little more efficient, but nothing special...
now if you were talking AE95 with 4AGTE, or ST165 with 3SGTE.. that might be a little more interesting 
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 12:26
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| oldcorollas wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 23:23 |
just remember that regardless of the number of valves... it's still just a 1.6L..... a little more efficient, but nothing special...
now if you were talking AE95 with 4AGTE, or ST165 with 3SGTE.. that might be a little more interesting
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As long as you like torque steer, yes.
Plan B: Get a RWD or AWD.
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eastern suburbs, melbourne
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March 2005
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 13:23
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i have a ae82 with a silver 20v and gearbox, got 78 fw kw.
i dont find it to be that quik but it compliments the car very well and once it gets into the high revs it starts pulling well, but it takes a while to wind it up from the lower revs. dont know if its just mine, but it needs a tune urgently.
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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Mon, 14 November 2005 14:11
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| Shraka wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 23:26 |
| oldcorollas wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 23:23 |
just remember that regardless of the number of valves... it's still just a 1.6L..... a little more efficient, but nothing special...
now if you were talking AE95 with 4AGTE, or ST165 with 3SGTE.. that might be a little more interesting
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As long as you like torque steer, yes.
Plan B: Get a RWD or AWD.
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ahem 
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Upper Northshore, Sydney
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October 2004
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 22:24
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yeh my mate is getting a BLACKTOP into his AE92 seca at the moment.
i am getting a JAP SPEC 3s-ge (only a gen1) put into my st162.
according it puts out 117kw at the fly.
whats the power of a blacktop / atw !!! anyone dyno'd theres ! ?
i think the ae92 will beat me (afterall he's paying 3times as much and the engines a 01' with 38.000k on the clock !!!
just wanted your thoughts and some numbers if people had them !!!
nick.
ps. dom hows your 20v conversion going man !!!
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November 2003
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 23:22
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| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 01:11 |
| Shraka wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 23:26 |
| oldcorollas wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 23:23 |
just remember that regardless of the number of valves... it's still just a 1.6L..... a little more efficient, but nothing special...
now if you were talking AE95 with 4AGTE, or ST165 with 3SGTE.. that might be a little more interesting
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As long as you like torque steer, yes.
Plan B: Get a RWD or AWD.
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ahem
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Hey, I only got 96.6fwkw N/A and if the traction conditions aren't perfect I find the torque steer to be a pain in the arse! I can't imagine having a 100+fwkw turbo or S/C with all that extra midrange torque.
Anyway, back on topic your friends Corolla wont be that fast. ABout 125kw at the flywheel. You have more torque but a touch heavier. Unless he's modding his 4A-GE, you guys will be even.
And why does everyone ask "is my car gonna be faster than my mates?". Why don't you go find out, then come tell US who's faster?
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 23:24
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ahem = the 5 = AWD versions
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Campbelltown
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November 2003
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Mon, 14 November 2005 23:26
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| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 10:24 |
ahem = the 5 = AWD versions
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Bwahahahahahahahaha
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Location:
Upper Northshore, Sydney
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October 2004
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Mon, 14 November 2005 23:27
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yeh we will definatley find out when they get dun !!
gettin them dyno'd on the next dyno day in jan also !!!!
nick.
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Central Coast, NSW
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February 2005
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Mon, 14 November 2005 23:42
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| domasik wrote on Mon, 14 November 2005 23:04 |
fastest i reckon would be an AE82 with a silvertop.
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That's what I wanna hear.
*continues plotting*
shame about the AFM though.
is it flap or vane type?
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March 2005
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Mon, 14 November 2005 23:46
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i raced my mate with a v6 magna and he was 3 car lengths infront by 100km/h, but i got a terrible take off, and he wont race me again cos he knows i would be even or quiker with a good take off.
whats wrong with a afm?
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November 2003
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Mon, 14 November 2005 23:47
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| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 10:24 |
ahem = the 5 = AWD versions
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LOL. I didn't even notice that. Well done.  *claps*
Now, with the going on about AFM thing. AFM is actualy better in some respects than MAP. AFM is more accurate. I can't remember the specifics. Perhaps someone else can enlighten us.
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January 2004
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Tue, 15 November 2005 00:06
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oh the magic of the 5.... i hear the gt4 running gear into the sr5 is quite good with even lesser weight?
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Tue, 15 November 2005 05:32
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3 letters gze! owns 20v
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Brisbane
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October 2004
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Tue, 15 November 2005 06:23
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Another quality post...
I'm still drooling over the thought of GT4 running gear in my AE92.
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Tue, 15 November 2005 07:18
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can't really compare 20v to the gze since they both different but still 4a 
kinda like 4ac and 4age
dont think the gt4 will go into a ae92 
the euro version might have a 4wd sedan version
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Tue, 15 November 2005 07:23
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so were there any specific figures.
ideas on who will win.
nick.
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Tue, 15 November 2005 08:36
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| GBC_069 wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 09:24 |
yeh my mate is getting a BLACKTOP into his AE92 seca at the moment.
i am getting a JAP SPEC 3s-ge (only a gen1) put into my st162.
according it puts out 117kw at the fly.
whats the power of a blacktop / atw !!! anyone dyno'd theres ! ?
i think the ae92 will beat me (afterall he's paying 3times as much and the engines a 01' with 38.000k on the clock !!!
just wanted your thoughts and some numbers if people had them !!!
nick.
ps. dom hows your 20v conversion going man !!!
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20V conversion is getting there. im not going to have it done in time for dyno day which is a shame but id rather have it done to my satisfaction and 100% perfect than squeeze to try to get it done. Money is the only issue but time is also a factor.
if u wana know what a jap spec 3sge goes like ask Rob ST162 because were pretty sure thats what hes got in his.
i actually saw you driving in penno the other day was gona hoot but couldnt be bothered to move my fingers.
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Tue, 15 November 2005 12:32
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| Shraka wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 10:47 |
| oldcorollas wrote on Tue, 15 November 2005 10:24 |
ahem = the 5 = AWD versions
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LOL. I didn't even notice that. Well done. *claps*
Now, with the going on about AFM thing. AFM is actualy better in some respects than MAP. AFM is more accurate. I can't remember the specifics. Perhaps someone else can enlighten us.
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AFM measures the MASS of the air going into the engine, so temperature and density are less of an issue.
MAP is easier and less restrictive, but you MUST take into account temperature and density or air.
hotwire is also not so restrictive, and although more control is required, it may be the better solution.
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Re: 20v power output ?? how much ???
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Tue, 15 November 2005 13:01
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my old 16v ae92 levin kept up with rebuilt(apparently) aus spec 3sge st162. so i reckon a 20v in ae92 would have more punch. but so would jdm 3sge.
my current 20v had a power spike up to 120hp at wheel on dyno. but it had mods and some not working so well parts.
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Upper Northshore, Sydney
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Tue, 15 November 2005 23:34
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rthy : thanks for the specs man !! big help !!!
spose we will have to wait and see till they both get on the road !! and then till they both get on the dyno next year in january !!!!
i am hoping to pull out 80kwatw from my jap spec 3s-ge, if robs aust. spec, with jap internals and extractors gets 83.8kw i am hoping to pull out 80.
as for the blacktop 20v, my mate wants it to pull 90atw , but we wil have to wait and see !!!!
dom: yeh man i have been working out victoria ave. way in castle hill lately !!!!! plus driving thro penno to uni and back !!!
when the conversions both get dun, early december !!! we ll get some results up !!!!
nick.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 00:09
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just adding to your info,
ive got a 16v bigport putting out 83rwkw.
No need for 2L when a 1.6L can give you what you want
with a lighter package
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January 2004
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Wed, 16 November 2005 02:33
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also
20v 4age 160Nm?
3sge jdm 173Nm
not sure at what rpm, but im sure the 20v would rev higher...
my bet is on the 20v but prove me wrong!
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Wed, 16 November 2005 02:43
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| rthy wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 13:33 |
also
20v 4age 160Nm?
3sge jdm 173Nm
not sure at what rpm, but im sure the 20v would rev higher...
my bet is on the 20v but prove me wrong!
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What? The 3S-GE only has 173nm? That's less than my B18C2.
Anyway, b1gb3n's 20v sprinter got 84.1Kw (113Hp) @ 7478rpm & 119.7Nm @ 5289rpm on the Beninca dyno.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 02:51
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Only 4age car i have driven was an AE111 levin with a black top 20V redline 8000rpm cutout (no idea), only took it to 5000rpm had kicked into the power curve yet, was fairly responsive and quick but not overly great.
But i am used to torque at 2800rpm and at the most 5000rpm shift points so its a totally different ball game for me.
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Wed, 16 November 2005 05:36
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| Shraka wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 13:43 |
| rthy wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 13:33 |
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20v 4age 160Nm?
3sge jdm 173Nm
not sure at what rpm, but im sure the 20v would rev higher...
my bet is on the 20v but prove me wrong!
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What? The 3S-GE only has 173nm? That's less than my B18C2.
Anyway, b1gb3n's 20v sprinter got 84.1Kw (113Hp) @ 7478rpm & 119.7Nm @ 5289rpm on the Beninca dyno.
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factory @ the fly specs, not dyno atw specs
can be found on the redbook.com.au, drive.com.au, carsales.com.au, club4ag, google, etc...
i wouldn't say its how much power you have, more like what power its rated or could have... (at the fly)
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Wed, 16 November 2005 06:56
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| rthy wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 16:36 |
| Shraka wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 13:43 |
| rthy wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 13:33 |
also
20v 4age 160Nm?
3sge jdm 173Nm
not sure at what rpm, but im sure the 20v would rev higher...
my bet is on the 20v but prove me wrong!
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What? The 3S-GE only has 173nm? That's less than my B18C2.
Anyway, b1gb3n's 20v sprinter got 84.1Kw (113Hp) @ 7478rpm & 119.7Nm @ 5289rpm on the Beninca dyno.
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factory @ the fly specs, not dyno atw specs
can be found on the redbook.com.au, drive.com.au, carsales.com.au, club4ag, google, etc...
i wouldn't say its how much power you have, more like what power its rated or could have... (at the fly)
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Yeah I was quoting my factory flywheel specs. As you can see in my sig I only have 138nm at the wheels.
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Sat, 19 November 2005 05:39
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amazing how little difference there is with some 20v's as opposed to stock 4age 16v's !!!
i have only ever driven a silvertop in an ae82, but man did that thing go like the clappas !!!! shit !!!!
have to wait and see, next weekend starting conversion !!! yay !!!!
nick.
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Sat, 19 November 2005 17:34
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| Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 16 November 2005 02:51 |
Only 4age car i have driven was an AE111 levin with a black top 20V redline 8000rpm cutout (no idea), only took it to 5000rpm had kicked into the power curve yet, was fairly responsive and quick but not overly great.
But i am used to torque at 2800rpm and at the most 5000rpm shift points so its a totally different ball game for me.
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4AGEs don't event start to make good power til 5000rpm, how can you compare an AE111 blacktop with your nannamobile?!
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Sun, 20 November 2005 08:07
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I realise that, spose to write hadn't instead of had typo woops.
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Location:
Upper Northshore, Sydney
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Fri, 25 November 2005 10:52
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yeh man , get that boost controller fixed and it ll pull out more than that !!!!
results of power coming soon ! when the blacktop gets completed.
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