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Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 28 July 2005 15:20 Go to next message
Hi Toymoders

I have reloated from Sydney to London due to work and now living over here. I am looking for a car to drive around the Nurburgring race track in Germany before I left Sydney I was driving a 1G sprinter trueno dark brown red. I miss the car alot but for my next car im sticking with N/A power. The Nurburgring has been a dream of mine to drive on it takes around about 10minutes if your good driver to go around it will me about 30minutes with joy on my face. I have a problem what car to buy???? I have a list and pics of the cars. My budget is £5K-10K pounds. Second hands cars over here are bloody cheap!!!!!!and if you are earning pounds you are in heaven ahahhaha!!

1) 1989 E30 S14 BMW M3 = 5K+
2) 1997 JDM DC2 Honda Integra TypeR =8K+
3) 1998 JDM EK9 Honda Civic TypeR =8K+
4) 2000 Lexus Altezza 3S-GE GenV BEAMS RS200 = 10K+ wish!!
5) 1985 Toyota Corolla GTS AKA (Sprinter 4AG)= 4K+

I can bring it back to Sydney after 1 year depending on age of car. Im planning the drive around November depending on work and funds

Hope it brings up great Track and Car Talk. Time difference will play a part if I do answer back ASAP

Thanks all
Wei UK

Examples!!! of the Cars

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2767/89e30s14bmwm3black5ek.jpg
E30 S14 BMW M3

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9657/97jdmdc2hondaintegratyp3op.jpg
JDM DC2 Honda Integra TypeR

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5159/98jdmek9hondacivicek99ji.jpg
JDM EK9 Honda Civic TypeR

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/830/2000lexusaltezza3sgege0bx.jpg
Lexus Altezza 3S-GE GenV BEAMS RS200

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8913/854agetoyotacorollagts6iy.jpg
Toyota Corolla GTS AKA (Sprinter 4AG)






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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 28 July 2005 17:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
i'd persoanly take the M3 out of them... and then spend a little on updating the suspension..

the hondas are FWD, the altezza will feel slow, the spoontah.. well, need i say more?

if you are looking to brings something back (and it doesn't matter on age of car at all if you live there with car for 12+ months.. i'm doing same thing Razz) then either get something you really really like, or something that is not available in Oz and will retain it's value (integras = no)

how about Beemer 850 and then turbo the sucker Evil or Very Mad (just replae all electronics first and dump all the heavy shit out)
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 29 July 2005 05:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Get the altezza Razz
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 29 July 2005 05:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what about something like an old rex, but yeah out of those i'd pick the m3.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 29 July 2005 05:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Corona RT142 wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 15:13

what about something like an old rex, but yeah out of those i'd pick the m3.

as much as i hate the WRX it would be a decent car on that track
id go with the m3
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 29 July 2005 05:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lench wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 15:24

Corona RT142 wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 15:13

what about something like an old rex, but yeah out of those i'd pick the m3.

as much as i hate the WRX it would be a decent car on that track
id go with the m3


yeah i'm not that much of a rex fan myself but they would be a good track car, my bro was in london over chrissie bought a couple of mags back and the rex's seem to be pretty cheap for a second hand one.
Other cars could be something like an Audi s4 ie mid 90's ones they are like 25K in aus, 169kw awd.
Um what else, old school BMW m5 would be pretty cheap, these had a 3.5l six and around 200kw.
Clio sport, vast aray of hot hatches the poms love em.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 29 July 2005 05:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
renault r5 tarbo!
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 29 July 2005 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thanks all
for the comments

Over here they dont like WRX much the EVO is the King of the road over here.

mmmm renault r5 tarbo,Audi s4 ie mid 90's ,old school BMW m5,
Clio sport are very interesting!!! Im on the search now!!!

My eye is on the M3 and Sprinter due to I know more about them
The M3 is about $30,000+ in Australia depend if you can find one and £5,000+ and there are heaps over here LHD and RHD.

I have test drove one and I could say it is very similar to a AE86--light weight REVs hard and rear wheel drive, Love to drift!!!!hahaha
and it only £5K over here you get a 4ac sprinter back at home for equal money $5K Aus money. Dont convert the pound if your earning the pound!!!!!





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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 29 July 2005 14:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
m3 for me aswell
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Sat, 30 July 2005 01:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
if you're going to be bringing it back here then i'd say go for the altezza.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Mon, 01 August 2005 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
http://www.heiser.net/documents/nurburgring/

interesting take on the ring

id love to do it oneday Smile
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Mon, 01 August 2005 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RWDboy wrote on Fri, 29 July 2005 15:11

Get the altezza Razz


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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 04 August 2005 17:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Take either the Altezza or the M3, i recon either one would be a joy to take around a trake like that, if its too hard to decide then just buy both and sell one when ya get back here Razz

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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 05 August 2005 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
m3 easy!
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 05 August 2005 09:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
joel, your girlfriends car is named 'whitey' thats awesome!! i cant believe u named it after me! thanks homie
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hahah yeah Cool
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 05 August 2005 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
you can get group A St205 Gt4's for those dollars - take a trip down to fensport with your spare cashies and get modding Smile

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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Sat, 06 August 2005 07:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hmm stu has a point there... mmmmm fensport
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Sat, 06 August 2005 08:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hey mate, i dont think any of us have driven any of these cars, save for the sprinter Rolling Eyes so no one can really give you an informed opinion other than what theyve read out of road n track.

looks like ur just gonna hafta educate all of us when you get back...but if you are going to drive somewhere as exclusive as the nurburgring, drive something more exclusive than a toyota Confused
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Sat, 06 August 2005 09:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what about the rex ive driven one Very Happy
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if he is talking m3's at the nurburgring, i wouldnt be talkin rex's...
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Mon, 08 August 2005 06:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
my instinctive choice would have to be the M3...

however, that Altezza is F**KN HOT!
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Wed, 10 August 2005 03:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gday Wei, sounds like you're going to have a ball over there.

I'd say the M3 all the way, i was already thinking that before i read your list, but was thinking E36. But yeah, E30 M3, and if you're not sure i'll buy it off you when you bring it back!

Other than that, the renault 5 turbo is a ripper, and would be unique over here... or the Audi Quattro, the '83-4 or so, coupe, 5cyl turbo 4wd, the original rally inspired tarmac tearer (along with a couple of lancias of course). Lancia Delta Integrale... although even less reliable than the renault.

Ah the battle between the french and italians for the reliability wooden spoon...

GT

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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Wed, 10 August 2005 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Again M3 or Altezza, although I'd really love the high revving BEAMS 3S-GE.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Wed, 10 August 2005 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sure the Altezza is great for handling, but 210Nm in a what? 1600kg car?

just...

doesn't...

cut it Wink
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Fri, 12 August 2005 02:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Go the Rolla GTS AE86 for sure..
rip up some newer cars with that old beast..
would be a fun and raw track drive in that
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Mon, 29 August 2005 10:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Um, that one in your avatar would probably do just fine. Razz
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Mon, 05 September 2005 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Out of that group I'd take the M3.

But have you thought about the Escort RS Cosworth? I think that since your over there, enjoy cars that we don't get the luxury of enjoying over here.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 08 September 2005 03:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
personally, i wouldnt buy a car for the sake of one lap around the ring...

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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Tue, 13 September 2005 04:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lotus Elise.

Surely you can pick up an early one for around 10K.

If you could get a M3 Evo then that would be the go, but they are rare.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Tue, 13 September 2005 14:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
yeah fvck buying a car, just hire a ferrari of some shit and thrash the fvck outta it! and take out all the insurance you can on it lol

why are we still talking about this? 3months later? is this guy even still around? lol
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 15 September 2005 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hi,

My mate has a DC2 Type R and I've driven an E30 M3 (smiling for weeks after) they're one of my favourite cars, and they handle phenomenally well, I prefer it over the Integra for sure, but I also don't like FF cars generally so it may seem biased, but I'm not going on that, but from both driving experiences.

Easy choice for me:

If you've got the money - get the Altezza - awesome cars.

Otherwise M3 no doubt - I might choose this over the Altezza personally, only because you'll have money to spend on it and you could make it into a very quick track car.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Tue, 20 September 2005 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lancia Delta Intergrale?

They are hot!I like the M3 too but i reckon something that isnt that common or easy to get over here. Old school Renault?
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Mon, 26 September 2005 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
how good is europe!

i would get this:http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsales/!cs_conten t.private_vehicle?vehicle_id=99529&current_rec =21&used_rec=13&total_rec=37&sort_type =&total_rec=37&sort_type=&make_id=12&a mp;model_id=252&state_id=-1&search_distanc e=25
it has a 2.5ltr 16v, loves to be reved. a very well balanced car. should take down the m3.

the DC2 is the best handling fwd car thou.

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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Tue, 27 September 2005 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cor Blimey!

Just hire an Audi RS4 wagon, strap a fake dog into the boot, then thrash the hell out of it around the ring.
God that would be nuts... those things hammer, fastest wagon in the world.

You would not see another wagon out there at the ring!!

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Tue, 27 September 2005 23:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ive seen a TRANSIT van out there, over taking bikes and sports cars. Laughing
(it was on a episode of top gear, where the host barely cracked 10 min in a desel rover, and this chick laughed at him and said she could do better in a transit van! she did)
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Wed, 28 September 2005 01:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Id avoid the renault 5, nasty habit of bursting hoses and overheating, also getting very hard to find one thats not been messed around by some 18year old kid.

He would be better off checking out something like Kit Cars magazine and buying a Caterham, Westfield style car, the kit car scene is HUGE in England! The latest breed of kit cars a seriously lightweight, strong and powerfull! Alot of them have Suzuki Hayabusa or Yamaha R1 engines in them and the cars wet weight is around the 400-450KG mark. Performance is explosive to say the least! Ive been on a track day in the UK where in 3 laps, in a R1 powered car with a driver and me on board we took a 911 GT3, Skyline R33GTR and a Elise.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Wed, 28 September 2005 01:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pr*duct wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 19:00

Cor Blimey!

Just hire an Audi RS4 wagon, strap a fake dog into the boot, then thrash the hell out of it around the ring.
God that would be nuts... those things hammer, fastest wagon in the world.

You would not see another wagon out there at the ring!!

Laughing Laughing Laughing

Mate anything and everything drives around the ring, from coaches to hire cars as it is counted as a toll road. RS4 would be awesome though the rs6 is faster than it now and maybe even the E55 amg supercharged wagon (atleast in a straight line anyway).
My tip would be the RS6 would pip the RS4 round the ring its heavier but it cops a fair chunk more power, ie limited edition got 350kw 4.2L twin turbo V8 regular model was 321kw.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Wed, 28 September 2005 16:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 28 September 2005 11:39

pr*duct wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 19:00

Cor Blimey!

Just hire an Audi RS4 wagon, strap a fake dog into the boot, then thrash the hell out of it around the ring.
God that would be nuts... those things hammer, fastest wagon in the world.

You would not see another wagon out there at the ring!!

Laughing Laughing Laughing

Mate anything and everything drives around the ring, from coaches to hire cars as it is counted as a toll road. RS4 would be awesome though the rs6 is faster than it now and maybe even the E55 amg supercharged wagon (atleast in a straight line anyway).
My tip would be the RS6 would pip the RS4 round the ring its heavier but it cops a fair chunk more power, ie limited edition got 350kw 4.2L twin turbo V8 regular model was 321kw.


you should listen to the man... he knows his euro cars Razz
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oldcorollas wrote on Thu, 29 September 2005 02:57

Corona RT142 wrote on Wed, 28 September 2005 11:39

pr*duct wrote on Tue, 27 September 2005 19:00

Cor Blimey!

Just hire an Audi RS4 wagon, strap a fake dog into the boot, then thrash the hell out of it around the ring.
God that would be nuts... those things hammer, fastest wagon in the world.

You would not see another wagon out there at the ring!!

Laughing Laughing Laughing

Mate anything and everything drives around the ring, from coaches to hire cars as it is counted as a toll road. RS4 would be awesome though the rs6 is faster than it now and maybe even the E55 amg supercharged wagon (atleast in a straight line anyway).
My tip would be the RS6 would pip the RS4 round the ring its heavier but it cops a fair chunk more power, ie limited edition got 350kw 4.2L twin turbo V8 regular model was 321kw.


you should listen to the man... he knows his euro cars Razz

I was expecting you to chime in with your smart arse wit, gee getting a little predictable now. Razz
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 29 September 2005 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Corona RT142 wrote on Thu, 29 September 2005 08:45

I was expecting you to chime in with your smart arse wit, gee getting a little predictable now. Razz


heh heh Laughing surely an RS6 smashing an RS4 (not jst pipping) is predictable too Very Happy
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 29 September 2005 02:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Wei! It's Jeremy here. Hope you're having a good time over there bud...

Anyway, as someone mentioned previously, I would pick a '7' replica - Caterham, Westfield etc... You just couldn't beat it for sheer fun I reckon!

Take it easy man and take lots of pics for us back home!

Cheers,

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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Sun, 16 October 2005 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Any of you see a British show called Top Gear?
They had a chick, who's an expert at the track get a stock turbo diesel Ford Transit van around it in 10:08.
Very impressive to watch.
Get the car with the best handling and practice practice practice
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Tue, 01 November 2005 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
steal the dahlback golf RSI Very Happy ! nothing would come close to you
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Sat, 03 December 2005 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I was there last easter in my 7M-GTE supra... although I had a blown front shocker I managed to justbreak the ten min barrier on my second day...

there are a lot of very quick mki and mkii golfs there.. and a LOT of E30 BMWs.

One of the guys I was with had a mkii CRX with a 2.0 Vtec engine dropped in... I'll tell you what, that thing flew!!!

The biggest hurdle is knowing the track, so a FWD car that you can blindly chuck into corners is not THAT bad..... I must admit, I was impressed with it!!! He got a better time then I did Sad

The MR2 guys were spinning off left right and centre... this track is so big it can be raining at one end and dry at the other Laughing

HUGE HUGE fun though... over easter weekend isa massive Toyota event too.... there are some nice cars there!!!

I can't make it this year... Crying or Very Sad but a mate of mine has just boughta ST-205 for it!!!

oh, and avoid Fensport!!! They are utter crap!!!!!

E30 M3s and AE86s here cost lots and lots... you could get something better for the money! I would go with a ST-205 or ST- 185... if you want to convoy over with other toyota owners... check out www.toyotaownersclub.com

What ever you choose, make sure is totally mechanically sound before you go.... WE left on teh thursday moring at 6 am... teh wednesday night before I just finished fitting new pads, disks and rebuild calipers all round.... on returning 1000 miles later..... the pads were due to be changed again!!!!

I can't wait to get back there!!!!

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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Tue, 06 December 2005 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sonds like we are in a similar boat.

I recently move to spain and want to make the trip up to the Nurburgring for a bit of fun. Unfortunately the car choice here is very ordinary. I am currently looking at a ST185 Group A. About the only thing worth buying here. I need to get a local liscence though before I can own a car hereand as there is no agreement between Australia and Spain, I am going for my learners permit sometime in the next few weeks.

When you do make the trip across, let me know and I will meet you in france for the trip across.

Oh and car wise, I would love to get into the kit car scene that the UK has, although the thought of driving a car of somewhat questionable build quality at high speed (and it is a very fast track) scares me a little.

Hope your stay in the UK is enjoyable and if you are ever in Spain give me a yell.

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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Wed, 07 December 2005 03:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
myne wrote on Mon, 17 October 2005 08:00

Any of you see a British show called Top Gear?
They had a chick, who's an expert at the track get a stock turbo diesel Ford Transit van around it in 10:08.
Very impressive to watch.
Get the car with the best handling and practice practice practice

look up, i posted that a few posts up.


the new audi rs4 would be a sweet ride through there.
v8, 420 odd bhp. 4wd. NA(no turbos this time). the car revs to 8250RPM!!!! and in neutral it hit fuel cut off b4 the rev gauge gets to 7000. its supposed to be one of the best engines ever made.
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Wed, 07 December 2005 21:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Although to drive a 4wd V8 in the UK you would need to own an oil refinery. I think petrol is the equivalent of about AUD$2.50 per liter.

I am actually thinking of converting a car to run on cheap red wine, I can get that for 0.39euros a liter (about 60 aussy cents)
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 08 December 2005 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
any vintage in particular?
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 08 December 2005 00:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
It was about $2.52 a month ago...

Not huge fun with a lightly tuned, hugely overfueling 7M-GTE Laughing
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Re: Which car to buy for the Nurburgring Race Track???? Thu, 08 December 2005 04:51 Go to previous message
myne wrote on Mon, 17 October 2005 08:00

Any of you see a British show called Top Gear?
They had a chick, who's an expert at the track get a stock turbo diesel Ford Transit van around it in 10:08.
Very impressive to watch.
Get the car with the best handling and practice practice practice

thats it: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5546118609 957365052&q=top+gear
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