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2tgeu vs 4age?
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Fri, 07 March 2003 08:19
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Hi guys... I know this is stupid. i know the 2tgeu or something like that is toyotas first remarkable twin cam engine... I'd like a basic sum up of the 2tgeu opposed to a 4age. I know theoretically that newer is better. but i heard alot of people do borexstroke these engine to 2 liters. The more information better.
I'd like in generally the pros and cons.
And if possible the engine specs... standard... as well as its potiential after being worked.
Reason being is a mates mates of mine wants to line up with me down dandy. I just wanna know what i'm up with.
Its on the 13th of march. Guys in melbourne. Ur welcome to join us 
Anywayz thanks in advance.
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Fri, 07 March 2003 18:24
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Any info at all appreciated..
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Fri, 07 March 2003 19:14
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Try doing a search, there was a really big discussion on this, and the people that typed out pages of knowledge aren't likely to do it again for a while.
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Fri, 07 March 2003 19:34
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Joels right...theres no way Im going thru all that again!! besides Rod knows he lost  and we dont want to upset him anymore 
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Fri, 07 March 2003 22:09
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Hint: Rod owns/owned a 2TGE 
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Sat, 08 March 2003 07:12
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| inertia wrote on Sat, 08 March 2003 08:39 |
Hint: Rod owns/owned a 2TGE
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isn't that a 2TGTE  ?
4AGE: I think the summary of the last few discussions on the topic was that the 4AGE is a much more sophisticated and reliable engine, and with work can produce much better power than the 2TG, but if your 4age is stock and this bloke with the 2TG knows what hes doing he will leave you for dust  .
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Sat, 08 March 2003 12:11
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We could debate which block would sink faster on the end of a chain for anchors
i think a Starfire corona motor would beat them all in this debate
what i can gather - 4age - newer - revvier - more mods parts out there - but cant do much to increase capacity
2tg - older , torquier , can be stroked upwards to 2 litres with the right setup , the $age's older brother
Much in a muchness between the two - depeinding if you want cubes increase or peak revs .. Also 4ag's fit easier in corollas - 2tg's are better housed in early celicas ( bolt in )
outside of that - see the search field in the top right hand corner of this HTML screen - type 2tg or 4ag in there -clicketh SEARCH BUTTON - for it knows all, and prepare for information overload
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Sun, 09 March 2003 01:29
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what kind of car does your friend have?
If its one of those old celicas, I would be inclined to think your AE86 (i assume its an AE86) would out handle your friend through the mountains (assuming no hardcore suspension work) since they are a bit heavier.
If it's in a T-18 then i reckon it'll be close. As the t-18 and AE86 have pretty much identical floor plans.
All this assuming stock vs stock.
PS. i'd be up to watch you guys dorifting all over the place just let me know some more details.
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Sun, 09 March 2003 09:01
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If it's in a T-18 then i reckon it'll be close. As the t-18 and AE86 have pretty much identical floor plans.
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actually they are fairly different, the AE86 is closer to a KE70/AE71 floor pan than any other.
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Hint: Rod owns/owned a 2TGE
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he also owned 2 4AGE's and hasnt had a turbo vehicle until the latest engine, which I think is why he chose the 2TGT for the first time....sentimentality really I think
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Sun, 09 March 2003 09:19
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Oh... PLEASE...... NOT AGAIN!!!! aarrrgghhh!!!!
This argument went on for many weeks in the last thread if I remember.. Then ended up between a huge flame war between Bill Sherwood and Rod...
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Sun, 09 March 2003 11:55
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mmmm we both know which one is faster, don't we Pumpkin
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Sun, 09 March 2003 13:22
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My mate drives a corona. Advanti or something. Anyway hes thrown a 2gte or something in it... something about a 2 liter crank e.t.c. And celica 5 speed i believe. Anyway yes i'm in a ae86. the last weekend i'll be owning my jap spec. Anyway hopefully it will be a coolish 16-18 degrees with NO rain as we melbournians have been experiancing in the last few days. Anyways my 4ag isn't stock. No way near. Neither is the car. As mentioned before i have sold it to one lucky buyer which i did drop the price to 11k. If u guys wanna come up be happy 2. I think we're meeting next friday night at observatory of dandenong
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Sun, 09 March 2003 21:26
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mmmm we both know which one is faster, don't we Pumpkin
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Thanks Sam  ....... I would like a rematch!!!
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Sun, 09 March 2003 23:36
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I'll take you both on. I'll even start in 2nd gear for ya.
I wonder where Rod is........ 
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Mon, 10 March 2003 01:49
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I'll take you both on. I'll even start in 2nd gear for ya.
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Ummmm... Ok.. but you have to be towing the Slut car..
Rod's taking his time isn't he??
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Mon, 10 March 2003 02:51
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LOOK
let me tell you from the top, i have had a 100kw 4aGe seca, and now own a 2tgeu celica, i would not give it up for a 4age ever, you want balls get a 2tgeu, want big balls, do what im doing and strap on the sc12, that will get the little puppy moving.
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Mon, 10 March 2003 03:20
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im still waiting for the 18R-G vs 3S-GE war......
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Mon, 10 March 2003 03:38
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Juzzo, AE92 secas are pretty heavy compared to an old celica.
You just might have to come along with Joe, karl & myself (and anyone else keen) when we have a bit of a drag somewhere (off street, of course!). How about we all go in the drags at the Nationals? I know it's only a 1/8 mile, but I'm gonna go in it, & there should be plenty of other 2Ts & 4As to compare against.
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Re: 2tgeu vs 4age?
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Mon, 10 March 2003 10:45
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Firstly the updated Comparison chart can be found here in this directory it has the 20V info Johny provided in the old thread. (Thanks Johny )
http://www.toymods.org.au/~rod/Technical%20Info/
Secondly, Who said an AE86 will out handle a TA22 ?? Now thats just begging for an Arguement !
IRALLY,
I changed back to the 2TG because of alot of reasons, one is definatly because I prefer it in my engine bay (Its the "right" engine for the car) another is because its better suited to my performance needs ! And as for we know who one..... Your right.... we do 
Does anyone know what the Corona Avanti weight in at, It is a fat old bitch he will have some issues if it a similar weight to the AE86 then this could be funny ! Just think a "Jap Spec" AE86 beaten but a Corona.... With a 2TG
Pumpkin,
Just leave your car with me the week before you go to eastern creek with Bigworm I'll just "tune" it...... Honest
Oh and Stu, As a Boat anchor the 2TG wins out as its around 25Kg heavier than the 4AGE. 
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Re: 2tgeu vs 4age?
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Mon, 10 March 2003 21:55
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| THE WITZL wrote on Mon, 10 March 2003 14:20 |
im still waiting for the 18R-G vs 3S-GE war......
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if no one starts that we can do a 18R-G vs 1G-GE war
theres not many RWD 3S-GE's out there 
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Re: 2tgeu vs 4age?
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Mon, 10 March 2003 22:09
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Joe u it says somewhere on the website that u can buy them for your celica from some bloke (his details are on website somewhere) for $60.
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Re: 2tgeu vs 4age?
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Mon, 10 March 2003 23:44
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damn... i hate extra costs... grr 
well... looks like Joe, Joel and myself should head down to the creek! Who else wants to go?
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Re: 2tgeu vs 4age?
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Tue, 11 March 2003 00:10
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| thetoyman75 wrote on Mon, 10 March 2003 21:45 |
Does anyone know what the Corona Avanti weight in at, It is a fat old bitch he will have some issues if it a similar weight to the AE86 then this could be funny ! Just think a "Jap Spec" AE86 beaten but a Corona.... With a 2TG
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Lol... Seemingly the corona pushes 300 hp after being worked. (No bloody idea) The car weighs 300 kg more i think.... or at least 200. My cars got more handlings mods than he has in bolts in his car. He isn't such a great driver either. Thinking his 2 liter n such is a champ by taking on 8's in the wet. Rekons hes top shat after wrecking a echo 1.3 vvti. lol. Anywayz hes a load of toss... Rekons HKS/TRD would still really have parts for sale or production for the 2tg. Thinks 30psi boost supercharge or such is possible in that engine. Until that day i think i'll be keeping my limbs.
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