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I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Thu, 13 March 2003 14:55
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Hiya guys, just wondering if you could help me out with some info regarding shoving a 3S-GTE into an AE86. I've tried hard and searched the net as best as I could but I have no idea what kinda price range it's all gonna cost. So far I've managed to find a bit of info on it.
The only info I could find on it was;
-That I had to use 1S or 2S mounts as a basis for the new engine mounts.
-The best box to use for the conversion was a W57/58 Supra box, and would require a 2C\2S bellhousing, 2C starter motor, 2C or 2S (better) companion plate, original flywheel, clutch, pressure plate off 3SGE. <--- Is that referring to the original flywheel and clutch coming from a 2C or a 2S ?
Would I need to buy a complete Halfcut of an MR2/GT4 for this or could I just get buy with the engine and loom ? The AE86 I want to put it into is just a stock 4-AC aust delivered one.
Any info regarding this topic would be greatly appreciated before I start buying up bits and pieces.
Thanks
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Thu, 13 March 2003 19:13
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The bellhousing is available to suit the 3S flywheel from http://www.fraser.co.nz/
I understand this also shifts the starter motor to the drivers side away from the turbo's heat.
Would recommend going for a complete front or rear cut. Even if your not using the gearbox you would be amazed the amount of important stuff that tends to be missing from engine/loom packages. At least with a half cut there is no way to argue it wasn't included in the price. Generally you can also test run it in the half cut so at least you know the general condition of the motor before you transplant it.
For the engine mounts it will often work out cheaper to start from scratch, while the gearbox mount from a car that used the W series box from the factory is not too hard to adapt. Speedo cable should slip straight in, but ratio may be wrong.
Callum
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Thu, 13 March 2003 21:02
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Dont bother speaking to Fraser.co.nz, they are having trouble getting the bellhousings. Plus I have been informed that you still have issues with the clutch!
There is someone on this forum that can make you a bellhousing with the starter and clutch on the drivers side! He can also do a RWD lightened flywheel to suit! This person might pop his head up if he wishes.
I'm doing a ST205 3S-GTE into a TA22 at the moment! I bought a halfcut, but you can really just get away with the engine and computer package. I just got the halfcut because I could start and run the engine after I do some mods to it!
One mod that you will need to do is remove the dizy and use a DLI convertor.
The engine mounts arent a real issue and shouldn't be worried about too much.
Another thing that you will need is the oil pickup off the 2s and also the sump from the 2s.
Any more questions?
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Thu, 13 March 2003 22:50
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Have you done a search on the forums yet? This question has been asked heaps of times and there's a wealth of information about it.
In short, it's a hideously expensive conversion. If I was to do it, I'd save up $10k before I even started thinking about it.
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Thu, 13 March 2003 23:20
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That would be 10k if you want someone else to do it! I havn't even reached the 5k mark "yet" although its getting there!
But I really dont think that you'll need 10k if you can do most of the work!
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 00:21
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cool1, got your diff brakes and exhaust yet?
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 00:25
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Diff and rear brakes done. Working on front brakes. Exhaust is real cheap(mates rates).
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 00:35
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Shane, what you doing with the inlet manifold, exhaust manifold, and dizzy?
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 00:56
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Removing the dizy and using some ze coils with a DLI convertor. And making the inlet and turbo manifold.
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Fri, 14 March 2003 01:15
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You're almost up to $5k without having done the manifolds yet?
Some of us don't get "mates rates". 
Plus, the figure of $10k is if you were to go with an aftermarket computer. Doing all the work yourself.
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 01:30
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It also comes down to what 3S your using as well. I paid 3k for my ST205 but you can get a 165 dirt cheap!
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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 08:56
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Thanks for the response guys, I did do some more searching on this subject but I couldn't find much, so if it's been discussed before, a thread link would be awesome.
Could I get away with using the stock ecu from the half cut or would I be better off going for an aftermarket ecu ?
I'm leaning more towards an SW20 Series 2 halfcut, am I able to use the brakes and get them into the AE86 at all ?
What kind of diff would I have to use ? can the SW20 one go in or would I have to source one from another Toyota ?
Cool1, it sounds like you're pretty close to completing your car, what kinda timeframe has the project taken up ? Did you have to modify your inlet and turbo manifold so it could fit into the engine bay ? as i'm not familiar with the TA22 (Sorry!)
Thanks again !
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 09:04
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Mate you will have to make new manifolds! The best ECU to use is the standard item, nothing will beat it for a nice smooth running engine.
For my project I saved up for a year then bought the engine in january. I'm in no real hurry at the moment so I have just been doing bit by bit!
If you have ICQ send me a message.
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 14:22
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Sweet, thanks for the info and the quick reply Cool1, I can't get my ICQ working properly, so i'll just ask more questions in here if that's ok.
Sorry to sound dumb, but what's a DLI Convertor ? and how much did it cost you to convert the dizzy into coilpacks ? Is that something that most automotive electricians can do ?
I had another question, but I forgot..
Thanks
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Re: I'm having crazy thoughts, 3S-GTE into an AE86 ?
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Sat, 15 March 2003 02:31
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The DLI converter just interprets the signals coming from the dizy pickup and processes them to fire the igniter.
It will cost about $150 for the DLI converter. Then you need an igniter and coils from a 4agze. You can also just use another igniter like the one already on the 3s(this is cheaper).
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