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1g-gte internals?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 04:09
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well after searching for 20min i'm left with more answers than before, i'll be getting a 1g-gte from a ga70 to toy around with for my project and just wanted to know where can i go to find new internals for it (titaniam valves, valve springs, clips, forged pistons, rods, ect.) if anywhere or what other engines can i use aftermarket parts from? also how much HP have the stock internals been known to hold? and i know i'll pretty much get raped on the shipping charges since i'm in the U.S. and there is no market for 1G's  anyway if someone could answer some of these or point me to an informative web site or a site that sells 1G parts i would really appreciate it 
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 04:15
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Just curious, what sort of car do you own dude?
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aiken, SC
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 04:19
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88 ma70 n/a targa and a 87 Turbo with t-tops from a z31 300z put em in myself along with the 16 point cage and lots more planned for the future
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 05:10
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The car's too heavy dude.
Why not stick with a 7M-GTE or 1JZ-GTE? At least those engines are readily available over there and have the off-boost torque to push the car.
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 05:23
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i'm just wanting to be different  everywhere i go theres a modded 7M or more rare but still all over down here theres modded 1J's, weight will not be an issue, my car is stripped down as far as i can go without a cutting torch, manual steering, no doors, so on... the cage tubing did add 240lbs but i easily made up for that cause i can pick up any half of my car, with 2 or 3 people we can move it around and it's basicly ready to drive minus the engine and interior i'll be making soon  i plan on trieng to squezze some extra rpm's out of it if i can find stronger internals, hopefuly 10K at the most, which would be alot easier than trying to make a high-rev 7M hybrid like i was going to do, cause of the squareness and less rotating mass. anyway this will be a track car only if your wondering
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Fri, 14 March 2003 05:46
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Ah. Kewl. Sounds good!
Tell us how you go!
AFAIK, there's bugger all performance bits for the 1G-GTE. You'd have to search in some pretty obscure places in Japan I think...
I still think you'll get better mileage with the 1JZ though...
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Fri, 14 March 2003 05:58
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thanks i'll post some pics when i'm done or something, yeah the 1J would be much easier to put together but wheres the fun in that , and i really don't want to have the internals custom made so if anyone knows anything i'd love to hear about it  i'll continue to search the net until then hoping to find something with 1G internals
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aiken, SC
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Mon, 17 March 2003 19:44
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WOW, nobody that was a surprise
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c'town, NSW
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Mon, 17 March 2003 20:52
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i'm just wanting to be different
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so your going to opt for a engine that has less torque, less HP, is less available, has less aftermarket parts, less documentation on modifications, is less driveable in a heavy MA70?
if thats what it means to be different then i recommend an engine called a 1X, you will find it in a XT130, it has everything you are looking for. 
on a serious note have you considered the trouble and money you will have to go thru to mod the 1G so it performs like a standard 1JZ? wouldnt that money be better spent modding a 7M or 1JZ or some other part of the car?
Its one thing to be different thats fine with me, but its another thing to defy logic just to be different.
0.02c
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aiken, SC
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Mon, 17 March 2003 22:35
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where do you get heavy ma70, my car weighs less than 800 lbs right now i have to drop in the engine , lexan windows, fuel cell, and one peice CF front end. this car will be a rocket with any engine in it and should have close to a 50/50 weight dis. which i'll tweak when i get it almost done. granted it will have less torque before spool but i'm going up in the RPM's so i think that should make up for the loss of displacement and i'll have a much wider powerband, i still have to get the engine so i can do the calculations on that to be 100% sure. i called Weisco about some custom pistons, i'll just go that route, custom rods should be easy i just didn't want to have to go through all the trouble of doing it all custom. a GA70 1G-GTE front clip is about 1/4 the price of a JZA70 1JZ front clip and 1/10 the price of a JZA80 2JZ clip, so after i build up the bottom end it'll still be cheaper that a stock 1JZ and i get to say i have a 1G . To be differant i did think about alot of toyo engine, i was going to do the 3M but finding one would be a problem  thanks for all your help anyway. -Kyle
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Madrid - Spain
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August 2002
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Tue, 18 March 2003 02:37
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For a car of that weight (about 360kg without engine for thoes more metrically inclined), the 1G should be a good size engine.
Most people hear are happy with a simple bleed mod to give about 150kw. I am sure that there is more in the engine with some head and cam work and If it is anything like any of the other factory turbo engines from Toyota, the bottom end will be plenty tough. I think the some of the valve gear (springs??) might be the same as the 4AG engines, so that might be a good place to start lookng. The 4AG's are a similar vintage design, so you may find that some of the internal parts are interchangeable.
Let us know how it all goes for you, I know there will be a few people here with more than a casual interest in these mods.
Good to see someone trying something different to the mainstream.
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November 2002
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Tue, 18 March 2003 05:13
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Most of that gear will probably need to be custom made - eg. forged pistons, aftermarket rods, etc. What you'd need to do is get a sample (ie. pull your engine down) and send the part off the a workshop here and they can probably arrange it. I believe there is a company known as APEP (not 100% sure on the name) that does custom forgies... they would probably be able to put you onto someone who could do the custom rods up.
There's no real aftermarket for the 1GGTE here either as they were never sold here.. they're generally used for a swap into a relatively light (2200lbs) street car, which leaves most people happy with the basic mods like boost/exhaust/intercooler.
As for Japan you'll find they've no doubt moved onto bigger and better things by now. Great engine (I just bought one).. but always remember that being a trendsetter costs you a lot more and generally provides results that others vcan duplicate easily for a fraction of the cost... and then you're not only not original any more, you've also spent a lot of extra money to get there.
Still, good luck with the hunt!
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Tue, 18 March 2003 05:57
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thanks for the advice brisbane, i'm more than happy to share any info on anything i've done with anybody else, provided their not just looking for an easy way out and are serious about doing something, i already know of a couple companies here that can make some custom rods, i called weisco about the forged pistons (if you don't know they make some real nice products) and thats roughly $600 a set but i gotta buy 12 pistons, oh well i'll have an extra set for an overhaul i guess , i dunno about the crank yet, i'll take it to my machine shop guy and see what he thinks it will hold. when i get my GA70 half-cut i'll measure the valves and see if theres any other titanium oversided valves i can make fit, i'll check to see how close the springs are to 7M springs cause i know aftermarket ford 350sb inner springs will fit a 7M and those can be had for dirt cheap here, i'll check out the 4AG top end too. Cams will definetly be the money pit that i'm not looking foward to thanks again for the help, i just thought i'd ask around on the off chance anyone knew anything on the topic to make this easier on me
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Thu, 20 March 2003 00:07
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Err... MORBST has gone through quite a number of blocks....
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Thu, 20 March 2003 03:00
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This is true but I think you'll find that a lot of those bottom ends were sacrificed only when using experimental tuning.
"Yep, that's good.. a bit more... excellent! A bit more... just about right now.. just that little bit *BANG* D'oh!"
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I supported Toymods
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Thu, 20 March 2003 03:16
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I think the fact that he only paid $195 each for them had something to do with that.
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aiken, SC
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Thu, 20 March 2003 04:24
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wow $195 an engine i wish i could get em for that, well i'm having thoughts about other engines now, i won't be doing a 1JZ or 2JZ anytime soon since those are wayyy to far out of my price range for a "starting block" so to speak, so that either leaves the 7m-gte which i could pick up anywhere for practicly nothing, the 1g-gte which is starting to look more and more challenging, maybe a 3s-gte but then i'd have to do alot to make it work in a FR supra, i really don't want to go over 3L cause of the weight and which class i'll be racing in, hmm maybe a mazda 13bt 
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sunny coast, qld
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Thu, 20 March 2003 08:33
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if your car is as light as you say it is, i would stick with the 1G.
Otherwise, go the 7m with metal HG and all the internals done, some big ass turbo, fuel system and good tuning and that would be absolutely insane!
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Wichita, Ks, USA
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Thu, 20 March 2003 22:04
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how about the altezza 3sge? 
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aiken, SC
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Re: 1g-gte internals?
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Thu, 20 March 2003 22:30
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i'm wanting it to be a turbo, all motor would be good but i just like boost 3S-GTE would be good and parts for that are everywhere and easy to find, what kind of FR tranny would mate with that? since the celica is all wheel drive and the mr2 is.. well.. MR,
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