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Sat, 22 March 2003 10:48
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After searching through th old posts I have realised that there isn't all that much info on resprays. Surely there'd be enough information amoungst us all to creat an effective tech article.
It's not really a tech or performance mod ( unless it's red!) but I bet everyone wants to give their car a respray.
I am currently attempting this on my celica and would like, with the help of others to creat an article.
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Sat, 22 March 2003 12:21
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i think thats a pretty good idea, im sure between the hundreds of people here, we can scrape something together about spraypainting your car.
justin
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Sat, 22 March 2003 12:25
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there is probably some good stuff on the net somewhere that you may even be able to just link to.
justin
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Sat, 22 March 2003 13:01
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i got my car resprayed
i dont know much about the process though, sorry guys.
and leaving the car parked anywhere makes me paranoid. dont like people touching my stuff! 
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Sat, 22 March 2003 13:03
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i got my car resprayed
i dont know much about the process though, sorry guys.
and leaving the car parked anywhere makes me paranoid. dont like people touching my stuff!
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Sat, 22 March 2003 13:03
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i got my car resprayed
i dont know much about the process though, sorry guys.
and leaving the car parked anywhere makes me paranoid. dont like people touching my stuff!
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Sat, 22 March 2003 13:07
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oops, sorry about that. 
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Sat, 22 March 2003 16:27
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...i dont want my car resprayed
the body and paint is near perfect(apart from some small spots of rust..but compared with alot of mk2 supras she's clean as a whistle, but in need or a bath which will come tomorrow  )
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Sun, 23 March 2003 02:31
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yeah i think it is a good idea also. it is hard to find good info about respraying on the internet, maybe i just cant find it lol
Daniel
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Sun, 23 March 2003 11:07
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| RA28 wrote on Sat, 22 March 2003 21:48 |
After searching through th old posts I have realised that there isn't all that much info on resprays. Surely there'd be enough information amoungst us all to creat an effective tech article.
It's not really a tech or performance mod ( unless it's red!) but I bet everyone wants to give their car a respray.
I am currently attempting this on my celica and would like, with the help of others to creat an article.
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come to daddy - what do you need to know ?
I can tell you this much...
1) prep work, no matter how long you think you will take to do the job, will take you AGES!
2) sand/paint strip your car, fix rust spots, dings, other shit that you never thought your car needed fixing
3) more sanding, bogging............
4) primer the whole car
I am currently at this stage. I guess all I need to do now is do a once over with wet&dry sandpaper and then off to the booth.
But yeah, steps 2 & 3 are KILLERS.
However you will save a lot 
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Sun, 23 March 2003 12:20
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sure it will save you alot BUT if you went out and worked those hours instead of doing the prep yourself and saved the money you earnt during those hours where you could be prepping, would you come out on top or would you still be losing out on cash?
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Sun, 23 March 2003 21:13
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if a panel beater works for $100/hour and you work for $20-30/hour....you do the math
les is right...99% of a GOOD paint job is prep work, if you give up half way through prep and just decide on painting then you are going to have a really shithouse paintjob
having painted a crapload of cars myself most of the latest in pearl colours (which really shows up small imperfections in the bodywork)...i would advise against using any bog at all, as bog expands and contracts slightly with heat, over time it is only going to show up in the bodywork and leave you with fixing it again
that said unless you can weld id get a panelbeater to get your car straight first and do the rest of the prep yourself, i dont know how bad your car is dinged up but expect to pay $500-$1000 to have all your dings lead filled and hand filed and any rust you need to get cut out and weld bits back in can be extra,dont quote me on the price im not a panelbeater and generally dont asscoiate with them ever, i only know they are hell expensive and one guy can charge ten times what his neighbour is charging and turn out a worse job
then you have to decide whether or not to sand back to bare metal and if you do then do it before it goes to the panel beater as im sure you will discover somebody elses bog job under there somewhere
sometimes i even remove all the interior as well as the engine just to staisfy myself there is no rust and then let the paint protect it anyway
it all depends on how far you want to go, my theory is if im going to spend a week (not all at once,lol) preparing the car for painting and the spend money on painting it, i want to be rewarded for my efforts in the car looking %100
NUMBER ONE RULE: A paintjob is only as good as the surface underneath itself
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Sun, 23 March 2003 22:04
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| Cyber-punk wrote on Sun, 23 March 2003 23:20 |
sure it will save you alot BUT if you went out and worked those hours instead of doing the prep yourself and saved the money you earnt during those hours where you could be prepping, would you come out on top or would you still be losing out on cash?
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I dont work weekends dood, just weekdays 9-5 so there is no opportunity cost for working on the car on weekends for me !
its not just 'losing out on cash' its 'paying someone (a shitload) for something that CAN be done yourself' ...
that said, if i was a richass, i would pay someone to do it
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Mon, 24 March 2003 01:58
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having only just started trying this spraypainting gig out - few tips (i'm using acrylic) - not keen on isocyanide  and don't have well controlled conditions...
1. mask stuff that needs to be masked. where possible - remove the stuff thats in the way. removing masking is/can be a bitch
2. if you use a heavy sandpaper, make sure u use a hi fill to cover up the scratch marks. basically when you hit it with color, EVERY little scratch shows up!
3. use breathing shit and work in a well ventilated environment
4. don't use cheap thinner
5. have a test board/panel you can spray to "check" the fan of the gun.
6. strain the paint going into the gun. ie: mix it in a container and then use a stocking when you pour the paint into the gun container.
7. like les says, its ALL in the prepwork
8. keep all your equipment WAY clean. have something sharp and tiny (precision screwdriver) in case air vent gets blocked on spray gun.
9. drain compressor and drop water trap on regulator. drain water from air compressor tank.
i could go on but i won't. its not too hard of a job, it just takes ALOT of patience and it is ALOT of work BUT its very rewarding :
from this :
to this
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Wed, 26 March 2003 05:03
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I'm still removing the old paint, I am sandblasting with a little compressor attachment back to metal. I really only want to know about spraying the colour, tricks to get a good finish, I've heard that when spraying metalics you can mix it into the clear to make it look "deeper" is this a good idea??
I am painting ford galaxie blue (met) in acrylic
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Wed, 26 March 2003 06:38
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It is rare for a backyard job to look good, It takes years to learn how to paint a car well. Do your self a favour , find a pro to give advice on the prep and pay him to apply colour + clear coats in a booth.
use a good 4:1 primer - dont skimp on the quality here, the coverage and fill it will give you will save lots of paint defects later (pinholes etc).
the guys are right about prep though - you cant do enough.
Every single repsray these days has bog init. No matter what you think even brand new panels - factory original parts can sometimes need a thin skin of filler to get them up to scratch.
how do you think all those show cars are so straight - noone file finishes anymore - its all filler.
Bog is OK when applied by a pro - in the right way - you wont get shrinkback.
GOOD LUCK - you will need it.
Matt
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Wed, 26 March 2003 08:02
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What sorta info do you want???
My mate is a spray painter and he might be able to give a bit of info...
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Thu, 27 March 2003 06:28
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Does Anyone know what kinda of pay spray painters get?
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Thu, 27 March 2003 08:49
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1. auto painters (certified and good at it) get paid well
but not well enough to really justify the hell the chems do to your body
2. doing it yourself is more about sayin "I did that" than saving a few bucks.
3. OTOH, ppl like me will take more time and care than the average beater to straighten the tiny door dings and such... better finish
4. no-one has mentioned longboarding
5. to see what you are doing, dust the primer with a contrast color (I use flat black cheap paint) to show up highs and lows
6. after you think you have it all straight, sand the primer wet, up to 1000grit - smoother is better - use a block
7. after each color coat (2 or 3 of color, 3 or 4 of clear, depending) inspect - easier to repair in stages than AFTER
8. before clearing the car, go 1000 or better, wet, and *look* at it, take a worklight and make sure the gloss of the paint is flattenned all over!
9. over all - decide how picky you are going to be before you get into it. Nuthin like looking at sweeeet paint, and seeing ripples or un-fixed rust. You can lay better paint over a poor paint if the body is rail-straight. The metal is the thing, do your bestest on getting it straight - if you don't, you will kick yourself later!
10. ****** Primer is cheap! ****** do not be afraid to lay it on heavy and sand it off (like 400 or so) lotsa dust everywhere, but the slightest ripple or wave in the metal (not deep enough to bog) can be flattenned by primer work. Straight is straight!
Oh, and sandblasting weakens the metal - every bead that hits the metal dents (work-hardens) the surface, after a while, it's like bending a wire too many times - it will crack. It is extremes that show this, but I just wanted to warn you. Use your attachment to powder blast (ask a shop - they will get you the right stuff) This (I feel) is important on old metal.
I have developed my ability with sprays to the point that I have done small panels (mortocycle) with *spray bombs*! And good enought for a show! I was verrrrrah happy aboot that.
I'm in the midst of cleaning up some minors on the MA47 right now, but I'm limited for resources, so it'll just be a de-rusting to make the car look good in the lanes this year.
Hoping for a garage for the winter to prep it right for next year!
Have fun. Paint, *good* paint, is an addictive passtime!
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Sat, 29 March 2003 07:21
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i'm with you on point 2! spot on. to say i did that is most enjoyable. even my shoddy engine bay people are impressed (not bad for an IT junky i reckon)
my in law got his car back today, he paid mega $$$$$$ for his paint job - and, i dunno personally i think its pretty average - i spose now seeing what happens when you spray you can find the faults really easy real quick...
still at least the car looks better than it did.
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Sun, 30 March 2003 03:01
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Yeah!
It looks good from the (one) pic you posted.. lol
What is that color anyway????
Solid Gold Anodize???
wooot!
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Re: spray painting tech articles
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Sun, 30 March 2003 12:25
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i think the code is 250...just the color my TA22 came in...i used a grey undercoat instead of the red oxide it should be hence its lighter...
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