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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Sun, 13 July 2003 07:40
 
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Fri, 20 June 2003 12:02 |
Who ever said the XR6 Turbo was an all out sports car? If it was it'd have the stiffer suspension of the FPV GT.
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Its already in the works + a greater boosted version of the xr6 from fpv ( 9 poiund of boost instead of 6 - the gt suspension , larger intercooler etc )
that was the guineapig car they used at targa tasmania running these specs - that came 10th outright !! I think theres also a better gearbox option from the xr8 being nutted out as well in the fpv version
Also - anyone seen the supercharger kits for the BA xr8 ?
340KW - 400kw of engine power produced within motor limits in a bolt on kit form !
try and take that on nark 
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Perth
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November 2002
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Sun, 13 July 2003 13:48
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I can't believe people dissing the new xr6/xr8. 9 out of 10 motoring journalists that drive it say they are awesome. And these guys drive porsches, bimmers, mercs and all manner of jap cars. I think they know their cars pretty well and could speak with alot more authority then any of us could.
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sunshine coast
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April 2003
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 14 July 2003 12:36
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At least ford are doing something a bit different to the crap old tech pushrod V8 engines.AND......its got a turbo hanging off it.anything new like that i support,instead of the crap that they have running in the super car series at the moment.never know, we might see a bathurst of the future with other makes of cars besides ford and holden ,if ford push the turbo idea in australia.
Nark i would like to see you on the track against an XR6T , it being a family car and all.And its a bit unfair to try and match up the 1uz-fe engine with the xr6t engine.toyota poured upwards of 1 billion in R&D into the 1uz alone. ford oz i doubt has that kind of money laying around. 
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Sydney, NSW
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 15 July 2003 07:03
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You won't be able to go off at those pushrod engines for much longer...
Apparently, Holden has designed the new motor for the VZ... It's an all alloy, quad cam motor and looks quite nice...
I'm not to sure of the power figures though...
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Perth
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November 2002
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 15 July 2003 07:26
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Their new 6 is supposed to be pretty impressive too. I just hope they get back to some decent styling and perhaps fix some of the reliability faults that have dogged them over the past 4 or 5 models.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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 Re: XR6 Turbo
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Tue, 15 July 2003 23:45
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| Classique71 wrote on Sun, 13 July 2003 17:40 |
340KW - 400kw of engine power produced within motor limits in a bolt on kit form !
try and take that on nark
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I'll race it to the next service station....
| guerillagabes wrote on Mon, 14 July 2003 22:36 |
Nark i would like to see you on the track against an XR6T , it being a family car and all.And its a bit unfair to try and match up the 1uz-fe engine with the xr6t engine.toyota poured upwards of 1 billion in R&D into the 1uz alone. ford oz i doubt has that kind of money laying around.
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I'd like to have a chance to humiliate one on the track too.
And I wasn't the one that draged the 1UZ-FE into the conversation. 
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Adelaide, SA
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May 2002
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 16 July 2003 12:34
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Rolla Boy: The new V6 from holden is likely to be the GM engine from the Cadillac CTS - in std trim is a quad cam 3.6Lt with variable valve timing pushing out 190kW at 6,200rpm (6,500rpm limiter!) with max torque of 339Nm at 3,200rpm. Apparently would be easily bored to to 3.8 Lt to net 200kW. It's kind comforting to see the General "get with times" about 15 years too late!
I would like to give the Supra a run against the Ford - you can diss it's 6000 rpm redline and family car stylings but at the end of the day it's 4.0L of capacity, with reasonable breathing ability from the twin cam head, and has a sizeable turbo on it - even at 6psi it pushes out 240kW so should be a bit of a contender.
However it still has the same block from 1960!. I doubt it is going to last with higher rpm or higher boost.....
And as I am fond of saying about both holden and fords - you can put a big v8/turbo 6 in it, you can add a 6sp gearbox, 18inch rims, big exhaust, bodykit and lower it, own t-shirts and caps with it's picture on it, but it'll still just be a falcon 
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 17 July 2003 03:08
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Here's a conversion to save weight.
The XR6 turbo engine with 15psi into a TF Cortina.  Saves about 600kg straight away.
Minds you that's all it'd prolly drive, no corners.
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mona vale,northern beache...
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April 2003
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 17 July 2003 05:08
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was drivin my mates s1 rx7 (13bt) through brookvale about a month or so before they released the turbo6,had a drag with one of those b4 liberty things and walked all over him then straight up at the next set of lights a xr6 wanted a run (the guy driving had a brookvale ford shirt on-prob. wanted to see what it could do)got the jump on him at the lights of about half a car length and he stuck with me all the way through to 4th,needless to say he got the nod of respect from me.
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July 2002
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Fri, 18 July 2003 03:53
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| Rolla Boy wrote on Tue, 15 July 2003 17:03 |
You won't be able to go off at those pushrod engines for much longer...
Apparently, Holden has designed the new motor for the VZ... It's an all alloy, quad cam motor and looks quite nice...
I'm not to sure of the power figures though...
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haha, i thought holden haven't designed an engine since the backfire!
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Wollongong
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July 2002
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 23 July 2003 13:14
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For the record I had an old pushrod ford 6 that would pull 6k, I know of several that would go past that happily and one that would go to 9 (didn't make any power past 6500 but thats not the point).
That was with motor tech that is 30-40 years old (actually probably a lot more than that, when did pushrods start?), you are kidding yourself if you think that a new breed motor with all the technology currently available won't go past 6k.
Why don't they? Probably because they don't need to and they have room to grow should they need it.
There is no dount that its bloated, but look at any current car that isn't an out and out sports car. They are all luxobarges these days.
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Thu, 24 July 2003 08:06
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| mr supra wrote on Wed, 23 July 2003 23:14 |
you are kidding yourself if you think that a new breed motor with all the technology currently available won't go past 6k.
Why don't they? Probably because they don't need to and they have room to grow should they need it.
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So, by that logic, the F20C engine in the S2000 should easily be able to rev past 9k.
This is a Ford engine we're talking about. They've only just discovered DOHC and IRS..... 
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Colac, Victoria
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Fri, 25 July 2003 09:22
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maybe in australia - but how many cosworth heads have you seen on escorts + sierras - i think hmm - 1969 was the earliest one - post 2tg! rs1800 anyone ? THE rallycar of the age.
up until recently - australia have been hapy commonwhore loving bogans that put mighty big torque numbers ( ie ht gts monaro , gtho falcons ) as the top of the foodchain . with the exception of the XU1 torana every performance car has been torquey beefy and ballzy
that us until things like the WRX , rx7 etc came into the game and started nibbling away at the performance market niche they had, hence fords final pull finger out of thy arse effort to go turbo and twin cam ..
no ones happy with big slow taxicabs anymore , why do you think HSV and now the BA xr's and GT's are in high demand - for one reaon - they FINALLY have pulled their finger out
quad cam V8's in the falcon - Hmms - Soarer had it 10 years ago with its 4lt - but only rich guys on lexus .. Now in a FALCON - they can be dicky johnson again - and roar around thinking they are bathurst hero's.
ford is way behind the technology ballgame compared to the jap crap out there atm - and well - to be honest - whats toyota thrown into the " sportscar " ranks of late ? A tated up corolla with a bodykit - and a grandma car ( camry ) with alloys
to me id rather invest in a Xr6 turbo if i was to buy a new sportscar than ANY toyota out on the block atm .. the only toyotas that get even a YAY from me - is the supra or the 205 GT4's from the last 5 years from toyota , the rest are pure and utter boringmobiles for the american " look at me i have a bodykit and no balls " market.
once again - good on ford for doing SOMETHING to inspire interest
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Sun, 27 July 2003 23:32
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I thought the s2000 went past 9k anyway? and if it doesn't well it bloody should.I reckon my FJ20 would near go to 9 and its 20 years old!
This is a Ford engine we're talking about. They've only just discovered DOHC and IRS.....
Is that bias I hear Nark? Without wanting to sound like some righteous defender of the faith, you would be silly to underestimate the turbo motor, 300rwkw in what is really a very mild state of tune is nothing to sneeze at.
won't beat my skyline though..bwaahahahahahaaaa*drool*
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 28 July 2003 00:40
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| Classique71 wrote on Fri, 25 July 2003 19:22 |
up until recently - australia have been hapy commonwhore loving bogans that put mighty big torque numbers ( ie ht gts monaro , gtho falcons ) as the top of the foodchain . with the exception of the XU1 torana every performance car has been torquey beefy and ballzy
that us until things like the WRX , rx7 etc came into the game and started nibbling away at the performance market niche they had, hence fords final pull finger out of thy arse effort to go turbo and twin cam ..
no ones happy with big slow taxicabs anymore , why do you think HSV and now the BA xr's and GT's are in high demand - for one reaon - they FINALLY have pulled their finger out
quad cam V8's in the falcon - Hmms - Soarer had it 10 years ago with its 4lt - but only rich guys on lexus .. Now in a FALCON - they can be dicky johnson again - and roar around thinking they are bathurst hero's.
ford is way behind the technology ballgame compared to the jap crap out there atm - and well - to be honest - whats toyota thrown into the " sportscar " ranks of late ? A tated up corolla with a bodykit - and a grandma car ( camry ) with alloys
to me id rather invest in a Xr6 turbo if i was to buy a new sportscar than ANY toyota out on the block atm .. the only toyotas that get even a YAY from me - is the supra or the 205 GT4's from the last 5 years from toyota , the rest are pure and utter boringmobiles for the american " look at me i have a bodykit and no balls " market.
once again - good on ford for doing SOMETHING to inspire interest
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Looking at this post, I'd say it represents a good pointer as to why most of us are here! I got asked the question this morning as to why, instead of spending so much money on the Cressida, that I didn't just buy a Commodore or something similar...I explained that my car will (eventually) hammer most Commdores into submission, while still being comfortable to drive, and will last longer to boot...oh, and it's also am bit "individual"... (Had an interesting conversation with a GEN3-powered R8 owner on Saturday...The litany of problems he's had)! *laughs*
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Cabramatta, NSW
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Mon, 28 July 2003 05:06
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| mr supra wrote on Mon, 28 July 2003 09:32 |
Is that bias I hear Nark?
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Of course it is! This is a Toyota forum! 
If anyone hadn't noticed before. I hate Falcadores...
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Wollongong
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July 2002
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Re: XR6 Turbo
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Wed, 30 July 2003 12:19
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Glad we cleared that up then 
Pity I own a nissan these days....
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