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Tercel conversions
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Wed, 26 March 2003 00:24
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Anyone done some conversions on a Corolla Tercel?
Ron (GF's Dad who I helped do my conversion) swapped the 3AC for a 4AC. Took him less than a day and that was transferring everything from the 3AC.
Had to transfer:
sump
alternator
water pump
fuel pump
air cleaner
engine mounts
He did the conversion on saturday, registered it on monday and drove it to Brisbane tuesday.
He also stripped the interior, and put in new carpet lining, cleaned the old carpet unbelieavably well (was black, now is blue!) and cleaned the seats. And the conversion was done with a block and tackle winch on a tree branch! I woke up at 11am and he was bolting it in. 30 mins later (after the fuelpump switch) we were driving it round the empty block next to his house.
Wonder how strong the transmission & transfer case is on those things. Would it take a 4AG-ZE (slightly heaver car, so extra torque would be good).
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 26 March 2003 00:25
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From all accounts its pretty spindly, wouldn't want to be pushing too much torque through it. Ideally you'd probably be better off with a 20v...
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 26 March 2003 08:09
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pete
from what i have heard the tercel has a soft as drive line and would struggle with a 4age let alone a 4agze
there was a guy at dyno day who had a 20v in his, i think is having problems with it atm
would be good if they could handle a 4agte in them imagine how many people in the club would have them instead of there corollas!!!
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 26 March 2003 21:10
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hmmm, would it be safe to say that if you put a GT4 engine and box into one of them, custom tailshaft, then the only weak point would be the rear diff?
any idea if theres room to stick a stronger diff in the back?
it would be a nice light little screamer if u replace the weak driveline with GT4 gear.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 27 March 2003 01:46
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The Tercels have a North-South engine, with the driveline going down the middle of the car.
GT4s have an East-West engine, not sure if the driveline goes down the middle though.
Pretty much its like a Landrover, but smaller. Has transfer case, then gearbox.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 27 March 2003 02:42
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ive been looking on the net and have found a pic of an AE104 4WD corolla with an east west 4A-FE engine in it.
http://www.ridhaa.com/user/details.php?VehicleId=3 40&Pid=1247¤cy_id=1
the thing is the latest model tercel ive seen in Oz is the AE95 (i think) and im pretty sure they come with the 4A-FE in east west config as well.
can 4x420v confirm this?
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 27 March 2003 02:50
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I'm pretty sure that all the 4wd corolla wagons we got had a live rear axle, so fixing the diff shouldn't be a problem.
I think the 80's square Tercel had north-south engine, while the rounder later one has an east-west engine.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 14 May 2003 14:20
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I got an ae95. yes they have east west engine.
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Auckland, New Zealand
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October 2002
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 14 May 2003 20:57
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Ive got an AE115 with 7AFE (well - its was when i got it - its now a 7AFTE) which is the newer shape 4wd tercel (called a "carib" in the Jap Domestic Market). Not sure if you have those over there in OZ or not?
Its got an east-west engine config.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 15 May 2003 04:02
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yeah pete i think you are unfortunately stuck there. The North West 4WD configuration i would assume is a bit limiting in the power you can apply to it. Even the East West 4WD corolla has pretty damn small running gear.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 15 May 2003 04:10
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What do you mean stuck? Its got a 4AC in there now, and its been sold (for a nice profit).
Whether the driveline could take the mighty power of the 4AC is someone elses problem now.
I really only started this thread (a while ago) to show off Ron's abilities of engine implanting, and the ease of changing stuff with the Toyota engines of similar codes (ie. *AC)
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 15 May 2003 05:35
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has anyone put a 4agze into an ae95? i know someone has put a 20v 4age into a ae95. also if the 4agze can go in without major modifications what can be done about the weak driveline? replace with gt4 items?
thanks
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 15 May 2003 06:41
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Hey
I have been wondering about this 4AGZE into AE95 4WD wagon..........
I think that they would drop in blockwise, but the gearbox won't fit, as the gearbox is quite different to the FWD models, but I'm not sure, i've seen a couple of AE95 4WD wagons up on hoists, but didn't get to have a good look at them...........
I found an AE95 4WD wagon for $2800!! it was in very good nick bodywise, and only had a cracked windscreen, if only i had the money like 5k I'd have bought the car, and frontcut and just done it!!!!
Bugger 
Nilezy
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 15 May 2003 07:50
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do you guys not have AE114's and AE115's 4wd wagons over on OZ?
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 15 May 2003 21:09
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I spose we wouldnt have got them either if we didnt import used cars from the Japanese Domestic Market...
You can pick up a 96-97 sprinter carib (AE114[1600cc] or AE115[1800cc]) with about 80k on the clock in an auto for about 8500-9K or a manual one for about 10,000-12,000 over here (all figures NZ dollars).
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 15 May 2003 23:56
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Hey
We did get 4WD tarago's, they are the RV version, the top of the line, and they are full time 4WD like the crusier, and the RAV4.
I want one, but they are expensive and not that common....
Nilezy
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Thu, 15 May 2003 23:58
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Excuse my ignorance but whats a "tarago" ?
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Fri, 16 May 2003 00:47
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Toyota passenger van, but it has different names elsewhere... Lucida, Emina and Previa spring to mind. My parents have a grey-import Lucida which is AWD and turbo diesel. It also contains every gadget known to man!
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Fri, 16 May 2003 11:44
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A few years ago i was reading the trading post and there was a tercel with a 4AG turbo for sale. it didnt have a big description, but i guess someones done it beofre. How long the driveline help up is another qn. It was in penrith.
NiCk...
FLU77R..
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Sat, 17 May 2003 21:00
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| Norbie wrote on Fri, 16 May 2003 10:47 |
Toyota passenger van, but it has different names elsewhere... Lucida, Emina and Previa spring to mind. My parents have a grey-import Lucida which is AWD and turbo diesel. It also contains every gadget known to man!
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It's just the Estima/Previa/Tarago... not the thinner Emina/Lucida thought they sorta looked the same side on.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Tue, 23 November 2004 09:47
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erin and i were considering one so that we had something with a little more cargo capacity then an aw11 (ie any cargo space  )
but we really would like something that had a bit of towing capacity... say towing an mr2 on a trailer.
reading the specs they say the towing capacity is 1000kg any thoughts on wether we could bring this up with some tougher springs, bigger brakes and perhaps a SC12 on the 4afe ? would the drive train hold it ? perhaps with a gearbox oil cooler, engine oil cooler, bigger radiator etc ?
id figure we'd need what around 1600kg towing capacity. 1100kg mr2 plus 200kg trailer plus spare wheels, parts, track stuff in the back of the wagon..
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Tue, 23 November 2004 11:18
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id figure we'd need what around 1600kg towing capacity. 1100kg mr2 plus 200kg trailer plus spare wheels, parts, track stuff in the back of the wagon..
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What sort of car trailer weighs only 200kg? I know AW11's are small, but do they fit in a box trailer??
I was misled by Toyota to believe that the towing capacity of my 2002 camry was 1600kg, then found out after purchasing it that its actually only 1200kg, but the tow-pack is rated to 1600 
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Tue, 23 November 2004 13:26
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 24 November 2004 10:10
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ok so figure what 300-400kgs for the trailer. so it'd need to handle around 1600ish.
im sure with an sc12 and some bigger stoppers it'd handle it ok. perhaps some stiffer springs.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 24 November 2004 12:06
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I know that the trailers I usually hire weigh more like 600-650kg Have seen much lighter custom ones though, rather than the generic ones made to carry old shitter holdens & fords  Fortunately our cars aren't that big.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Sun, 26 December 2004 06:37
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I just want to confirm to everyone that has asked: "how will the ae95 gearbox hold up to any more power??"
When i did my conversion, the gearbox had just hit 300,000klms and ive had absolutely no problems or noises from the gearbox and/or diff when i did my 4agze conversion; let alone with the 4agte with 14psi running through it (as above)
Which is why im about to do another 4agze conversion as soon as i sell my lancer wagon.
Id love to see more ae95conversions, they're cheaper than the ae95 because you only need the engine, not the whole half cut.
so those of you who have been wanting to do it, go for it!!!
lars:)
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Sun, 26 December 2004 09:09
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| tbowgn1 wrote on Sun, 26 December 2004 17:37 |
I just Id love to see more ae95conversions, they're cheaper than the ae95 because you only need the engine, not the whole half cut.
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man i so wanted to do a 4age (small port or 20v) conversion... but im not sure if im up to it... what things do i have to look out for? would i need like a new fuel pump? could i still use the aircon? etc...
cheers
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Mon, 27 December 2004 03:11
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| tbowgn1 wrote on Sun, 26 December 2004 14:37 |
I just want to confirm to everyone that has asked: "how will the ae95 gearbox hold up to any more power??"
When i did my conversion, the gearbox had just hit 300,000klms and ive had absolutely no problems or noises from the gearbox and/or diff when i did my 4agze conversion; let alone with the 4agte with 14psi running through it (as above)
Which is why im about to do another 4agze conversion as soon as i sell my lancer wagon.
Id love to see more ae95conversions, they're cheaper than the ae95 because you only need the engine, not the whole half cut.
so those of you who have been wanting to do it, go for it!!!
lars:)
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Doesn't the standard AE95 4AFE motor have a cutout in the block to fit the transfer case? If so, how did you get around this with fitting a 4AGZE motor in there?
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Mon, 27 December 2004 06:52
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get creative with a angle grinder? 
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Mon, 27 December 2004 08:17
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ok:
tercel= el series, same as corolla 2.
i think where u guys are getting confused is toyota oz used the jdm name for the first tercels in oz, the ones with the north south engine are the el series.
then they were replaced with corolla based (ae) tercels (caribs in jdm)
its estima, the lucida/emina is different specs.
thats why you get estima lucidas, or estima eminas
they are #cr10 or #cr21. have not yet figured out what denotes a "widebody" version. they dont interest me that much!
the tranfer cases on the 4wd corollas mount to the g/box. not the engine block
some times i pity you guys, here in nz we get sooo many imports!
makes it easier for info and parts! 
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Mon, 27 December 2004 08:40
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i thing im really after is a kp61 starlet
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Tue, 28 December 2004 04:42
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the only slight difference (compared to the ae95 conversion) is that to fit the supercharger, you'll have to remove the 'diff-lock' which is easy; and also you will have to use a grinder to shave part of the sump and transfercase to fit together, just about 5-6mil.
and yes, you can keep your air-con.
and my standard fuel pump was fine up to 12psi with the turbo!!
anything else??
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Tue, 28 December 2004 05:33
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where is the diff lock? is it on the transfer case someplace?
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Tue, 28 December 2004 08:36
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i only know its underneath where the gze s/charger sits, on the n/westerten side of the engine bay. easy to get rid of tho. you can keep it if your not putting that engine in tho.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Tue, 28 December 2004 13:05
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mines rooted 
im thinking of droping a 20v or 4age 100kw, wat are things to consider (like the cutaway section, ecu/loom bits, size...)?
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 29 December 2004 08:01
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why wouldn't you put in the 4agze?? if your considering a 20valve, its the same $$ for the engine??
As i said above, its all the same as a normal conversion, and you'll know where to grind off when you connect the two together.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Wed, 12 January 2005 21:43
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| tbowgn1 wrote on Mon, 27 December 2004 20:42 |
the only slight difference (compared to the ae95 conversion) is that to fit the supercharger, you'll have to remove the 'diff-lock' which is easy; and also you will have to use a grinder to shave part of the sump and transfercase to fit together, just about 5-6mil.
and yes, you can keep your air-con.
and my standard fuel pump was fine up to 12psi with the turbo!!
anything else??
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I'm considering buying an AE95 (Corolla Alltrac wagon here in Canada) and transplanting a 4agze from an AE101 Levin GTZ into it. The product would hopefully be a fun/practical/reliable daily driver. After reading your post though, I have a couple questions:
We get lots of snow here in winter, and I might need to lock the diff to get un-stuck sometimes. If I have to remove the 'diff-lock', do you think there is another way to set it up so that I can lock it still, and have the supercharger fit ok? I'm wondering if there would be enough room for me to setup up some sort of custom manual equivalent to the push button diff lock?
Also, I've heard that the AE101 4agze version does already have the notch in the block that you had to shave off. Did you use an AE92 or AE101 4agze?
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Sun, 03 April 2005 13:32
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http://www.turbocorolla.com/cars/larsc.htm
looks like it was a ae101, i was after something different to do and i think this converion is it. tbowgn1, when you say you just need the engine, thats including ecu and wiring loom ay ?
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Re: Tercel conversions
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Sun, 03 April 2005 22:09
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tercel power!
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