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Blaze
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18RGEU EFI Questions Fri, 04 April 2003 10:44 Go to next message
Hi there,

I am doing the 18rc to 18RGEU conversion and just have a few questions that I need to find the answers for. I have a carbie engine that I am putting the efi manifold and other gear onto. the trouble is i have a few things missing.

One is a valve of sorts the hav a 2 wire connector to it and a few hoses from the intake chamber. What is this for? I guessed that it has to do with cold starting. do I need this? One reason for going efi is for easier starting. so if this help I will get one from a early camry which has one and is the same model I am using the ECu from (2SE).I don't have a picture of the valve assembly but in the picture below,the hose coming from the throttle body goes underneath the plenum towards the head and then connects to the bottom of this valve.

http://users.tpg.com.au/desblaze/a18rgeu1.jpg

The second Question is related to the ECU. From a diagram I found on the net for the 2SE(below) it doesn't have an Oxygen sensor??? But it does has pinouts for a vacumm switching valve. I take it that this is what I am after. Also this car was made around 1985. But the original ECU for the 18rgeu had one. Another thing is I found some infomation on the error codes for my ECU. In this it states an error code for th O2 sensor?
pinout diagram of 2SE
http://users.tpg.com.au/desblaze/ToyEFI_Pins_2S-E.gif
Can someone shed some light on this for me.

P.S that is not a pic of my engine

[Updated on: Fri, 04 April 2003 10:46]

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BansheeBuzz
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sat, 05 April 2003 22:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The valve you are talking about sounds like the air bypass valve which is used for cold starting.

As for the diagram, do some more searching. They can change from country to country. Another thing if it has come off a leaded vehicle, chances are it never had an o2 sensor.
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blackRA28
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sun, 06 April 2003 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
That picture is of my motor before it went in..
I am not running an o2 sensor, the engine didnt come with an exhaust manifold and i have extractors, im not sure off the top of my head if the 18rgeu ECU uses one.. (anyone ??)
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sun, 06 April 2003 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yes, the 18R-GEU comes with an O2 sensor from the factory. In fact all EFI Toyota engines came with O2 sensors, with the exception of a few engines which were modified for Australian conditions in the early 80's since we didn't have unleaded fuel back then.
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Blaze
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sun, 06 April 2003 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well I did a bit of rooting around at the wreckers and I found out that the Camry that had the 2S-c with a carbie had an Oxygen sensor. it actually had an emission control computer. I looked in the same place on the efi engine and it wasn't there. So I take it that it didn't have one. so I am leaving it off.
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Steve M
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Fri, 06 June 2003 03:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The oxygen sensor on the efi models, as far as I have found is on the exhaust manifold, at least it is on the 18rgeu manifold that we've got.
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Fri, 06 June 2003 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
what car did the 2se come in? on my efi 18r-g i used a pre 85 22r computer and harness. the only mod is you half to extend the water temp wire about 6 inches. i used the old 22r stuff because the ecu is real basic, it has no rev limiter, fuel cut off, etc. maybe the 2se is like that also, i have never herd of it.
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sat, 07 June 2003 03:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wiseman.. you said you are using the 22re computer + loom from an 85 model.. is do you or anybody know if the 86 efi computer and loom is the same... also wiseman does it run the dizzy or is that a different thing again?(assuming you are using electronic ignition) i have found an 86 corona with 22re still got loom and also where do you find the computer inside the coronas?
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sat, 07 June 2003 04:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
You have to make sure you get the analog type EFI components. I am not sure when it changed over but the 85-86 sound about right. The 22re come out with both. the later has the knock sensor. an easy way to check is to look at the Trottle Positioning Sensor (TPS). If it has 3 wires it is the old analog. that just measures idle, or open. If it has 4 wires it is the later. with 4 wires it measures with a potentometer across the whole range.

it might have a few more diffences that I am not aware of.

by the way the ECU should be in behind the glove box. attached to the underside of the dash.

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BansheeBuzz
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sat, 07 June 2003 05:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
celicaboy - you the 86 model stuff is no good for you because toyota efi went to tccs. You need 85 and prior which is the anolog efi
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sat, 07 June 2003 07:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ok kewl thanx guys anybody knwo of any pre 86 computers from 22r or 2se?Razz
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sat, 07 June 2003 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the cars you are looking for are the RT-142 corona, and the SV-11 camry.. with the 22R-E and 2S-E respectively.
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sun, 08 June 2003 01:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sorry i didnt get back sooner, we have a huge time difference. i used the 81-84 22r-e (celicas in usa) reason being, it is a real basic computer it dosent have a fuel cut or rev limiter. and that is good with the 18r-g's, they rev alot higher than the 22r. the 81-84 22r-e is a 2 plug computer(instead of 3) and dosent have a knock senser. just extend the water temp. gauge wire and thats it. the 22r throttle boby will even bolt to the 18r-g manifold, use 4a-ge blue top injectors, and lean the 22r afm and it will run real good.
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Sun, 08 June 2003 03:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ok kewl thanx mate Smile
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Mon, 09 June 2003 03:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
will the 2c wireing loom be compatible with the 22r pre 86 computer and afm?
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Mon, 09 June 2003 03:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
firstly, what is the 2C?
Im assuming you are referring to the 2S-E (from an SV-11 Camry).... in which case the loom is not a "bolt in" solution like the 22R-E loom, since the car is comes from is a FWD. That said though, there is nothing stopping you adapting the loom to suit.... although it would be easier to just source the 22R-E loom.
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Mon, 09 June 2003 03:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
aah eyah the 2s lol sorry... the s2 loom will plug into the 22r-e computer? and run the same?
i cant find any 22r-e ones anywhere only an 86 one.. will that work on the 84 22r-e computer? other then that i can only find 2 2s ones
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Mon, 09 June 2003 06:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
the plugs may be the same - i can check for you tomorrow. The 86 has three ecu plug but two of them may plug in and then you will have to mod the harness
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Re: 18RGEU EFI Questions Mon, 09 June 2003 07:38 Go to previous message
ok kewl thanx mate
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