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Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Mon, 07 April 2003 08:44
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no.
u need one from a TT manual soarer.
which are quite hard to come by...
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Mon, 07 April 2003 09:21
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>no. u need one from a TT manual soarer. which are quite hard to come by... <
WHAT? What planet are you on? YES you can use the 5 speed from behind the 2JZGE and YES you can use the 6 speed from the 2JZGTE.
Both of these will bolt straight to the motor. You will need the flywheel and clutch setup that came with the box as well as (most likely) a custom tailshaft. You may need to alter the gearbox crossmember - again it's not really that common a swap so it's just a matter of doing it and seeing how it lines up... and working from there.
Not sure about tunnel clearance. The 5 Speed will fit easily, the 6sp will be fairly close but should go with no or maybe minimal complication.
The 5 speed from a 1JZGTE is still the easiest solution though.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Mon, 07 April 2003 10:46
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I have never seen one, but word is that VVT-i soarers could be optioned with a V161.(JZA80 6 Speed) I have heard there are a few of these cars in the country.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Mon, 07 April 2003 21:59
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It's not factory, but there's one kicking around on the coast with a 6 speed behind it... rego plates are CCN00 or something like that. It was featured in zoom a while back if I remember. So they definitely fit.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Tue, 08 April 2003 07:31
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| 7M-Brisbane wrote on Mon, 07 April 2003 19:21 |
>no. u need one from a TT manual soarer. which are quite hard to come by... <
WHAT? What planet are you on? YES you can use the 5 speed from behind the 2JZGE and YES you can use the 6 speed from the 2JZGTE.
Both of these will bolt straight to the motor. You will need the flywheel and clutch setup that came with the box as well as (most likely) a custom tailshaft. You may need to alter the gearbox crossmember - again it's not really that common a swap so it's just a matter of doing it and seeing how it lines up... and working from there.
Not sure about tunnel clearance. The 5 Speed will fit easily, the 6sp will be fairly close but should go with no or maybe minimal complication.
The 5 speed from a 1JZGTE is still the easiest solution though.
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you will still need a bellhousing and shifter to fit though...
from a manual soarer...no? if so, wouldn't it be far easiler to source both together?
then again, maybe i'm wrong and misread it somewhere...
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Tue, 08 April 2003 07:50
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AFAIC, the Supra is based on the Soarer Floor pan. Therefore the shifter position is the same.
The bellhousing between a 2J and 1J is the same. (if you are paying +$3500 for a box, i'd want the bellhousing.)
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Tue, 08 April 2003 08:46
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So whos gona donate me $3500??? 
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Tue, 08 April 2003 10:37
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I donm't profess to know everything, but if you don't know what you're talking about, can you PLEASE not give advice to people?
Anything that bolts onto a 1JZ will bolt onto a 2JZ and versa.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Tue, 08 April 2003 11:22
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i nv did say i know everything...
and i nv said that anything about a 1JZ not being able to bolt onto a 2JZ.
neither did i say that the box from a supra is not compatible to a soarer.
i only indicated that you need a bellhousing and shifter from a manual soarer if you are getting a r154 box from a MKIII supra.
and that if so, its better to get the box from a manual soarer since you will need the bellhousing and shifter anyway.
the only mistake i made was that I misread the title.
I had thought that the conversion was from a MKIII, since its not as straightforward as bolting it in.
any inconvenience caused is regretted.
7M-brisbane : I apologise for misinformation and misunderstanding. Thank u 4 correcting me.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 08:33
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I have been enquiring about putting a getrag 6 speed into my 1988 toyota supra. Technically the 6 speed is EXACTLY the same as the R154 5 speed, except it has an extra overdrive for top end speed. There is little, if any difference in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear with the R154 5 speed and Getrag 6 speed. This was relayed to me by a mechanic who built, and used to work on a Production racecar JZA80 RZ supra with a 6 speed getrag gearbox.
So why would you spend an extra $2,000 on a 6 speed, when it is only for top end speed, over 200km/hour, not for low down acceleration ???
This is only what I have heard, so dont shoot the messenger if you have heard different.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:01
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| freakysoarer wrote on Tue, 08 April 2003 21:22 |
i nv did say i know everything...
and i nv said that anything about a 1JZ not being able to bolt onto a 2JZ.
(blah blah blah)
i only indicated that you need a bellhousing and shifter from a manual soarer if you are getting a r154 box from a MKIII supra.
and that if so, its better to get the box from a manual soarer since you will need the bellhousing and shifter anyway.
the only mistake i made was that I misread the title.
(blah blah blah)
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Erm... just so that you know.. the part that allows a gearbox to BOLT to an engine is the bellhousing. So if a box bolts up that means that the bellhousing is right. So why, if the box bolts up, would you need the other bellhousing?
One from a JZA70 Mk3 Supra would bolt up too.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:08
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| SUPRA MAN wrote on Wed, 09 April 2003 18:33 |
I have been enquiring about putting a getrag 6 speed into my 1988 toyota supra. Technically the 6 speed is EXACTLY the same as the R154 5 speed, except it has an extra overdrive for top end speed. There is little, if any difference in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear with the R154 5 speed and Getrag 6 speed. This was relayed to me by a mechanic who built, and used to work on a Production racecar JZA80 RZ supra with a 6 speed getrag gearbox.
So why would you spend an extra $2,000 on a 6 speed, when it is only for top end speed, over 200km/hour, not for low down acceleration ???
This is only what I have heard, so dont shoot the messenger if you have heard different.
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I like shooting messengers.
Your information is completely flawed and I would suggest not going to that mechanic. The R154 5 speed is a TOYOTA built gearbox. The V160/V160 6 speed is a GETRAG box. As in built by a completely different company.
That's like saying that a Celica is like a Ferrari but that the Ferrari has a bigger engine.
The getrag is HEAPS better than the Toyota box.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:18
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Here's one I prepared earlier:
And here's another:
Notice how even externally they look completely different with different casings, input shafts and shifter setups, as well as being a completely different shape.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:31
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I might add that the V160 does not have an extra overdriven gear; only 6th is overdriven, and 5th is 1:1. Therefore the 6th gear isn't just there for top-end speed, instead it's there to make the ratios closer.
SupraMan, I don't care if you're just the messenger, you shouldn't go around spreading misinformation like this when you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Confirm your facts first, then share them with the rest of us.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:49
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| SUPRA MAN wrote on Wed, 09 April 2003 18:33 |
I have been enquiring about putting a getrag 6 speed into my 1988 toyota supra. Technically the 6 speed is EXACTLY the same as the R154 5 speed, except it has an extra overdrive for top end speed. There is little, if any difference in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear with the R154 5 speed and Getrag 6 speed. This was relayed to me by a mechanic who built, and used to work on a Production racecar JZA80 RZ supra with a 6 speed getrag gearbox.
So why would you spend an extra $2,000 on a 6 speed, when it is only for top end speed, over 200km/hour, not for low down acceleration ???
This is only what I have heard, so dont shoot the messenger if you have heard different.
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From now on, you will be called 'Baghdad'. You shall not be shot, but annihilated.
The beautiful pictures posted above demonstrate they are not in fact the same box, but instead, rather different boxes.
You also claim that the first 5 ratios are the same/similar to the R154. In fact, they are not.Here are the ratios.
V160 R154
1st 3.827 3.251
2nd 2.360 1.955
3rd 1.685 1.310
4th 1.312 1.0
5th 1.0 .753
6th 0.793 N/A
Rev 3.280 3.18
As you can see, they are not similar at all. There is only one overdriven gear in the six speed contrary to the 2 you conjured up.
Personally, I find it hard to justify the money to buy the 6 speed because I am a tightarse and because I can't be fagged with the tunnel revisions required to make it fit in my Corona Mk2. However, it is the silkiest, smoothest, most robust box. Given only a small amount of coersion.......
So 'Baghdad', I suggest you speak to you production racecar wankanic (who will be now referred to as 'Basra') and tell him he is a complete cretin who can barely handle a spanner, let alone string together a coherent, factual sentence.
This information was all obtained via the internet with a minimum degree of effort.
Please refrain from spouting shit......it annoys the fuck out of some of us.
Cheers Dave.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 10:01
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| SUPRA MAN wrote on Wed, 09 April 2003 18:33 |
I have been enquiring about putting a getrag 6 speed into my 1988 toyota supra. Technically the 6 speed is EXACTLY the same as the R154 5 speed, except it has an extra overdrive for top end speed. There is little, if any difference in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gear with the R154 5 speed and Getrag 6 speed. This was relayed to me by a mechanic who built, and used to work on a Production racecar JZA80 RZ supra with a 6 speed getrag gearbox.
So why would you spend an extra $2,000 on a 6 speed, when it is only for top end speed, over 200km/hour, not for low down acceleration ???
This is only what I have heard, so dont shoot the messenger if you have heard different.
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Good luck fitting a Getrag - the bellhousing is part of the gear casing, which makes fitting it onto anything else rather painfull.
Gear ratios are totally different
V160 ratios
First 3.827
Second 2.360
Third 1.685
Fourth 1.312
Fifth 1.000
Sixth 0.793
Final drive is 3.267
R154 ratios
First 3.251
Second 1.955
Third 1.310
Fourth 1.000
Fifth 0.753
Final drive is 3.73
And when it comes to comparing the V160 to the R154, the R154 is a POS in comparison, no 2 ways about it.
Dave, you beat me to it 
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 10:10
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SUPRAMAN, you're my hero 
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 10:16
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Sorry just had too. Been saving that one for a while.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 10:16
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SUPRAMAN does a bit of this too.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 10:19
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ok guys, I was expecting some feedback. As I said, it was only what I heard. I hadnt done any research, and i want to learn as much as i can. I'm happy to have you guys tell me as much as you can, as i would like to learn as much as I can.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 10:27
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c'mon guys, I said that was what I heard, not my opinion.
I posted it to see if that was true or not. I didnt say it was true, I said it was "what I had heard" How else am I going to find out if I dont ask people that know, like you guys here on toymods ??
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 10:29
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Two things that are a LAW with the internet, don't believe what the yanks say with Supras, they are as bad and worse as yourself with information next is take a UN sized bag of slat with you when you read the camel poop that is on the Internet.
Getrag are gearbox gods!
I've broken my R154 3 times (yes that thrust washer that MD has just found out about) took until the 3rd time to work out it's a flaw and $3000. You just don't hear about these problems with the V160! If you have a JZ engine and you have the money get a V160! I don't care how you fit it because it's worth both kidneys and 12L of blood.
I evny you Stenno! :p~~~~~ v160 ~~~~
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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Wed, 09 April 2003 11:53
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So after all the discussion of telling people how wrong they are, can this be answered: ?
Will a 6 speed box from a supra (2jz), fit straight onto a 1JZ TT in a soarer? There's a bit of contradiction by some people here so far.
The 6 speed is a V160 made by a company called getrag. Did I pick that up correctly?
Thanks.
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Wed, 09 April 2003 11:55
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I thought this had already been answered, but yes, you can put a Supra 6-speed behind a 1JZ. All JZ series engines have the same bellhousing bolt pattern, so the transmissions are interchangeable - the only catch is you have to swap the flywheel and clutch along with the transmission (but again these are interchangeable).
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Wed, 09 April 2003 12:27
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For fuck's sake, if you can't read you shouldn't be doing a gearbox conversion.
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Re: Can I put a JZA80 or later model supra 6 speed or 5 speed in to a JZ Soarer TT
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| gianttomato wrote on Thu, 10 April 2003 11:04 |
Apollo, read the entire thread again SLOWLY and use a dictionary for the words you don't understand. It's quite simple really.
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Some people need to calm down and remember that this is a place to share and gain information. Just because you think you know what you are talking about, it doesnt mean everyone else does.
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"Some people need to calm down and remember that this is a place to share and gain information. Just because you think you know what you are talking about, it doesnt mean everyone else does."
We are calm.. it's just that we've been less than subtle and still some people don't know the answers. It's like the idiots I deal with at work... I can say things a hundred times but they stiiiiiiill don't understand.
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Thu, 10 April 2003 10:24
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Both of these will bolt straight to the motor. You will need the flywheel and clutch setup that came with the box as well as (most likely) a custom tailshaft. You may need to alter the gearbox crossmember - again it's not really that common a swap so it's just a matter of doing it and seeing how it lines up... and working from there.
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Notice how even externally they look completely different with different casings, input shafts and shifter setups, as well as being a completely different shape.
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You were saying?
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Apollo, read the entire thread again SLOWLY and use a dictionary for the words you don't understand. It's quite simple really. The only contradiction stems from the idiots that reckon.....
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Ok, I admit my mistake of overlooking the fact it was an '88 supra that the discussion had turned to.
If you had figured out how to use the edit function of this forum and inserted them into your post directly targeting the supra matter, then the pictures you posted would have made more sense.
As for your attitude, and GT's, well, that's your own problem if you need to be an arsehole to people from behind a computer on a forum to make yourself feel better.
Ah yes, thankyou Norbie for a precise no bullshit answer.
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Fri, 11 April 2003 13:53
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| 7M-Brisbane wrote on Thu, 10 April 2003 21:28 |
Don't post any more, you're wasting bandwidth.
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Apollo, pay attention. Read slowly and use the dictionary - it's your friend.
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| gianttomato wrote on Fri, 11 April 2003 23:53 |
| 7M-Brisbane wrote on Thu, 10 April 2003 21:28 |
Don't post any more, you're wasting bandwidth.
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Apollo, pay attention. Read slowly and use the dictionary - it's your friend.
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I suggest you take your own advice.
Don't use terms like 7m has, and uses them in a context that he doesn't understand.
You might find YOUR dictionary half used in your toilet.
Now you will be called Opinion.
Because opinions are like like arseholes, and you are just one big opinion.
I was going to let the incorrect use of the term 'bandwidth' slide, but, you just couldn't help yourself by trying to prove you are better than everyone else.
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Sat, 12 April 2003 03:24
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for supposed adults, you guys can shit sling with the best of the kiddie internet commandos out there
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Sun, 13 April 2003 00:37
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A quote from the recent war (I believe this came from Dubya himself):
"All a good man must do for evil to succeed is nothing"
I'm not going to sit here while these people give out incorect advice and/or act as if I'm full of it.
Like I said though, this thread is over, the topic has been answered
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Sun, 13 April 2003 05:01
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I think you'll find Dubya ain't that eloquent... he was quoting Edmund Burke (1729-1797):
"The only thing needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing."
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Sun, 13 April 2003 06:59
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Well there you go. I'm misquoting a quote of a quote
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Mon, 14 April 2003 03:12
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Ok, I apologise to the rest of the forum for letting myself be brought down to the low level of throwing insults around.
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I'm not going to sit here while these people give out incorect advice and/or act as if I'm full of it.
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I've already apologised for where I stumbled with the '88 supra being thrown in.
That's it from me in this topic. I'd say more, but, the fire doesn't need anymore fuel to have an excuse to flare up again.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 04:08
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| Norbie wrote on Sun, 13 April 2003 15:01 |
I think you'll find Dubya ain't that eloquent....
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Dubya is a cack. His English skills are less than 'tidy'.
My favorite quotes followed soon after the September 11 tragedy.
"Osama Bin Laden - wanted dead or alive...."
"They have siddled round, side stepped....crawfished aroung the issue of giving him up...."
Yep, he's a Texan!
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Shuddup ya bunch of skirts!
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