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 What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 07:21
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Well having somone look at her tomorrow to try and find out what is most likely the problem.
But as ALOT of people have suggested to me(not just on this forum) it sounds like a buggered big end bearing and or thrown a rod.
Now i've had a quote of about $2700(best i could get so far) to fix whats wrong(assuming its big end bearing)
OR a "new" 5M-GE...plus as a bonus a W57 trans(got a 4sp auto atm) for nearly half of the mechanics quote to fix the original 5M-E(including engine, fitted etc....in other words mates rates  )
The new 5M-GE has about 177k km's on it.
Now which sounds the most sensible option?
And what are some ways to have the engine checked to try avoid anymore problems...some ways i've thought of are a compression test and CO2 sniffer thingo.
Any other ways?
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 08:26
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Don't waste your money on the 5M-E man, they suck. 5M-GE conversion is the go, or even better, a 6M-GE if you can find one. Get the engine checked out by a pro, they will do all the usual stuff (including compression test etc) to see if it's OK.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 08:43
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Yeah i'm not too keen on doing ANYTHING to the 5M-E
I've spoken to most all the toyota importers i could find in the book and none have 5M-E\5M-GE\6M-GE engines. Also tried a few generic importers and same result. Seem to be getting fairly rare in Perth
How much would it cost me to get the 5M-GE checked by a pro?
If i do go ahead with this it should be pretty good, the guy who i'm buying it off said his 6M-GE cressida had trouble keeping up with it....if thats true i'm sure i could get used to the extra power over the 5M-E 
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 08:58
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If you're looking at spending that kind of money, buy an auto 7MGTE half cut. Your existing box will bolt straight up (manual, yes?) and the engine itself will bolt straight in.
It will go HEAPS better and you'l have heaps of performance options later on.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:10
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The idea at the moment is to spend as little as possible whilst acheiving best result(to a certain extent)
Reason being is that i'm only a poor little student, and cant really afford this as it stands. So adding insurance for a turbo car on top of things isnt an affordable option.
As to the 7M-GTE
That was my original plan for when i had saved enough money for a conversion, but ringing aronud importers has made me reconsider as these engines are getting a bit long in the tooth aswell, so i think i'm going to set my sites a little higher and go for a 1JZ of 2JZ(by the time i can afford a turbo conversion these will probably be cheaper to buy  )
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:24
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Your choice
Seriously if you spend even $1000 on an atmo engine you're an idiot.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:36
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I disagree - the man has a shagged engine and needs a replacement. If his choices are to spend $2k on a rebuilt atmo engine or $1k on a 6M swap, I know which I'd choose! We both know that engine conversions are never easy, and a 6M swap is going to be much less painful than a 7M.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 09:53
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I'd be surprised if you couldn't track down a replacement 5M/6M for that kind of money.
And if it's a spun bearing you may be able to put another year's life into the engine by just fitting new bearings. Depends if any other damage has been caused.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 10:01
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I havnt been able to track down a 5M\6M in Perth or Adelaide so far and i dont have really want to spend too much time with my dick in my hand so to speak looking for somthing.
Its a very huge inconvenience not having a car on the road. 
Anyways i'll keep you all posted as to what i decide to do and how it all goes
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 12:01
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| 7M-Brisbane wrote on Wed, 09 April 2003 19:53 |
And if it's a spun bearing you may be able to put another year's life into the engine by just fitting new bearings. Depends if any other damage has been caused.
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Going by this logic, why didn't you rebuild your shagged 2S instead of doing a 1G conversion? Oh that's right, because 2S's are slow and they suck! Ditto for the 5M-E...
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 12:24
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How much would it cost for me to have the engine checked over by a pro?
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 23:09
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think of a insane number, double it, then add 10%
thats what a mechanic will cost 
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What to do about dead supra? Easy. Drop a 2JZGE in it.
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Wed, 09 April 2003 23:16
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I can't recommend a 2JZGE swap highly enough. These engines are cheap (you can pick one up with loom and ECU for under $1000), and provide a significant upgrade over a 6MGE which is a quantum leap ahead of the 5ME. Then you could modify it like someone I know with a Corona Mk2.... A 100 hp per litre is a walk in the park with this thing.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 23:38
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| toycelica77 wrote on Thu, 10 April 2003 09:09 |
think of a insane number, double it, then add 10%
thats what a mechanic will cost
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LOL that is so good!
On a side note I think the 2JZGE is one well worth exploring!
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Wed, 09 April 2003 23:47
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Well at the moment i'm not\wont consider anything that'll cost me over $2000 ALL up and take more than a weekend to complete
I just dont have the time or resources to waste, and its not as if i can get a loan since i'm 18, a student, and only have a part time job(current one for 4 weeks...i change jobs too much )
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 02:02
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Given those constraints, a 5M/6M swap is your only realistic option. As for prices, call a few mechanics and get quotes - I've never had anything like this done so I have no idea what it will cost.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 02:16
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I bought a 5ME from the wreckers, and put it in a cressida I had last year. the engine cost $500, and the mechanic charged me $550 for the conversion including belts, fluids etc.
Not a 5MG or 6MG, but gives you a rough idea anyway.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 02:42
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I invested many months hunting a 6M in Perth. Son Auto's will be your best bet on the 6M (if you are willing to wait). Otherwise, look for cheap unlicinced/damaged 5MGE Cressidas and pull the engine.
Or, if you don't mind waiting a few months, I'll have a 5ME to sell cheap: rebuilt head & auto gearbox with $3K in receipts!The previous owner chose to keep the 5ME alive at all costs. Personally, I look at all that money that could have gone into a conversion project. But then, a wild conversion project underway doesn't make you feel great when it's pissing down with rain and you are running late to go somewhere.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 03:22
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Thanks for all of your input people
I think i'll most likely go with guys 5m-ge and manual transmission as he said he'll also do the conversion for me(i'll help however i can but he's gonna be the driving force)
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 03:36
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i personally think you should put a 1UZ-FE in it...
something about those V8 supras 
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:20
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I though of that one too ... (spent the last 12 months dayfreaming of congine conversions and pestering people). BUT, West Oz. version of the RTA are not keen on a 4l V8 in a MA-61 Supra. Of course they had no worries with me dropping the 1JZ in (stock form about 40hp more than the 1UZFE with lots of boosting potential)! It's got two turbochargers and is faster without major mods - but the important thing is that it is 2.5l 6 cylinder (= RTA: GOOD) vrs 4l V8 (=RTA:BAD). Don't ask for the logic, just play the system 
- Justin
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:31
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Did the Transport Dept have a sad about putting a 1UZFE into a Supra? I reckon they'd let it through, they just don't know enough shit to be able to give a definite answer.
If people can shove a 5l V8 into a Torana or something that is underbraked, crappy steering and suspension, there shouldn't be a big problem putting a 4l V8 into a car of roughly the same weight.
I'd say it'd be a case of cutting through red tape.
Personally this was my first choice of engine conversion, but I couldn't justify the price of the manual conversion as well and thats what I really wanted.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:51
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Yeh, Nathan, you're probably right - if you're prepared to cut through the tape, you probably could go with the V8. They just don't 'like' the idea!
I was thinking about this swap (probably with auto to keep costs down). Mostly 'cause I have some experience working NA's and none with turbos. In the end, I decided to see what all this boost stuff is really like ... don't think I'll be disappointed
- Justin
PS Nathan, did you get your RTA approval? Do you need an Engineer's OK as well? I've had one recommended to me, but havn't spoken to him yet.
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Re: What to do about dead supra?
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:55
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Yeah, they gave the green light once they stopped looking for a 1GATE in their database. Dumbasses.
They wanted me to have a consulting engineer because I wanted to upgrade the brakes in a pretty major way. Now I'm just going to get some decent fluid, decent pads and some new slotted rotors from DBA.
What was the name of the engineer? As for boost? You won't be disappointed
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