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im thinking about using the 2JZ engine in a Ford Falcon XR would it fit it would be helpful if some people could let me know about some mods for the engine
any help much appriciated
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:27
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Did that come with the big 4l six? I know its from around there. Its highly likely that the engine will easily fit into the bay.
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:32
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thats good to know i was going to use a XR6t but the price would be nuts and the gearboxes cant handle any extra power
i have always loved supras and old fords now i might make a car with both things i love pitty i cant have both though.
how does thesupra gearbox handle extra power
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:36
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It depends. If you can fit the 6-speed box from the Supra in, it shouldn't have any problems with pretty much any power you throw at it.
As for the Ford gearbox, things are only as strong as how you use them. Its the same as the smaller Supra gearboxes, the W58 etc. Some people reckon they are weak, some people swear by them. Its all to do with how you treat them.
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:43
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id love to fit the 6 speed in there and do the internals of the engine it will be a fun process i hope it isnt going to be pain for the swap over.
what anybody tell me about the 2JZ engine is it reliable and is there different versions of the engine
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:44
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It is reliable as all shit, there are many 600hp+ cars running the factory internals with no problems.
The two main versions are the earlier one without vvti and the newer one which makes more torque and has a flatter overall torque curve.
vvti = $$$ though.
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 05:58
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i reckon that sounds like an excellent project, i have a feeling tho theres going to be a lot of ford die hards against it...
none-the-less good luck with it dude 
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Thu, 10 April 2003 06:05
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i can take the heat if they dont like they smell me exhuast fumes 
any body know some good websites for mods for the engine im very bored at work.
i think it will turn out to be a heaps nice car the engine will top it off
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 06:08
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http://www.mkiv.co.nz/
some good reading here
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Thu, 10 April 2003 06:11
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ok cool if you have any others just post them up.
and also any mods that people have done or heard that have been done to the 2JZ engine
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 06:25
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what makes the usa engine more powerful than the jap could someone please enlighten me on this
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 06:47
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I know of someone that has just recently fitted a 2JZ into a EF Falcon so I dont see why you can do it!
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 06:53
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how did the ef go
my dad has got one c if he wants to do the same thing i doubt he will though.
keep the posts coming ppl it is good to know that they have been used in an ef i hope it will be the same for the old falcon
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 06:55
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As far as I know the old Falcons have a much bigger engien bay so you will have no problems!
As for the EF, I have never seen it or been told how it went! I was just told by a guy that helped out with the conversion!
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 06:59
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i think that would be a mean car hate to try and drag that thing off
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 07:11
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I was thinking about getting it done to my AU Falcon but I'm sorry to say that nothing beats the Falcon six for a great toweing package!
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 07:20
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| Cool1 wrote on Thu, 10 April 2003 16:55 |
As far as I know the old Falcons have a much bigger engine bay so you will have no problems!
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Er, the XR does have a steering box which may present some difficulties with turbo clearance.....Time to get the tape measure out.
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 07:22
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ok if this poses a prob any ways around it?
what the maximum revs in 2JZ engine
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Thu, 10 April 2003 07:48
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All of the questions you're asking (and much more besides) can be answered if you spend about 5 minutes searching the web; there's LOTS of 2JZ-specific information out there. Google is your friend.
http://www.google.com.au
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Fri, 11 April 2003 00:39
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well ive had a look i know the peak rpm but i have had no luck finding out about the engine conversion waiting for some email replies.
should i keep the original bench seats in the old xr and get them re-done in leather or get bucket seats. what r your thoughts on this?
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Fri, 11 April 2003 04:47
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i had a quote for the engine and gearbox to be fitted for $1550
do you think is about right or not?
does any body know if i will have to upgrade my brakes, suspension and diff for the stock 2JZ engine
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Fri, 11 April 2003 05:09
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Skitz thinks out aloud.....Mmmm, let's see. I have just spent the best part of $10000 putting a 320 hp 2JZGTE into an XR Falcon. They run 4 wheel drums. They will provide enough repetitive stopping power, won't they?......back to lalaland
I'll hazard a guess. Yes. Yes, you will have to upgrade your brakes. Even if the engineer says you don't, you still would.
What to? Ask on a Ford forum. There are heaps of them around.
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Fri, 11 April 2003 05:30
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the bestpart of 10000 gee id hate to go to you if you were a machanic!
and as for the brakes i guess i had that coming 
3500 for the whole front cut 1550 for instilling it that is 6050 so far then the diff and brakes on top of that then it might come around to 10g
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Fri, 11 April 2003 06:27
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and dont forget dump pipe, exhaust, cooling system, tacho & speedo, clutch, engineering and parts to service an engine thats been sitting in a wrecking yard for how many years, have i forgotten anything else?
gianttomato is right on the money there (no pun intended)
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Fri, 11 April 2003 06:55
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i never look at costs in one big hit so yeah why a speedo dont half cuts come with all that stuff
Im an amature as if you couldn't tell so im not taking any offence well not much lol.
i dont mind its good to be told this stuff in my books
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Fri, 11 April 2003 07:36
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| Skitz wrote on Fri, 11 April 2003 15:30 |
3500 for the whole front cut 1550 for installing....
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These are rather, shall we say, optimistic prices. Say you hit paydirt and actually get a 2JZGTE for 3500, we should then investigate the 1550 for 'installation'.
Did you ask the shop what 'installation' actually means? Again, I'm going to hazard another guess that you simply called a shop and asked,"How much to put a 2JZGTE into an XR Falcon?" I'll say that that price will NOT include all the custom intercooler pipe work that will be required, all the stuffing around to get a speedo to work, all the tidying, removing the ancillaries you won't need, hooking the auto to the column shift, an EFI fuel system and all the little things you haven't even thought about. I think you will find that all that $1550 (a bizarre number don't you think? Why 1550? Why not quote you 'around 1500?') includes is 2 engine mounts, a modified gearbox crossmember and a big AMFYOYO.
I suggest you have a chat to someone who has actually done it. I also suggest you budget upwards, or just put a Holley 2 barrel and a straight thru exhaust on the 221 that's in this XR of yours.
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Fri, 11 April 2003 08:07
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Engine conversions are expensive, WAY more expensive than they seem when you're daydreaming in front of your PC. I did my conversion on a tight budget doing virtually all the work myself, and this was putting the engine into a Supra which already has EFI and an engine with similar overall dimensions to the 2JZ plus a nearly identical gearbox. My costs are well over $8k now.
GT's $10k figure sounds steep but is probably lower than the actual cost. As he said, talk to people who have done it; their opinion is likely to be more accurate than people who "reckon".
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Fri, 11 April 2003 08:46
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If you cannot do any of the work yourself, the EFI fuel system will cost you $1000.
$400 for 600hp bosch pump
$200 for a carter lift pump
$75 for filters (4 of them)
$150-200 for a surge tank
$40 for 3/8 bundy tube.
$30 EFI fuel hose
And you still don't have this stuff installed.
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Fri, 11 April 2003 10:08
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| gianttomato wrote on Fri, 11 April 2003 17:36 |
"or just put a Holley 2 barrel and a straight thru exhaust on the 221 that's in this XR of yours."
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*laughs* It's actually even worse...These things came standard with a 170 cu. in. 6 and 3-speed manual ("on the tree, where it should be!" )
I know; I had one!!
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Fri, 11 April 2003 14:29
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might i suggest simply doing a Boss 302 ??
I hear they are a shit-hot piece of engineering with performance characteristics rivalling (if not exceeding) the 2jz-gte, especially if you get a large 4 barrel Holley and maybe an edelbrok manifold...
at least you wouldnt have troubles with emissions
cheers
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Fri, 11 April 2003 14:47
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hehehe 170 cid. Biased how did you control it? That would have had the cast on intake manifold too yeah? Make the 1UZ look positively timid!
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Mon, 14 April 2003 00:14
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the $1550 was the engine and gearbox fitted the guy said, i would not go through him i would go through JMS in Adelaide, for the simple fact they have basically everything i need there, if not they can get it and the more i spend in one place the more chance i have of getting a discount.
yeah after i read about the 10k it would be around there and that is what im going to aim for ill make sure i have more money just in case.
the engines are $3500 for all electrics loom and gearbox, then i would have to go and buy a speedo and tacho as well, what other electrical things will i need?
I would try and do as much as i possibly could to lower the costs.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 01:51
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Have you actually spoken to the guys at JMS about this? If you have did you say 2jzgte or just 2jz? I'm asking this because on the JMS website it says 3500 for a complete 2JZ package not 2JZGTE, and whichever it is it's not a front cut.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 01:57
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Norbie how much did your aristo front cut cost?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 02:02
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i never said JMS had a half cut ive seen them in magizines but they were in Sydney cant remember the price of them though, I asked a question about the half cut i think (correct me if im wrong)
No i have not asked JMS about this yet but i would like them to be the people i go to for the conversion.
the only reason i have not asked yet is i would like to know roughly what i was looking at in $$$ the engine says 2jz so i got no idea if that is the twin turbo or not.
there are a few places that have advertised cheaper than JMS but when i have asked on behalf of a friend they said they dont the motor in stock.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 02:13
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I paid $2900 for my Aristo front cut ~18 months ago, but they seem to go for more like $4k these days. A friend recently bought a JZA80 6-speed front cut for $6k.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 02:16
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you'll find that you did say in one post 3500 for the front cut.
I'd say its a fair bet that the 2JZ for 3500 at JMS is not turbo but it cant hurt to ask.
I'm just trying to help you get the right facts because things like that can make huge differences to your necessary budget
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Mon, 14 April 2003 02:29
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i apriciate the help what would be a good choice of a diff and brakes be, as later on i will be increasing the horsepower ill say 600hp for now.
i had a look through i could not find the reference for a half cut being $3500
wat is the fuel consumption on these cars??
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Mon, 14 April 2003 02:45
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What diff is in the XR? Isnt it a 9 inch already? 
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Mon, 14 April 2003 04:14
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i wont aim for 600 hp for a long time 320 or 280 will be plenty for a while.
im not sure i think the GT had the 9 but not the litle six what would be sufficient for the stock engine
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Mon, 14 April 2003 10:49
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read the 24th post, you probably wrote it in a hurry and it doesn't really matter anyway I just hate being wrong 
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Mon, 14 April 2003 23:10
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ok i stand corrected i said that then lol
the quote for engine conversion was $1550 odd figure but who cares.
diff btr 78 disk brakes lsd $2200
front brakes $1100
what do ppl think of this quote.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 01:37
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$1550 for an engine conversion? Way too low. They probably meant $1550 to mount the engine and gearbox, but there's no way you'd actually get it running for that sort of money - there's LOTS of labour involved.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 03:27
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wat is involved after the engine and gearbox is fitted
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Wed, 16 April 2003 03:38
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WELCOME TO THE NET!
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Wed, 16 April 2003 04:01
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gianttomato what would u reconmend me do as a search as im not sure?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 04:18
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Here's a tip: click the link in my sig. There you will find the complete story of my 2JZ conversion, thoroughly documented from beginning to end with photos of every step. I have also included a list of my costs to date. That should give you a fair idea of what you're up against!
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Wed, 16 April 2003 04:26
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thanks alot norbie
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Wed, 16 April 2003 04:47
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Norbie,
looking at Paul P's front cut, is there an engine under all those tubes and wires???
http://www.norbie.net/PaulP_Aristo/PaulP_Aristo22. jpg
can you take most of that crap off? or does it need it to run?
Cya, Stewart
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Wed, 16 April 2003 04:51
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All that crap is required I'm afraid. The good news is you don't have to touch any of it; the wiring harness goes through the firewall in one place, then you just have to hook up the alternator, starter, fuel lines and intercooler pipes, then it will start and run! I have no idea what most of that stuff does, so I just left it alone.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 05:20
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Cut and paste the following phrase:
2JZGTE engine transplant
Any search engine will do.
Norbie's site comes up, and so do a couple others.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 05:41
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thanks norbie and everyone so a front cut is easiest or let a pro do it all?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 06:07
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norbie was there that much trickery in getting the ECU to forget it had an auto attatched to it?
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Wed, 16 April 2003 06:39
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There's Norbie, Stenno and some guy in Holland all doing the 2JZ into Supra thing, lots of guys with Lexuses (Lexi?) in the States.....plenty of resources for you to read.
It's a big undertaking.....and you'll need a budget to suit, particularly if you get a shop to do it for you.
They'll take ages, charge you like a winded bull, and not take the care that you will.
Read up and think wisely before you fork out a lot of money for something that potentially may not even fit! Measure your engine bay and take note of things that might get in the way (master cylinders, steering boxes, drag links, chassis/subframe, etc). Go some where that has a 2JZ preferably out of car so you can measure accurately, measure it, and do the compare and contrast thing.
THEN, ask some questions. I suspect you'll answer a lot of them yourself. At the moment, we can only speculate.
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Wed, 16 April 2003 07:29
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i dont mind if ppl are guessing, speculating or what ever
i dont know how big the engine bay is that is something im going to have to look into as for the engine size that might be a bit trickier but ill work my way around it
how hard is it to change the steering over if it is possible i got no idea but it will be cool if some one can answer this
im going home got to take the G/F out to dinner
bye all
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Wed, 16 April 2003 08:15
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I'm only guessing but I think the rack and pinion setup out of a later model falcon wouldn't be to hard to adapt. As far as I can see the arms(?) that the rack connects to on the hubs are are a bit shorter on the newer ones but thats about it.
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| rob_RA40 wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 16:07 |
norbie was there that much trickery in getting the ECU to forget it had an auto attatched to it?
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None whatsoever. I was fully expecting the ECU to spit out an error code (eg "transmission has fallen out, shutting down") and do all sorts of weird stuff, but instead it runs perfectly and I've had no problems!
One catch though, I haven't had the speed sensor hooked up to the manual transmission. I plugged it in today in an effort to get the speedo working; I haven't driven the car since so it will be interesting to see what the ECU does when it realises the car is actually moving! Hopefully it will be all good, but if not I'll just unplug the sensor again and find another way of making the speedo work (eg go back to a mechanical cable).
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c'town, NSW
Registered:
May 2002
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Re: 2JZGTE turbo engine would it fit in a Ford 1966 XR
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Wed, 16 April 2003 22:02
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kewl thanks for info.
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