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1UZ INTO MA61
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Fri, 11 April 2003 07:01
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Been dreaming about this for a while, what problems am I going to have?
Looking at atmo with after market ems and inlet manifold.
Any ideas on brake an suspension upgrades also appreciated.
Thanks
Leigh.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Fri, 11 April 2003 08:30
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Couple of guys have done mkIII transplants i think
Issue #1 no manual box from factory,if you want a manual there was a place making replica diablos that sell the bellhousing adapter between W58 and 1uz
then you will need flywheel and all the associated goodies for it
Have to figure out if the computer wants an auto box input and find a way around that (as i wouldnt be connected)
Issue #2 engine mounts, you will need new ones custom made no doubt
Issue #3 You will need a front sump for the MA61, is it a front mid or rear?
I wanted to do this for a bit as does JUSTCALLMEFRANK, he can tell u why its the cheapest to start with but most costly in the long run!
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Fri, 11 April 2003 10:32
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I think Glen got most of it sorted.
Carbontech - These are the people who make the Lambo replicas. Their website is: http://www.carbontech.com.au . They will make a bellhousing for the W58 although he said in one of his e-mails that he may be able to do an R154 one too. You still need a flywheel, I was thinking of getting one custom, and a clutch...it all adds up to over the $1000 mark before you include the gearbox.
The ECU can be fooled into thinking the auto is still there, someone was going to tell me how to do it, but they never got around to it. If it doesn't receive the signal it goes into limp mode. Should you choose to run the auto, you shouldn't have any problems, there is even a way to make it shift gears manually, I just have to get Allan to tell me how to do it again!
Engine mounts will have to be custom. I think you shouldn't have problems with clearance with the exhaust manifolds, although should that be a problem, the Soarer ones are the smallest I believe.
All the Mk2 Supras have engines with a front sump, and the conclusion was that you would need to either find a front sump front cut (maybe Aristo?) or get the one that comes with the engine reshaped. I've got pictures of one example of this should you want to see them.
There are many upgrades for the 1UZFE to complement its bullet-proof design. They range from forced induction such as supercharging or turbocharging, but my dream was to have one with a nice set of extractors, 8-throttle bodies, decent cams and programmable ECU...
Basically for me it was a case of, by the time I would actually get the car up and running (I DEFINETLY wanted a manual) I would be out of uni and possibly have enough money to look at something a bit newer. Thus the conversion never got off the ground and swapping a 1GGTE into my GA61 seemed like the logical option.
I suggest you go to the Soarer Diehard site and download the exhaust sounds....they are positively drool worthy. Seriously, if I wasn't at uni, I'd like to do this, I've got this whacked idea of one stage down the track fitting a 3UZFE into a NA Mk4 Supra SZ-R...sounds nice 
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Sat, 12 April 2003 02:41
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that's not a bad idea at all...
then you just need a pair of turbos... and you've got a mk4 turbo v8
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Sat, 12 April 2003 09:16
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Nah, the idea I was going for was a screaming 8 cylinder NA engine...turbos only muffle the sound
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Sun, 13 April 2003 08:24
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lol 
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Sun, 13 April 2003 23:17
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Yeah, a UZ61 would be great!
Front sump 1UZs are from a CROWN/ARISTIO. But the exhaust headers you want are from a Soarer.
Aftermarket EMS can be done too, but is expensive. (PM me for more details, or do a search to find where I have talked about it previously).
Not sure about break upgrades for the MA61. Probably need something.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 00:57
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if you ended up getting a rear-sump setup and you will be looking to trade it for a front-mount setup, then i would be more than happy to trade with you!
i recently got a Crown half-cut (front-sump...or it actually looks to be like a mid-sump to me?) and i am going to need a rear-mount by the time i'm ready to put it in!! 
so if you get a Soarer engine for the headers or whatever, i will be happy to trade sump/oil pickups if they're interchangable (pretty sure they are!)
cheers,
Aaron.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 01:04
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Sumps are definatly interchangable. Need the differing pickups too. And if your doing the swap don't forget dipsticks (& tube)! I did, and now I've no idea how much oil I've got in there (until I do an oil change).
Exhausts are even easyer transferred.
I'm running a crown engine, with soarer exhaust/sump&pickup/waterpump/little panel on intake manifold opposite throttle body (crowns have all sorts of polution crap).
Wish I bought a soarer front cut.  Now I'm looking for a soarer radiator/thermo fan setup too. (my engine gets hot!).
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 01:18
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Brakes - you can go the DBA slotted rotor and new pads path to fit under the stockies, or you can do the '5 stud' hub upgrade which hasnt quite yet been finalised.
Info on the 5 stud upgrade is at www.eds.au.com
You will require bigger rims to fit bigger brakes. The 5 stud option allows you to access a greater array of mag wheel options in larger sizes.
Alternatively, you can go custom 4 stud wheels and fit the 'Jim King big brake set'(some american MKII dude). Look at them here: http://www.celicasupra.com/~mikecs/phpBB2/viewtopi c.php?t=131
New suspension might also be an idea with the extra torque if its a bit old
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 02:21
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| HKSPete wrote on Mon, 14 April 2003 11:04 |
Wish I bought a soarer front cut. Now I'm looking for a soarer radiator/thermo fan setup too. (my engine gets hot!).
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Sorry, Pete; The V8 Soarers don't run a thermo setup...they actually run a hydraulic fan setup! (Which is why, in pics of my engine, you can see 2 power steering reservoirs - 1 is for the PS fluid; the other one circulates hydraulic fluid around, as the pump is still there but I am running a twin-thermo setup...)
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 02:22
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how does your twin thermo setup go in terms of cooling?
and problems at all?
I've heard some people say their thermos never quite go as well as the stock items
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 03:00
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Thanks for all the info. Much appreciated.
The dream is for 8 throttle bodies and extractors.
Castlemain Rod Shop will do bell housings for W58 for about $400 if I remember correctly or $1000 for the lot, but I am fortunate enough to have access to enough equipment to make my own flywheel.
5 stud bolt pattern sounds good, thanks for the link.
Now all I need is time and money.
Any Ideas on who has front sump 1UZ's going cheap.
Thanks.
Leigh.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 03:28
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Ah yeah it is hydrollic instead of electrical. Where does the hydrolic pump sit? is it on the fan belt or what? Its not the same lines as the PS pump is it?
Twin thermos sounds good. This morning I actually disconnected my two little fans that were with my old engine for the aircon. As I thought it was doing funy things to my electronics. Car got hot on the way to work though, so I'll be connecting them up again tonight. Also found another electrical fan between intercooler and aircon cooler, I'll have to find the wires for that and hook it up too, might help a little.
At the moment I'm running a DC12 (or a DC16? which is the big brother of the DC32?) Davies craig thermo, and the twin small stock fans on my MA70 radiator. I think the radiator is too small, as the Soarer one is much wider, but it is thinner, so I'm gonna try for more airflow with my MA70 radiator.
Biased's twin thermo setup is tops. Look it up on another thread as theres pics there too.
Have fun with the flywheel! I changed my 7M flywheel to adapt onto the 1U. Had to get new screw holes cut out, ringear shrunk on, and the whole thing balanced. Its a full blown racing flywheel & excellent clutch (also on different thread is clutch details).
If your planning to do much with the engine then look at putting in a better clutch before you start as even "heavy" clutches will slip with that much power.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 04:16
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Hey Biased (forgot your name sorry),
What temp does your engine run at?? Lately (with the 3 fans running) mine runs at about 96 degrees when pushed for 10-15 mins. I'd rather this around 86 degrees.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 04:37
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Just to clear up the sump locations.
Front mount sump: LS400/Celsior
Mid mount sump:Crown Royal Saloon, Crown
Rear mount sump:Soarer/Crown Majestic
In terms of Fans,
Hydraulic: SC400,Crown Majestic
Thermo: LS400/Celsior
Clutch: Crown, Crown royal saloon.
Pete, the reservoir sits next to the radiator and the lines run down near when the AC compressor sits (from memory). Not too sure what my engine temp sits at, I think around 89 or so. Usually fans only need to be operated when your idling and when your at speed they actually decrease the airflow through your radiator. By the sound of it your radiator is a little bit too small. Maybe a temp operated thermo is the way to go.
Cheers
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 05:22
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thank you for clearing that up KDog!
i've always wanted to have a FINAL answer on all the sump configurations! everywhere you look on the Net there is a different answer!
FINALLY, one topic that clears it all up!
thank you.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 05:26
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| HKSPete wrote on Mon, 14 April 2003 13:28 |
Ah yeah it is hydrollic instead of electrical. Where does the hydrolic pump sit? is it on the fan belt or what? Its not the same lines as the PS pump is it?
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I expect it's the same as a 1JZ/2JZ which has a hydraulic pump integrated into the water pump. It's a complex little device, and a huge PITA to remove from a 2JZ! I took mine out and replaced it with a conventional water pump; I didn't want to deal with the complexities of installing that whole hydraulic system in the front of my car.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 08:51
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from luke, apparently ripping out the 1J's hydraulics is relatively easy, as one of the cars (soarer I think) has a normal water pump.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 22:55
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| HKSPete wrote on Mon, 14 April 2003 14:16 |
Hey Biased (forgot your name sorry),
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It's Michael...
HKSPete wrote a few seconds after the first part of the post...  |
What temp does your engine run at?? Lately (with the 3 fans running) mine runs at about 96 degrees when pushed for 10-15 mins. I'd rather this around 86 degrees.
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Frankly, I have no idea! (If I hook my temp sender up, my gauge goes straight to the top and stays there...Need to (A) Extract old sender and (B) install new one... 
Having said that, the car seems to runs quite cool in driving, and I only notice the fans coming on when the car is idling stationary...They'll cycle on for a few minutes then cycle off (when the temp drops to 85 degrees - Or at least that's the way the Autronic has been setup to cycle them!
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 23:06
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| draven wrote on Mon, 14 April 2003 18:51 |
from luke, apparently ripping out the 1J's hydraulics is relatively easy, as one of the cars (soarer I think) has a normal water pump.
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Yes it's easy in theory to swap a conventional water pump in (that's what I did), but in practice removing the water pump is a bit of a mission! It is on a 2JZ anyway, I haven't tried it on a 1JZ.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 23:11
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| biased99 wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 08:55 |
Frankly, I have no idea! (If I hook my temp sender up, my gauge goes straight to the top and stays there...Need to (A) Extract old sender and (B) install new one...
Having said that, the car seems to runs quite cool in driving, and I only notice the fans coming on when the car is idling stationary...They'll cycle on for a few minutes then cycle off (when the temp drops to 85 degrees - Or at least that's the way the Autronic has been setup to cycle them!
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Thats pretty good temperature. Not good about having no temp guage though. My temp guage is the standard 7M one (digital), and I found a temp sensor on the engine that puts out the same signal, so I hooked it up, and it works same as the last one.
I'm gonna have a look at a bigger/better radiator this afternoon as even going along the highway at 100k's the wire to the fan blew, and it got "warm"! so theres definately not enough airflow in a MA70 supra. Need to rely on the fans to push more air. Although I still (stubornly) havn't taken out the intercooler yet.
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Re: 1UZ INTO MA61
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Mon, 14 April 2003 23:14
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| Norbie wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 09:06 |
| draven wrote on Mon, 14 April 2003 18:51 |
from luke, apparently ripping out the 1J's hydraulics is relatively easy, as one of the cars (soarer I think) has a normal water pump.
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Yes it's easy in theory to swap a conventional water pump in (that's what I did), but in practice removing the water pump is a bit of a mission! It is on a 2JZ anyway, I haven't tried it on a 1JZ.
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I changed the waterpump twice on my 1UZ. Its the idler pulley on the inside of the V. First time was to cold chisel off the water pump impellor as the Davies Craig EWP was supposed to run better without this one. Seccond time was to install a new one as the DC EWP was SHIT. Also changed the timing belt at the same time though, so some good came out of it. Although spending a grand on water pumps to end up with a stock one isn't my idea of fun. Not to mention the time spent, and the swearing.
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