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i went to a place in north nowra today (cant think of the name but have the phone number if anyone wants it)(its dirrectly opposite to tyre stop) to get a quote for my 3sgte => sa63 conversion.
i was talkin to the guy about other possible engine swaps.
he suggested a v6 mustang motor. i said it wouldn't fit so we measured a commodore engine bay strut to strut and there was only 20mm difference. in the end i decided to go for a holden V6.
this is the quote i got $5850 supply and install for
vs model holden v6 with less than 120k kms on it
vs wiring loom + cpu
custom bellhousing (V6 to w55)
supra front struts and brakes
lowered king springs
engineers certificate
new exhaust with cannon muffler
i thaught this was a pretty good deal and was wondering what others thaught
the engineers certificate is $500
the cannon muffler was $200 extra
cheers
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Mon, 14 April 2003 12:16
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WTF  You gonna put a POS like that into a SA63?  You need a good slappin boy 
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Mon, 14 April 2003 12:27
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i commodore runs the quarter mile in abour 15 flat (factory figure id 14.7s)
take away 500 kgs and theres mid-high 12's on a naturally aspirated car
its a lot less work than a 3sgte and it will be unique
what do you want me to put in it honestly
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Mon, 14 April 2003 12:34
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Put a damm Toyota engine in it, not a pos like that! Any toyota engine will be better than that useless peice of crap!
Also who cares how fast it will be! You wont be able to go around saying "my Toyota does 14s" because it will be powered by a god damm bucket of iron scrap!
You want a fast Toyota you better have it powered by Toyota!
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Mon, 14 April 2003 12:44
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which toyota engine
1g gte
1g gze
3s gte
1jz
which one
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Mon, 14 April 2003 12:52
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Any of the above! It all comes down to what you want to spend!
You need to look into everything!
Cost of engine
Cost of fitting engine
Cost of required parts
Engineering
Registration
Insurance(if you can get it)
And everything else!
It took me a year to figure out everthing I have to do and needed to get for my 3S conversion!
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Mon, 14 April 2003 13:02
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6k finished compared to 10k for 1jz or 8-9k for 3sgte and probly about 6 for 1ggte
the v6 and the 1g have about the same hp
the other option was go for a 4agze which was about $3800
without suspension, brakes or engineers certificate i think
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Mon, 14 April 2003 13:08
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Have you thought about a 3VZFE .
Trevor
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Mon, 14 April 2003 13:14
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never heard about a 3VZFE
what are they
how many cyls
what capacity
supercharged, turbo
etc
cheers
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Mon, 14 April 2003 13:29
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Toyota 3.5 ltr Quad Cam V6 ( Camry )
Trevor
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Mon, 14 April 2003 15:07
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hey don't knock the 3800 v6 too much, it'll put all to omany toyota motors to shame.
one thing though dude, I don't think you'll quite get 14.7 on the qrtr in a stock V6 VS. try low 16's.
It aint the power of the old chugger though, you'll never get it to rev, it's the torque. in a little car it should pull like a pack of oxen. Just give it an auto and a long diff and ride the torque.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 21:59
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOO!!!!
from the quarter mile times your stating this guy OBVIOUSLY wanted to make u believe so he could sell you something.
the 1G-GTE is easier to put in, more fuel efficient, AND more powerful, WHAT ELSE DO U WANT?
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Mon, 14 April 2003 22:07
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hey don't knock the 3800 v6 too much, it'll put all to omany toyota motors to shame.
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I would like to know which one's?
The VN motors are not a good investment. I had a RA40 with a out of tune 18RG against my brothers MANUAL VN. I could keep up with him no problems. I could never overtake him, nor could he overtake me. Not bad for a cockroach with a dying motor.
Don't go for a unbalanced VN motor. There getting nearly 15 years old now. Go for the 1GGTE. You will be better off. The 1G has far morew potential (being turbo) then the VN.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 22:21
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not really comparing apples with apples comparing a v6 to a toyota motor to be honest.
for the average family man, its a pretty good motor.
the vn-vr motors seem to go the distance - some of my members (on vncommodore) have over 500,000km on their vn's with only one motor...the vs onwards ecotec motors seem to start struggling around the 200km mark and not long after have to come out for a full freshen up.
the only thing against the v6 is its technology - face it - its a 1960's vintage motor - and its weight - its all cast iron and weighs heaps.
but, if you do decide to go ahead with it - definately go with a vs or vt computer, get the memcal changed to remove the BCM stuff from it and you'll be set.
if you need any help sourcing vn onwards bits let me know, may be able to help.
ps: you may be hard pressed to find a vs v6 with 120km on it too - remember the vs finished in 1997 - so you're talking about something thats 6 years old, most will be fleet cars, and, an average of 25km per year, makes it somewhat more.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 22:37
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I agree with most of the above - the Holden V6 is rough as guts, heavy and not very powerful for a big engine. Sure it has gobs of torque which is great for hauling a big family sedan around, but it's not what you want in a sports coupe. You're dreamin' if you think you can get 12's out of one of these; even 13's would be a struggle. By the time you've installed that cast iron engine and the associated drivetrain your car will weigh not much less than a VN, and they sure as hell don't do 13's without lots of money thrown at them.
Rob's right on the money, a 1G will be easier to install, use less fuel, have more power (not to mention much better scope for future mods), and it's definitely 10 times smoother than a rattly old Holden V6.
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Mon, 14 April 2003 23:43
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Hahahaha A dunnydoor engine better than a Toyota engine.
BAAAAAAAAAAhahahahaha!!!!!!
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Tue, 15 April 2003 00:25
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I'm going to put a Ford 250 into my Corona Mk2 and circuit race it. It's got tonnes of torque and I should be able to crack 1:50s around the Island.........
Buick V6 is as rough as a two buck whore. It's so rough they had to put a balance bar in it so the Crumpodore plastic trim bits wouldn't crack. Intrinsically flawed design....it's a 90 degree V6 when ideally it should be 60 degrees. Big low revving heavy cast iron mooring block.
Your car, you do what you like. The performance figures are at best optimistic, but I think Norbie was right when he quoted The Castle - "They're dreaming!"
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Tue, 15 April 2003 01:17
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Pfft, I used to sit with my mate in his VT against my 1993 Corolla RV (7AFE). They are definently not quick (standard). Go for something with OHC's man!!
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Tue, 15 April 2003 01:43
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Lol, I think most ppl here are trying to give you advice to steer away from an overly heavy, pushrod, rough 6! (I mean Toyota got rid of these after the 2T and 5K didn't they? (push rods that is) Maybe for a reason?) The motor is fine for a Commodore (I mean all that Commodore drivers like to do from what I see is drop burnouts!) but compared to your other options it doesn't perform as well and will drink like a student on Uni night!
Don't runin it with a crappy engine choice! However in the end it is your car, and your choice! We'd just like to see ya make a Toyota choice 
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Tue, 15 April 2003 01:57
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By the time you get the POS Holden engine fitted, you could've spent about the same for a much lighter 1GGTE, fits just as easy if not easier, and has more potential for power...
My bill runs into the mid-4000's, but that includes a big intercooler, the piping, little bits like engine seals, filters fluids. Thats doing it myself though, and starting with a good platform (i.e. already had a 1GEU). That includes a new heavy duty clutch too.
Don't sell yourself short because by the time you buy a front cut, sell off bits, utilise the factory IC, as long as you do your homework you should be able to do better than the Commonwhore V6...
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Tue, 15 April 2003 01:58
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On the up side, as there are so many of these engines around, parts are dirt cheap.
Go on, do it. Dare to be different!
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Tue, 15 April 2003 02:01
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Oh, and replacement 1G's are pretty cheap too 
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Tue, 15 April 2003 02:06
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the ecotec 6's are a good choice, i got my old VN to run 13's with a SC kit from the castelmaine rod shop, it just bolted right on... i bagained and ended up getting 2 different types of pulley - low and high (funnily enough) low ran about 4psi and high went up to about 7-8
if you want brute power your gonna need 8 cylinders, such as the 1UZ-FE, or if its your thing an old carbie 350 chev, high comps, lumpy cams, extractors, port and polish, balance... (and you probs wouldnt end up with more hp than the toyota 8  )
the 1G would give exectional performance and drivability, but you can only extract so much torque from a 2.0L, given that they are turbocharged it does make it a lot easier to get hp from them, but the eaton SC kit is just as easy and reasonably priced (i'm not sure what they go for now, but i got mine a few years ago for $1300 and i got 2 dfferent types of pulley thrown in )
i dont like the 3S-GTE, never have, although ppl are squeezing some nice hp outta them nowodays
P.S someone mentioned the V6 being an old engine?? what about the 1G
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Tue, 15 April 2003 02:13
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What don't you like about the 3SGTE? The only real downside I can think of is that they didn't come in RWD.
You'd have to think about how much torque do you need? The car isn't a big barge like a Commonwhore, Narks car weighed 1220kg with half a tank of fuel.
Aside from that you have the bonus of being able to drive off boost to get some decent fuel economy, with power on tap when you need it...
Oh, and then you have the fact the car handles.
As for not having torque, or limited potential...check out TRACTION_ISSUES car...
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Tue, 15 April 2003 03:10
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P.S someone mentioned the V6 being an old engine?? what about the 1G
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Pffffttt, they are OLD. (The 3.8's that is), they originated from bloody 60's Buick engines!!!!
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Tue, 15 April 2003 03:27
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If you want more power just wind up the boost!
What?! the Holden engine doesn't have a turbo?
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Tue, 15 April 2003 04:09
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Come on guys give Bozey-Mon a break. Maybe he just wants low down stump pulling 3000 rpm redlining torque. Talk it up Tommy!
And you can't get the above with sissy 'G-Series' Yamaha race bred efi twin cam 2.0L engines!
Hell! I wouldnt even call a 2.0L an engine. I'd call it a Motor! Yeah, just for 'motoring' at 10km/hr to the milkbar to get ya messages and ciggies!
If you want torque, ya gotta start talking pushrods!
Who needs this new-fangled over head cam crap, the cam belongs down below, producing shitloads of fucking torque!
The pushrod engine, is the man, who wants his power and torque now! When his toots tap the loud pedal, he wants to feel instant 752 truck pulling torque! He no hanging around, waiting for his twin cams and torbow to spool up.
Keep Torquing hey!
Oh yeah 1g-gte are crap according to Autoweb. Read thru the article and you'll see what I mean.
http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/A_0687/article.html
Its Flamin men! Hallaluah! Its Flamin Men!
ps I am mentally disabled.
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Tue, 15 April 2003 04:22
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Slap in a L67
That is the Factory S/C holden V6
It is the VS- VT ecotec V6 with an Eaton M20 Blower strapped to it. These are rated at 165fwkw.
That would be good.
(It kinda would be a toyota motor - the Holden V6 are used in a Lexcen )
In the states they get these things to run 12's no worries
Check out
www.clubgp.com
They have heaps of info on these engines
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Tue, 15 April 2003 04:38
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P.S someone mentioned the V6 being an old engine?? what about the 1G
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Pffffttt, they are OLD. (The 3.8's that is), they originated from bloody 60's Buick engines!!!!
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yes, sixties designed when buick had them in FWD cars
holden did a lot of work on them to improve power/revability... and are you saying that they are using the exact same design as they did in the buicks? please, why else would toyota put its badge on a holden if it wasnt up to scratch...
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Tue, 15 April 2003 04:46
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If you are not mechanically compotent enough to do an engine swap yourself it will never be cheap.
Even those of us that are, it still costs more than you think.
Giving someone $5k to put a boat anchor into your SA63, because you can't put a 3S-GTE into it yourself, is one hell of a compromise!!
Here in NZ you can pick up a ST185 GT-four for around $6k, I dunno what they go for in OZ but maybe a new car is an easier way to get the performace you want.
If I was lucky enough to have a SA63 (pretty rare in NZ) I would go with the 3S-GTE.
Just my 2c.
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Tue, 15 April 2003 05:02
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please, why else would toyota put its badge on a holden if it wasnt up to scratch...
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easy...toyota was forced into doing it.
here is an extract from an article on the history of toyota australia.
"As a matter of interest, it was also sold here from 1989 onwards as the Holden Apollo, as part of a joint Holden/Toyota
marketing venture introduced under pressure from the Australian government, which wanted to reduce the proliferation of car models. This continued until 1996, with the equivalent Holden Commodore being sold under Toyota Lexcen badging, before being dropped."
http://www.cartoday.com/content/car_magazine/speci al_reports/2001/toyota_camry/index4.asp
With the work ethic and philosophy toyota like to abide by there is no way they would willingly have taken on the holden crapodore into their line up.
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Tue, 15 April 2003 05:03
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| toycelica77 wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 14:38 |
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P.S someone mentioned the V6 being an old engine?? what about the 1G
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Pffffttt, they are OLD. (The 3.8's that is), they originated from bloody 60's Buick engines!!!!
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and are you saying that they are using the exact same design as they did in the buicks?
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Did I say they are using the exact same design?!?! NO!!
I said, ok, read carefully now:
they originated from bloody 60's Buick engines
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please, why else would toyota put its badge on a holden if it wasnt up to scratch
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Why did Holden put a badges on a Camry? Because they did not have a small to medium sized car. And visa-versa with Toyota.
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Tue, 15 April 2003 05:27
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What are you dudes torquing about! There was no pressure from the government for Toyota to take the Holden Commoborewater (yummy, kinda rehydrating) and slap Lexus badges on it.
Toyota made the decision which full knowledge that they were lacking a car with Pushrods!!!!!!!!!!!!
The biggest mistake Toyota made was switching to twin cam ducati engineered, lotus tuned engines back in the late 70s.
Holden, very smart Holden presevered with a proven engine design, simple, light all alloy pushrod, cast iron block, shitloads, i mean fuckloads of torque, and forever reliable. I dont know about you but I have never heard of a unreliable Holden v8.
Toyota knew they were onto a good thing with badge swapping, and with Toyota recently launching there luxury Lexus range, what could be more boosting to the new marque, then rebadging a high class vn Holden with Lexus badges?
You Toyota guys are completely misguided!
Wa! Billy
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Tue, 15 April 2003 05:35
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why not put an engine from a 1990 TOYOTA Lexen in it.
oh yeah, that's right, it's the 3.8L Buick (Commodore) engine in it....in a Toyota, from the factory. 
yes, it only does about 16.2 secs in a Commodore/Lexcen...but that is about 1600 kgs worth.
not the smoothest of engines but they go...and since your not running the standard gearbox, then that be be great, as the MAIN let down on Commodore engines is the box..
don't listen to wankers who seem to only point you towards an engine simply coz it's a certain brand.
brand names don't mean sh*t, i'm sure if it was a Toyota motor they would be saying yeah go for it.
let's face it, i have always been a Holden man, but i like the new BA Falcan better than the new VY Commodore, i'm not gonna sit around saying..."oh the Commodore is better...you can't buy a Ford"...what a load of sh*t.
it's a good performing engine for what it's worth, very quick take off, but they don't have a lot of potential if you wanna whack on a turbo/supercharger...i wouldn't go there at all, but for a stockish type engine, it goes alright!
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Tue, 15 April 2003 05:49
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The point everyone i think is trying to make though is that there are a heap of engines that are lighter, smoother engine that although being stockish have more than enough to take it to the V6 and DO have potential.
As for it just being that it doesn't have Toyota branding, the main reason is that Toyota hasn't made such and old school engine in a long while, they've moved on....
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Tue, 15 April 2003 05:50
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thefastj if you really think we are basing this argument on brand names then you obviously havent read this whole thread.
there are valid points above that should be taken into account such as, ease of swap, age, weight, power, respond better to mods, fuel economy, etc etc etc.
i can think of many other engines that are non toyota that are a MUCH better alternative than the holden engine.
ie:
CA18DET
SR20DET
RB20DET
13BT
EJ20
various engines from BMW, Audi and Mercedes
and if u want more facts just check out:
http://www.toymods.org.au/events.php and look at the figures at each dyno day
then check out
http://www.toymods.org.au/tech.html for how easy it is to install these engines
then go here
SEARCH and search for threads on 1G-GTE fuel economy
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Tue, 15 April 2003 05:55
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Man, I just read that article in AutoWeb.
the guy who wrote that sounds like he the kind of person that likes the ricers. I think he'd choke if he saw what some guys here were pulling out of the 1g's. I'd love to get a 1G-GTE for $150.
One more thing. tell me if I'm wrong but wouldn't putting in a holden V6 stuff up the weighting on the front end of this guys car, Stuffing the handling???
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Tue, 15 April 2003 06:02
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and yeah, i admit, other engines WOULD probably work better...
BUT, in terms on money, the V6 would probly be the cheapest option, these go fairly cheap nowadays..
as usual, it all comes down to what you wanna spend. 
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Tue, 15 April 2003 06:13
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yeah ill give u that thefastj, there are some pointless (and funny) posts on here that might give the impression that its a brand biased thread.
filter them out and there are some good posts in there, perhaps i was arguing the point that I personally am not brand biased, which i should have specified.
my bad, anyways carry on...
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Tue, 15 April 2003 06:47
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| thefastj wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 15:35 |
why not put an engine from a 1990 TOYOTA Lexen in it.
oh yeah, that's right, it's the 3.8L Buick (Commodore) engine in it....in a Toyota, from the factory.
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Tue, 15 April 2003 06:54
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yeah that article would be talking about a 1g-fe
chuck two turbs on that and watch what they say about the slow is200
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Tue, 15 April 2003 06:59
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The reason I posted that is because I couldn't believe that someone on here would even consider putting that V6 into an SA63!
And as for it being a cheaper swap than a 3S, well this is a whole load of shit! I bet someone had a severe case of wankers cramp after telling him that shit!
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this sounds a lot like the arguments that me and my mates used to have down at the pub (they like their 'old iron'), the point every body is missing is WTF do you want to put a cannon muffler on a 3.8 for - surely all present will agree (even those who love their pushrods) that sports exhaust systems on any of these holden V6's sound terrible!!!!!
the second point(s) i'd like to make
1)when you have power you can get torque (through gearing)
2)when you have torque you can't get power!!(*)
(*)disclamer- this is of course without modifying the motor.
if its any consolation to the pushrod fraternity, i like the buik/rover 3.5+..V8 at least its made of alloy, and they do sound great!
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| JDM hachi wrote on Tue, 15 April 2003 17:26 |
if its any consolation to the pushrod fraternity, i like the buik/rover 3.5+..V8 at least its made of alloy, and they do sound great!
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Mehhh...with 1UZFEs coming in at the same price and having double the power (and torque).....
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i was thinking from a bogan perspective (ie pushrods and simplicity!! )
yeah the 1uz does sound like the go if you want max cubes but in the end i would go the 1ggtte, if i was after ease of fitment
sometimes it doesn't pay to be different, better to go a proven route- look at the ridicule that the poor bastard who started this thread is getting!!!
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yeah that article would be talking about a 1g-fe
chuck two turbs on that and watch what they say about the slow is200
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Read it again, properly this time. He does mention the 1GGTE and the 1GGZE's. But yes, the article is supposed to be about the IS200 with the 1G-FE. So your saying "chuck two turbos on that and watch what they say about the slow is200", you'd throw 2 turbs on the 1G-FE?
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That dude obviously doesn't know his shit. Quite a few people have turbocharged their 1GFE's in IS200's and theres always the 1GGTE. He praises and awaits the coming of the IS300, which would be slower than a 1GGTE...is he dumb or what?
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He sounded very biased to me...
Sounds like a 1J owner wrote that article !
Didn't even give the 7M any recognition !
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holden v6's are rough ..they dont like to rev ( vibrate to all hell ) and reallyare only good for their intended purpose of living in a commodore taxi's engine bay ..
IMHO youd realy regret having one of these in your engine bay - even a supercharged version , Hell the supercharged V6's in the current commonwhores dont even have the pip to keep up with STOCK STANDARD BA FALCONS for christs sake - let alone the turbo ..
If you want aussie big car motors - get the ford inline 6 in AU or BA form - turbo/supercharge that and enjoy about 240KW at the instead of a pissy 180..
I agree though with the majority - 1 GGTE! its the logical choice for you beast Unless you RWD a 3sgte.. hang on a sec - didnt the sa63's have 3tgte's ? or was that only the imported ones or are they 1g family ?
If you want torque - pick a JZ motor - and shoe horn that puppy in ..
Buddy - any holden motor isnt worth a piece of poo these days - the last good holden motor was the 5 litres that came out of fishermans bend that ended up in the series 1 VT's they were a good v8 .. the Gen thrres are majorly plaugued with issues - just read any motoring rag or talk to any SS or Staesman driver ..
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<edit> sorry, i made a bad comment, which i shouldn't have..... my appologies to all </edit>
now as for the motor, please dude - don't butcher you lovely celica and waste valuable dollars attempting to fit such a abortion of a motor. Not only are there better performing motors from Toyota, but there are the other Jap manufacturers to consider also (dont forget the good-ol SR20 and CA18!!). And not only are these motors generally better, but they will no doubt fit into your car without having to play fankenstien with your transmission tunnel, nor will they require poorly placed engine mountings (expensive ones too!)
Seriously!! you could get a far better performing jap motor into your car faaaar cheaper than this *idea* of yours.
Think about it - toyota car, likes toyota motor. Holden car, should keep its holden motor...
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dont drag robbo's conversion onto this thread PLEASE!!!
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Tue, 15 April 2003 11:23
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holy shit now its turning into put a FORD PUSHROD MOTOR IN..... THEY ARE BETTER, GROW UP AND STICK WITH WHAT YOU KNOW, NOTHING
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1)when you have power you can get torque (through gearing)
2)when you have torque you can't get power!!(*)
i don't get this....torque makes power....
what's the sum again...??
power = (torque*rpm)/5100 or something like that...i dunno
the early V6 (VN) engines didn't rev high because they had a bit of torque, whereas the later model ones rev higher but create peak torque only at those higher revs...not down low like the early ones..
the last good holden motor was the 5 litres that came out of fishermans bend that ended up in the series 1 VT's they were a good v8
i totally agree! 
but hey, i'm happy with my 1uz for now anyway!
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LOL
Fuck some of you guys get bitchy!!
The only reason I said go the holden was for the cheapness, simplicity and torque. face it, VN's are such a piece of shit you can get an auto for 500 buck most weeks in the TP.
any Joe-corner mechanic can fix it (ever tried taking a 1G to ultratune??? it takes em 20 minutes to find out where to put the fuel...)
parts are cheap of piss and you can get them anywhere anyone tried getting new part for a 1g? Then try it anywhere other than Sydney!!
Obviously it'd never be a "fast" car, it'd handle like...well like a VN cmmodore. That's why I said give it an auto. it'd make a far, far better cruiser than a 1g or 3s would.
It depends on what you want, if you want a track car, then fuck off the POS but if you only wanna drag the v8 boys at the traffic light GP then perhaps the V^ is the way to go.
One other thing, there is no way in hell that an 18R celica could keep up with a vn. and on that note, 3.8 V6's are better than 18r's
also, look into using an early comp (the delco) cause it's tuneable, I think perhaps the later motors weren't able to be tweaked with the kalmaker.
Ooh, remember guys, I have a 1G, yes, they go fast, but I think the v6 is a better alternative for cruisin' (tried cruising at 4500 RPM lately??)
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tim - please DO NOT knock the 18R... they are good motors.
now read what pumpkin said about beating a VN.
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See the 18R-G.... maybe you got confused or something, becuase he speaks the truth. I have an 18R-G also which is running rich as and i can still flog the pants off a V6 commonwhore, no sweat.
3.8 V6's are better than an 18R-C.. YES
BUT NOT AN 18R-G... no way! And i'm yet to be proven otherwise at the traffic lights GP.
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Tue, 15 April 2003 21:23
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| RA28 wrote on Wed, 16 April 2003 00:34 |
The only reason I said go the holden was for the cheapness, simplicity and torque. face it, VN's are such a piece of shit you can get an auto for 500 buck most weeks in the TP.
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The engine itself might be cheap, but there is no way in hell you will be able to get that engine fitted and running in an SA63 for less than what a 1G conversion would cost!
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Come on there baby cakies, no need to get angry now! STOP GETTING F**KING ANGRY!
A msg to the Toyota Loyalists: if you want to give the impression that Toyota engines are better (to win this argument), you have to stop saying "Yeah man Toyota engines are better, just put a turbo or two on it!"
Hmmmm. So if they have no turbo, they are shithouse?
Is that what you dudes are saying? Sure sounds like it.
You gotta say cool things about toyota engines, WITHOUT turbies!
Uh ha! re: Autoweb
Pushie man Pushies
Wa!
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Witzl said in a previous thread above this puppy, that the Supercharged Commos can't keep up with stock falcos.
Um....yes they can. In fact there quicker.
You seem to forget the new ba is one heavy car.
No buts! Supercharged commo is quicker.
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Wow, this thread sure took off in a hurry!
I'd like to point out that when it comes to engine conversions, the base cost of the engine/transmission is the smaller part of the equation... MOST of the cost is labour! Sure you can get rattly 2nd-hand V6's for next to nothing, but think of the fabrication work involved trying to get it mounted, making a custom tailshaft, possibly bashing out the transmission tunnel, splicing the Holden wiring into a Toyota loom, and the dozens of other little things you'd have to take care of.
Meanwhile, the 1G into Celica swap has been done many times, it's very well documented, and it's been proven to be relatively easy as engine swaps go. You don't need to modify the transmission tunnel, in fact the transmission bolts up to the factory mounting points and you can use the original tailshaft! The wiring is an easier job too (eg Toyota tend to use the same colour coding across models). A Toyota engine into a Toyota car is always going to be easier than a completely different make of engine into a Toyota car.
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