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F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 01:46
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Which model Toyotas come with F series diff and LSD center? Thanks!
Leon
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Wichita, Ks, USA
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 01:52
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i know mk2 supras with axle code FXX3 did.
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NSW
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 02:23
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MA61 Supra?
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Wichita, Ks, USA
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 02:24
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yes
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 03:11
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Yeah more commonly, Some Hi-ace vans apparently had a 4.1:1 'F' series LSD in them.
What are your plans for the diff?
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Perth, WA
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 05:17
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this is the question i have been asking recently.
As far as i know, SOLID (Live axle) F series diffs come in
1) RA60 era celicas
2) ST141 Corona (I HOPE but i doubt a lot, can anyone confirm this???)
3) Hiace
4) MkII Corona (early70's one)
5) MkII Crown (again early 70's)
6) Anything else???????
The LSD centre is available in the supras, litace??, Hilus IFS front diff, and as a Detroit True-Trac TorSen centre that is designed for the front of a Hilux.
The ST141 almost bolts into a sprinter and does not need shortening.. but it looks like i might need to get some thing cut down which increases cost dramatically 
Cheers
Mike
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 05:29
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RA60's came with live-axle T-series diffs. The RA65 came with IRS F-series like Supra only no LSD.
The MA46 Supra had a live-axle F-series too.
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Perth, WA
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 05:32
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Ah huh.
Cheers for that. You dont see many MA46 supras around tho!
Well if the Ra60 celica has a T series, the Corona ST141 Avante would have a T series as well i would have to say. BUT, it has disks..
Mike
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 05:38
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Probably almost as rare, the MA45 Supra diff also has rear discs, is a T-series also, but I'm told has REALLY chunky axles and stuff?
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Perth, WA
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 05:49
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Thats the thing.. i dont actually break diffs...... i wear them out...3 in 40 000km (4agze, now GTE into ae86)
I have run a locker for 12 months or so, and given it a lot of shit, and have not broken an axle yet...and my car axle tramps a lot which breaks diffs something cruel..and this is with a S series diff, just 6.38" and smaller than a T series..
They just get noisey and start whining and humming....
Might take my chances with a Avante diff, that will give me disk rear for only 150 bucks  , as well as a slightly larger diff than i have.. 
Mike
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NSW
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 07:45
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Does all MA61 with IRS got LSD? I saw a rear end today but they said it was a open center.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 08:01
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I'm pretty sure all the Australian delivered ones did. I have a vague feeling some of them might not have, possibly some import autos...
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NSW
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 08:47
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They said it's come off a MA61 that with no fender flares.
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 09:11
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Import MA61's didn't have flares, either like an NZ one or a Celica XX from Japan. They came in so many different specs its confusing though!
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NSW
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 20 June 2002 09:25
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I see. Does the MA61 IRS LSD center bolt straight into a F series live axle diff? Thank you
Leon
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 21 June 2002 09:22
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Yes, all F series diff centres are interchangeable. If you happen to find an F series LSD out of an MA61 Supra (good luck) you can bolt it into an F series live axle from a Corona MkII, LiteAce, etc.
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NSW
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 21 June 2002 09:45
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I found one but they want $440 for it..
Leon
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 21 June 2002 10:11
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That's a steal.
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Finland
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June 2002
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Adelaide
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June 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sat, 22 June 2002 01:49
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It's a clutch pack device, no torque sensing ala torsen lsd's.
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I supported Toymods
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NE Melbourne
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sat, 22 June 2002 08:24
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AE86_Sprinter
you mentioned the front diff from a hilux... and to me it sounded like you said they have a torque sensing unit that is campatible with an F-series diff. can you tell me more???
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Finland
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June 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sat, 22 June 2002 10:03
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'ma61_turbo'
yes, i am talking about clutch pack lsd which is also torque sensing.
people seem to relate torque sensing lsd's to quaife made marvel (which is an engenius array of machined wheels).
have a look in the net, type 'kaaz' name in search engine. that is one manufacturer of torq sensing clutch pack type lsd.
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Adelaide
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June 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sun, 23 June 2002 04:43
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Ahh, didn't realise you could get clutch pack devices that were torque sensing. But anyway, the supra lsd doesn't 
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Banned member
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sun, 23 June 2002 05:36
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if you found that LSD at PHW wreckers dont get it they are a huge rip off
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NSW
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sun, 23 June 2002 10:44
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I did phone them but they don't have any... 
Leon
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NSW
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Mon, 24 June 2002 08:14
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Bought one today out of a Liteace 4X4, F283, 4.30 ratio. Axle is 28mm & 27spline 
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melb
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Mon, 24 June 2002 12:19
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hiaaa, just a few questions about your liteace diff
did you buy the whole axle assembly or just the centre
if so, hows the width compare to sprinter one(full housing width)
what model liteace was it, eg model/year?
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I supported Toymods
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NE Melbourne
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May 2002
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane, QLD
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Mon, 24 June 2002 12:44
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Speaking of Torsen LSDs, some G series diffs off mark IV Supras are actually Torsen diffs. I am not sure which codes are Torsen. But IIRC, I think they were in post 1996 export mark IVs.
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NSW
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Tue, 25 June 2002 08:09
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I think the axle code for the Torsen LSD is 9.
I just bought the LSD center because I got a F hosing under my sprinter already and it's come with the car (that's the main reason I bought it.) It's about 1292mm width (Sprinter S-series:1278mm), axle bearing is 25mm. I have some picture here hope that would help: http://photos.yahoo.com/hiaaa
Cheers
Leon
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Location:
melb
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Tue, 25 June 2002 08:45
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more questions sorry to be a pest but...
whats the f series housing from, is that width stock or has it been shortened..
I thought AE86 had a T series diff as standard not S series...
I cant remember what the ID plate said on my old 86..
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NSW
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Tue, 25 June 2002 09:00
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Jap AE86 got T series but Aus has S-series.
I don't know what's my diff hosing from as it come with the car, and it doesn't seems been shortened.
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melb
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Tue, 25 June 2002 09:14
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cheers,
I wonder why thy bothered to downgrade it for australia.
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I supported Toymods
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Brisbane, QLD
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 27 June 2002 12:06
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Which year/model liteace had the F series diff?
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Newcastle
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 27 June 2002 12:47
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hey what is the diff  between a t and an F series differential anyway? did all early hiluxs come out with an LSD diff?
and does a hilix diff come with all the shock mounts and panhard rod mounts and stuff in the correct spots?
what series is a hilux diff?
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 28 June 2002 07:50
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T series = 6.7" ring gear
F series = 7.5" ring gear
The ring gear diameter is a pretty good indication of the overall strength of the diff... so the F series is a lot stronger than the T series, and it's also physically larger and heavier. This means the extra strength comes at the expense of more drivetrain losses and more unsprung weight (for live axle cars).
Most Hilux's come with an open diff, especially the earlier models. A good source of Hilux LSD's these days is the grey-import Hilux Surf, which comes with a rear LSD centre as standard.
All Hilux's have a leaf-sprung live axle, hence no panhard rod and no mounting points for trailing arms or coil springs. So if you want to shove one into a Celica, you have to chop the mounting brackets off your Celica axle housing and have it welded to the Hilux axle housing. This has to be done on a jig by someone with top-notch welding skills - definitely not a job for the backyarder (not if you value your life anyway).
All Hilux's and Hiace's have G series diffs (8" ring gear).
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Aucks NZ
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June 2002
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Seattle area, USA
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June 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sat, 29 June 2002 09:14
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here in the USA/CAN market the 79-81 MA4X Supra all had F series diffs only very few with LSD, i have only seen 3.91 gears in the ma4x. The 82-86 MA6X Supra that are the "P" types(Perfromance), all seem to have the LSD all IRS F series, ranging from 4.30, 3.91, 3.73, 4.10:1. The RA6X series.. 83-84 Celi's have the T, the 85 has the F and some had LSD. 83-85 GTS are all IRS. 83 drums, 84-85 disc, the 83-85 GT/ST are live axle w/drum.
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Mentone
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 05 July 2002 05:23
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Does anyone have the widths of the various f series diffs that can fit in an ae86 with only brackets changed. I do not mind a slightly wider diff but do not want to shorten it
Brad
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NSW
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Perth, WA
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Mentone
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sun, 07 July 2002 09:28
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I went for a walk around a wreckers today the only f series car i could find was an errly 80s crown MS112. Thw width from hub face to hub face was only 4cm wider. I an not sure but i think that it may be 5 stud because at another place i saw a newer crown and it was 5 stud? does anyone know for sure?
I could not find a f series hilux or hiace but i did not see heaps. What model should i be looking at.
Brad
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NSW
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sun, 07 July 2002 10:47
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All the Hilux and Hiace I saw at wreckers are G series. I think the Crown MS112 got disc & drum handbrake which is not bad.
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sun, 07 July 2002 15:51
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So does anyone know if the Crown's had LSD's ?!!?!?
What did the ID plate say? any idea mate?
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NSW
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Sun, 07 July 2002 23:31
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I saw a Crown MS112 last week, it has open center F292 4.1 ratio.
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Aucks NZ
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June 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Mon, 08 July 2002 07:03
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ja dats right
ms112 (5m-eu) has F292 diff. saw one at my local wrecker last weekend so i put my name on it has internal drum hand brake and outer disk brake. pretty heavy compared to a 'u' 6".
also ms110 has F3#2 diff. can't remember the third digit. it was something like a 4.6:1 ratio when i looked it up.
the early celica/supra #A61 has 'F' lsd as an option
ma70 supra has 'G' 8" lsd (G##5) as optional.
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Mon, 08 July 2002 08:28
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Note that it's a piece of piss to remove the open diff centre from a Crown axle and replace it with an F series LSD from a Hiace/Supra/whatever. The same trick works for Hilux G-series rear ends - you can fit a late-model G series LSD to an early model axle.
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Mon, 08 July 2002 09:08
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All Crowns, at least from 1960 onwards, are 5 stud. Most Crowns in Australia had open diffs, but LSD was certainly available as an option.
The MS112 diff is 1410 mm wide from hubface to hubface. You can swap an LSD centre from a Supra into the Crown carrier. They are damn heavy. Easy to convert to vented disc. It has an internal drum handbrake (diameter of internal drum is ~167 mm).
Corona Mk2 has F series diff too. No LSD, and mostly 3.9:1.
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Aucks NZ
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June 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Tue, 09 July 2002 08:51
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ive always wandered about swapping lsd's.
are you saying its pretty easy pulling the diff apart taking the spider gears out and replacing them with the lsd (if thats how u do it) or did u mean swapping the whole diff head?
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Wed, 10 July 2002 08:37
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Yeah, you pull the axles out and swap the whole diff centre. No need to pull the diff apart, it comes out as a unit.
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Aucks NZ
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June 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Wed, 10 July 2002 09:59
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oh ok
ez-pz
but ur limited to the ratio that the lsd diff comes with doin it this way
oh well
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Mentone
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 11 July 2002 01:02
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You can swap the ring gear and pinion over from your old diff to the lsd one. If you do not know how to setup the clearances and backlash you can take both centres to a diff shop and ask them to do it. It would be a good idea fro them to check it and replace the bearings as well
Brad
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 11 July 2002 05:30
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Nice!
SO what ur saying is, i can get a stupid ratio'd LSD centre from say a Liteace, and then swap over the vital gears from my Non-LSD centre F series 3.9:1 ratio diff, Transplant them to make an LSD F series with 3.9:1 ratio?!?!
That would be cool if possible! anyone done it!?
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 11 July 2002 05:43
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What you say is correct. If you are going to do all that, best you put a new set of bearings in too, as suggested above.
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NSW
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May 2002
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Mentone
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Thu, 11 July 2002 10:06
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I just got an email from toyospares in melbourne.
This is for a st141
It is similar, being just 25 mm wider in track. The top mounts are about 10mm wider, and the lower mounts about 20mm wider.
As for LSD, we don't believe any ST141 had one, we have never seen one.However the diff is probably similar in housing size to something from
Holden or Ford. A ST141 disc rear from us is $300.00.
Who knows what diff centre this corona has?
Brad
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Perth, WA
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 12 July 2002 01:14
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this is the point that i raised back on the 20th of last month, at the start of this thread.
I cant see how a car thi ssmall wouyld have a F series, especially if the biggest motor was a 22R (2.4ltr).
Would be nice to get a definitive answer tho.
I measured about 20mm wider too, which is too much wider for me  My tyres clear the guards by about 3mm each side as is...
Mike
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Brisbane QLD
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June 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 12 July 2002 02:14
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what would be the easiest and cheapest way to get a lsd into a TA22 celica housing?
What parts would i need and what cars should i scavange the parts from?
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Brisbane
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July 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 12 July 2002 04:17
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I have been around and measured hiaaa's diff up and the only conclusion I can draw is that it was not a straight bolt up jobbie. I don't recall any toyotas with diffs and mounting points like that. I believe (don't quote me I could be wrong) that his diff is an perhapsan early hiace diff with 'S' series sprinter mounts welded onto them. I say hiace because they are uncannily the same width as a sprinters original setup. It has had a simple disc brake conversion done on it also, not a factory setup. Hence the reason he can choose what diff centre he wants to run.
NoPsi
(P.s.- thanks to hiaaa for letting me come round and measure it. )
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Perth, WA
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May 2002
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Re: F series with LSD?
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Fri, 12 July 2002 04:57
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I thought Hiace was G series, Litace F series??
Mike
Welding mount son is fine fo rme, I can do all my own welding and manufacturing, shortening etc etc.
If i need to shorten tho, I will need the get teh axled done by someone tho..
I think I will start to look for a Litace/Corona MkII/Crown MkII diff
Mike
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series diffs!!!!
fair price?