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Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 03:31
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Last night I was parked in a carpark in Long Reef. Me and a friend were just sitting in the car eating, when a cop car stopped right next to me with their headlights facing right at me. They told me and my friend to get out of the car and searched us. Then they searched my car, pulling out everything thing they could. In the search all they could find were 3 screwdrivers in my glovebox for which they gave me a $550 fine for each of them. Its bullshit.
When they asked me why I had them I told them that the guy who I had bought the car off a week earlier, had left them in there along with a whole heap of other crap. Then I said "Plus im a mechanic. I always keep screwdrivers around" to that the stupid woman officer said "So now you're changing your story?".
Even though me and my friend have no police records, didnt talk back and co-operated with them they still treated us like criminals. I have a completely stock 92 corolla so I don't understand why they came straight to me in the carpark.
Has this happened to anyone before? Is there a way to contest the fines or something? There is no way I can afford to pay over a grand and a half in fines. Thanks for your help.
-Josh
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Canberra
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Wed, 23 April 2003 03:59
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That is absolute bulls*&t.
When the fine comes contest it and send it back if you have to go to court over it it will probably just get laughed at.
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 04:19
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Its illegal to cary screw drivers???
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 04:19
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that kinda sucks.
the other day these two undercover cops were going around hassling people (who admittedly did look dodgy) near where i live (i was walking home from a hardware store)
the second (junkie who was being hassled) one i heard saying "you can search me, don't you need a warrant??"
i just kept walking, as i had an 8 inch screwdriver in my inside jacket pocket, i didn't know the fine would be that high though.
did youy try laughing at them when they questioned you about the screwdrivers? i would have thought that would settle it.
id be screwed, there id at least one knife in my glove box at the moment, not to mention a whole toolbox full of screwdrivers. maybeye you should have kept them in a toolbox in the boot? don't cops know that road rage weapons are traditionally stored under the driver seat??
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October 2002
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 04:30
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Apparantly you can only carry screwdrivers or other tools is in a toolbox in your boot. Which is what I do. I just didnt know that the guy had left them in there. And I dont think the guy I bought the car from wants to stand up un court and say he put them there because then they would probobly give him the fines.
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Brisbane, Queensland
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 05:46
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| shinybluesteel wrote on Wed, 23 April 2003 14:19 |
i just kept walking, as i had an 8 inch screwdriver in my inside jacket pocket
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id be screwed, there id at least one knife in my glove box at the moment
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Umm.....what the fu*k for??
Cal.
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I supported Toymods
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Wed, 23 April 2003 06:13
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He was on his way home from the hardware store, so he must have just bought it.
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 07:17
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Just take it to court! The judge will just laugh it off! There is not one thing wrong with having screwdrivers in the glovebox.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 07:18
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Just out of interest, what was the exact charge?
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North Sydney
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 07:26
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As the other guys suggest take it to court, the judge will laugh it out of the court room.
It'll also make the two cops who fined you sit around at the court room all day, which is my favourite part cause it pisses them off big time and their bosses get the shits especially when you get off scott free cause they've wasted paying two farked coppers for a day to do absolutley nothing but have the court prove they were way out of line! 
I've done the same thing, also represent yourself, I got off an unlicensed, uninsured and unregistered vehicle fine totalling $970 back then when I was 14. The judge couldn't beleive the cop who fined me, didn't cost me a cent. 
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Wed, 23 April 2003 10:37
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The gave me three fines for being in possesion of a concealed wepaon or something along those lines. $550 each comes to $1650. Thats like 2 months pay for me. Crappy first year wages.
SUPRAGTE- How the hell did you get out of that?
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Wed, 23 April 2003 11:51
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Josh dude sorry to hear that
Id soooooo not accept that
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 11:57
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I was riding a peewee 50 along the side of the pacific highway on the gravel in Taree. I was buying some meat pies from the servo for lunch for my boss from the bike shop when i got pulled over and fined.
Elected to go to court, without representation. He asked me my story, i told it as it was and he said well the orificer has gone completely overboard and i'm sure you'll think about what you do next time.
Yes your honour, thankyou very much for your time. And I was outta there
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 11:58
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I dont know why your stressing dude! Just take it to court and let the judge laugh at it!
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 12:40
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to court.. GOOO to court!!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 13:04
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im guessing the police had a boring nite and needed somthing to do.
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 13:09
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why do cops treat everyone like crims?
shouldnt they try to improve their relationship with the community? cops should just do their job and treat you with a degree of respect because yes, cops work for YOU.
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 20:00
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Gosh, in that case, I'd be really dead since I've got a few screwdrivers in my door pockets. Better avoid the beaches at night totally... that's just people with nothing better to do than to fXck other people around for no reason.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 21:09
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that is fucking crap
go and find one of those free lawyers/pay only if you win - they'll absolutely LOVE a case like this!
is it any wonder *some* people have a poor opinion of the police force?
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 23:36
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that's rediculous.
I wonder what they would do to me
I've got about 30 wires in the back seat that could be used as garrots.
I've got almost a whole screwdriver set rolling around in my back seat, plus a soldering iron (which would do a lot of damage if I stabbed someone in the eye), also a knife for paring wires, a socket wrench, an ecu that could be thrown at someone.
but unless you get the two nastiest cops in sydney, it should *not* be an issue.
in addition to taking it to court, I'd be loding a formal complaint against the two cops
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Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 23 April 2003 23:42
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and i thought my 150 dollar fine for not having my p's licence on me sucked. like everyone else is saying take it to court you will save yourself 1650 u never should have to pay
Daniel.
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Re: Goddamn police
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Thu, 24 April 2003 07:32
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I wonder if cops would clean my car up while they search it... anyone who has been inside my car will understand what I mean.
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Thu, 24 April 2003 07:59
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I dont think so bugman. They took everything out of my car and left it on the road for me to clean up.
I know I wont have to pay the fines, I just didnt want to have to go to court. My boss (ex cop/barrister) gave me a whole heap of advice today on how to keep it from going to court so that was good.
I just hate the fact that police treat everyone like a criminal, especially teenagers with cars. I know they have to be cautious when they are approaching someone but you can see straight away if they are a threat or not. Whats worse is they put a 'tag' on my car so if I get pulled over by cops again they will "approach me more aggresively" as so put by the policewoman who fucked me over.
Thanks for all your help. Much appreciated.
~Josh
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Thu, 24 April 2003 07:59
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Damn staight, your messier than a $2 whore.
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Thu, 24 April 2003 08:28
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Ahh your on the blacklist
thats homo
Some bounver at a bottlo gave my plate no. to the cops cause they thought i was dealing....all i was doing was waiting for friends
but no....P plater hanging round....must be selling drugs
Yeah josh u r a bit of a psyco at tech
Mani
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Thu, 24 April 2003 08:59
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Fully...You better watch out, Mani......Ive got screwdrivers
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Perth - Cannington
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Fri, 25 April 2003 01:46
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Man.. this is bullshit.
Cops are fucking useless..
they dont go out and catch the real criminals, they waste their time doing the easy shit like busting people for sitting in or near a car.
as soon as they see a P plate they ride you till you want to hang a finger out the window at them, just so they can bust you for something and go away.
cops are useless, never there when they are needed, and always there when they arent.
Really good that you can rely on cops to make something up for their revenue raising.. like this shit with speed cameras, now you cant be more than 1k over the limit or your fucked with the same fine some arsehole whos clocked at 20ks over the limit is.
(sure as hell, it happened to my dad)
Take it to court, and try to fuck them up good. Payouts for time off work, wasting you tiem searching your car, damages to items taken out of the car and left on the ground for you to pick up, and anything else you can think of.
arsehole deserve to get fucked up every now and then, a small win for the people who arent doing anything wrong.
im gonna play GTA 3 now.. venting is good.. 
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Re: Goddamn police
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Fri, 25 April 2003 14:12
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It sounds like you got pretty hard done by man, I dunno why the cops target P platers with cars, I spose in some instances they have good reason, but from your story they had absolutely no reason! Plus putting you on the black list, your chances of ever talking your way out of anything ever again is basically 0, they see that and presume you guilty even before they hear what you have to say. Also, GTA 3 is great for venting, speaking of which, I'm gonna go play some now Best of luck with your court case mate.
Alch
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Fri, 25 April 2003 15:57
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They target anyone when theyre bored cause the are dirty low down stinkin motherfukin government slaves! They pick on anyone down here with a nice car, pull ya over and defect it for nothin. Jealous i guess. They tried to fine my mate 1 night cause he had his whole collection of chef knives in his car, wrapped in a protective case and also in a towel in a bag, but when he said he needs them for work and hes not leaving a grands worth of knives at work they still looked for a way to fuck him over, so they defected the car. 
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Melbourne
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Re: Goddamn police
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Sun, 27 April 2003 07:47
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I've had enough of cops and I really don't care anymore..
From when I was about 8 and they beat the crap outta my mum.. to now, well if I see a cop car or whatever and I'm taking off from the lights I usually just rip it up.
Ever since I got my car cops have been going out of their way to get me off the road, and one even said to me... "I don't care if I see you wraped around a pole or if I take your license, as long as you're off the road" he then went to gloat about "hoons" dying.
If I keep getting screwed over, if worst comes to worst, i'll be back on an unrego'd motorcycle doing inexcess of 300km/h on backstreets... Atleast I'd never be late and never have to worry about a speeding fine again.
I guess that's what comes from a joke of a country who don't even have any reference to individual rights in our constitution.
*shrugs*
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 00:36
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That is so fucked up. Don't pay it fight it all the way.
I had a cop car follow me into Thornliegh Mac's car park then he blocked my car in and came out of the cop car with his mag light and told me its a random breath test but how the fuck can that be random and also tried to defect my car for a neon light but I talked my way out of it
Good Luck with the fine.
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Mon, 28 April 2003 01:26
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You most likely find that the pulled up and searched you and the car because they would have though you were bonging on in your car.
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 11:00
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A current Affair i Say!!!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 11:10
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I would also like an affair
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 11:14
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Shane your not married u dope
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 11:24
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Umm, doest this matter? Cant I still have an affair 
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 11:29
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Woops
it works both ways doesnt it
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 11:41
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Beats me But I want one Bah hell, make it 2 
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 12:27
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Stop licking the frog ....then try and construct a sentence
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Re: Goddamn police
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Mon, 28 April 2003 12:39
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the cop that followed me into thornleigh maccas carpark was really nice.
all he had to do was pop the hood and he would've been snapping on that latex glove and aiming for maximum penetration
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Mon, 28 April 2003 12:50
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[quote title=munki wrote on Thu, 24 April 2003 09:42]and i thought my 150 dollar fine for not having my p's licence on me sucked.
Did u only get fined $150 or did you have a point/s taken too ? i lost my licence card thing bout a month ago and havent bothered getting one,just been lucky not to be pulled up as i have no points left 
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Mon, 28 April 2003 13:24
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I carry a flat blade and a phillips head in my car just in case (stezza shits itself)DO U think its a bigger fine becoz its a flat blade.Being a SNAP ON flat blade and phillips head i might get life
F@#KIN P PLATES
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Tue, 29 April 2003 02:40
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I don't know what it is, but I've never seen so much swearing in all the time I've been reading Toymods! ... oh well.
A couple points on this
1) I have also had many troubles with cops
2) My first thought was the fines were for tools-of-the-trade, like as in theivery!
3) Thank Christ we don't get fined like that for tools here - I usually have enough tools in the car at any given time to do anything from install a stereo to fully stripping yer average Toy. lol.
4) If someone has a car *like* yours, and causes trouble, then yer stuck - I moved to this town, and got wheeled like twice a week every week, just because.
Now they are used to NOT being able to pin anything on me, so I free-er to play.. hehe
And lastly, cops have a tough job 10% of the time, I guess it skews them for the other 90%. bummer. We've got a couple cops in the family, so I've gotten to see the personality side of them, and now there ar elocal cops i get along with...
Bet of luck to ya - I've managed to beat stuff, from 189 in a 60, to noise violations for my pipes... lol.
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Re: Goddamn police
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Tue, 29 April 2003 11:49
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no points left so if i get fined again i lose it.. not sure how long it will be till i get em back 
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 30 April 2003 02:21
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Don't get me started on coppers harassing innocent drivers.
Just check out my avatar, that was a pic was taken the first time I got pulled over in dubbo on the friday night. That copper was good. He had to pull me over because of the reports being rung into dubbo police station about the ppl "trapped in my boot". This bloke rbt me, checked my license and was happy to let me go with my 3 unrestrained passengers, including the guys in the boot dikie seat because of the age of the car and the fact it didn't have factory seat belts. He told us to have a good night, avoid a couple of parts of town and just said to make the guys in the boot a little less obvious.
The second time I got pulled over was when the shit hit the fan. The moment this copper got out of the car she was ready to go at it. This paddy wagon chased us down less than 5 min after the first pull over. Full hi beam for about 30 sec before I was signaled to pull over and it was left on the majority of the stop. Then this chick just could not believe the seat in the back. Even I was told I had just been pulled over I was still RBT and they didn't check my license because the other officer had. Then she kept ranting and raving. Even after finding out the age of the car she still thought that have no belts was illegal. She wanted to take me down for 18 points 3 unrestrained passengers at 3 points each on a DD weekend = 18 points. At that point she and her partner stepped away with me hearing him say "I think its alright". She came back from this chat completely opposite. She became very polite and said that due to the age of the car she would have to let me off. Which is true but what i think changed her mind was when she thought a bout it I had been pulled over and let go just minutes before, how could one cooper fine you and another not just minutes apart?
Any way she started started to ramble then and bought up the mona vale crash with the guys in the boot, even though she was in dubbo, and just told us how ppl had been ringing the station and telling the cops about my car and giving them the number plates. Then she just said look just go back to the hotel have a good night.
All I say is have some communication. I didn't mind being pulled over the first time. But I did however detest the second time particularly the way it was carried out. I was guilty until proven Innocent.
Long Live 68 crown 7 seater wagons!!!!
Just my 2c
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Wed, 30 April 2003 04:15
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Yeh, elect to have it heard in court, but take proof of why they were in your car (a letter from your place of employment stating your occupation involves tools etc or a statment from the owner saying they left the tools in the car, I know everyone has been saying yeh go to court but it can be very intimadating (esp since your the accussed, the cops don't car they get to walk away regardless, u might get stuck with court costs on top of ya fine, but if u present well, have a good record and get the above evidence u should be right, the purpose of the amend to the NSW crimes act was to stop people carrying conceled weapons (person&car) and although ignorance it not an execuse, u might get the fine reduced (tell them u are a low wage earner)or even dismissed. Before u go to court go see the clerk of the court he will help out and might even tell the magistrate about your plight (be poltite even to cops) u might just get off (don't get lawyer, too $$).
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Wed, 30 April 2003 07:57
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just quietly .. WAT THE FUCKis goin to happen to me if i get pulled over.. im a fuckin electrician... wat am i supposed to do.. leave my tools on site... cant put em in boot.. dint want a screwdriver punch a whole in a sub or anythin.. so wat the go  
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Re: Goddamn police
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Wed, 30 April 2003 08:20
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as mentioned,m if it's part of your job it's ok
I know a chef who got pulled over and had his set of chefs knives on the p[assenger seat (those things are really expensive), and the cops tried to confiscate them and fine him.
He got off it somehow... I think he had them call his work or something
so since you're a sparky you can keep all that stuff
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Wed, 30 April 2003 08:49
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Thanks for all the advice.
I think the cops must have just been out for a bit of fun cause its been over a week and I still havent got the fines. If I do get the fines ill just contest them along with a letter from my boss and from the guy i bought the car off (Thats if I dont abuse him first. Had the car 2 1/2 weeks and already its blown a head gasket. Anyway) and my statement of events and hopefully that should keep it out of court. But if worst turns to worst ill use my dad's lawyer
Thanks again.
~Josh
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Thu, 15 May 2003 16:08
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So is that baseball bat I have sitting behind the drivers seat not *quite* legal? I've got baseballs in there too, to show them I really am headed to the park at 0300.
I think if i really wanted to do some damage to someone I'd run them over. The last figure I saw for a Cressida Grande's weight was 1.6t+ which is sure to do more damage then a bat, or even a screwdriver.
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Fri, 16 May 2003 01:36
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I thought it was illegal for them to search your car without a warrant (or at least "reasonable suspicion") or something like that.
You should've gotten their details.
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Fri, 16 May 2003 02:15
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Your young, in a moded car (i.e. not a camry,magna or falcodoor and most likley its late at night, when most people are at home watching tv) then thats all the 'cause'they need to search on reasonable sus (actually any one of those will suffice, so don't be young, buy a magna, don't go out a night, you'll be right then.
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