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3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 02:55
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call me mad if you like, but is it possible to fit a 3S block into a SV11 camry in place of the existing 2S motor. if so, would it be a straight bolt in swap, much like a 4AGE into an AE82 in place of a 4AC. would things like the front engine mounts and gearbox bolt right up???
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 02:58
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It wont be a direct bolt in swap, but you could do it! It will be just the same as putting the 3S into another car.
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 05:21
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is that beacuase the block is significantly different, or just that the physical dimentions of the complete 3S and it's accessories/manifolds etc will foul the engine bay of the SV11??
i thought it would simply be a matter of swapping the engine mounts from the 2S onto the 3S and dropping the whole lot back in.
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 05:27
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Most of your problems are going to be with the engine mounts and clutch setup. Just do a search on here about 3S conversions and you find information about these 2 problems.
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 05:47
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the clutch is the least of my problems as custom units (if need be can be custom made at minimal cost). however with the engine mounts i was under the impression that the 2S, being the previous generation of the 3S might share the same mount positions. i thought i would be at an advantage as i already have an EFI "S" series engine in the car.
as for the bell housing, i hear that ppl use the corona RWD 2S bell housings for their RWD 3S conversions, so i assume that the 3S would bolt up to my existing SV11 gearbox (temporarily before it got minced)
apart from the obvious fuel system upgrades, exhaust, etc, etc, will all the 2S accessories bolt up the the 3S? if so i would not need to worry about anything such as alternator wiring, p/s, a/c, etc!!!
i just want to be sure about the engine mounts.
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 05:59
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There is only provision for one engine mount on the 3S block!
Also the 2S bellhousing your are talking about need some modifications(shortening).
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 12:14
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Plus I can't gaurantee the life of your gearbox 
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 13:53
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Your gearbox and diff will last a good two minutes after dropping the 3S in 
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 23:08
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At the Toyota nats there was a Bloke with a sv11 carmy with the 3SGE in it. I start talking to him as I have a soft spot for camry's.
He was saying that one engine mount had to be manufactured (the front from memory not sure)
The CV's and the gear box bolt staright up so there is no issues there, however as CeLiCa said, this bloke's gear box was already starting to feel the pain. And this thing wasn't turboed.
I think this bloke was from canberra and the would be a way to contact him if you really wanted to.
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Sun, 04 May 2003 23:34
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hey thanks so far. i'm well aware that the gearbox and diff wont last. as it is their ratios are suited to the low reving 2S and would be a struggle for the high revving 3SG. my thoughts lean towards a later model celica gearbox with GT4 or MR2 turbo internals.
as the gearbox will bolt up initially, i'm more interested to know about the initial fit of the motor, not the longevity of the gearbox at this point.
TheStitt, if you could contact that bloke from camberra about his car, i'd be interested to talk to him about his conversion.
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Mon, 05 May 2003 10:16
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not a bad combo as they weigh around 1100kg so a good p-w ratio results.
I believe it wouldn't be that hard as all the efi has been done and the motor should bolt in fairly easily. someone has put 3sgte in an ae82 so it cant be that hard.
major drawback is going to be weight distribution as they are front heavy (big time) even in 2s form.
also why spend the money on such an ugly car.
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Mon, 05 May 2003 10:20
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Because spending $ to make ugly cars go hard is FUN! You get repaid every time you leave the lights in a cloud of tire smoke, and hear the clown in the VN next to you bust his jaw when it drops to the concrete...
Speaking of which, I'm going to be attempting a 3SGTE into SV21 conversion later in the year. When it's done, plan is to advertise it in the paper, direct it straight at elderly/learner drivers, then watch when one comes and takes it for a test drive
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Mon, 05 May 2003 11:57
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mrshin. did you say VN? i can almost bust them with the ol' SV11 as is... my target is more VX/VY GTS!!! well almost...
and as for the SV11 being ugly, well it is, but it's not that bad. that and it was given to me free by my parents, and it's heaps of fun!!! it's basically a car wrapped around a stereo, so while i'm at it, why not spend a few bucks and make it a bit of a rocket too!!! especially if it's easy...
but anyway, back to the original question, and that is the block similarities.
it's no secret that toyota generally produce more than one engine in each family. and these engines tend to share many similarities!!! if so, then i was hoping to find out if such things as accessories, engine mounts and bell housings were compatible between the 2S and the 3S for this hypothetical conversion...
so far i know the bellhousings are the same. i just want confirmation on engine mounts and accessories. thanks again guys for sharing my interest!!!
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Mon, 05 May 2003 12:00
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thestitt.. I adore your avatar pic
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Re: 3SGTE intom SV11 camry
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Wed, 07 May 2003 12:22
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draven thanks man i was hoping ppl would like it
and dorkin ill see how i go contacting that uy.
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