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ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Mon, 05 May 2003 07:52
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Ive talked to a few guys before, and i want to see how much interest is in for this before i push it any further...
Who would be interested in making "The ultimate guide to drifting" ???
Im talking about a guide to drifting, so as to limit the number of people out there who arent doing it properly, giving detailed epxlainations from multiple points of view, different setups, techniques, everything, with different styles and points of view. We want to make a complete guide to it all, with details like pictures or videos to show the techniques we are using and how to do it correctly, what could cause it to go wrong, how to avoid problems, EVERYTHING.
the idea was to make the most detailed guide to drifting concepts online to date..
I have some backing from outside Toymods too, but i want to see what sort of interest there is around in here too.. especially local interest.
Please reply only if you are interested, or you have something that you would like to see in the guide when we have it out.
The plan for the guide is to introduce a basic guide, and then add to it and build it up to the final product over time.
Let me know guys, i would like to see this happen, especially as one of my mates is in hospital because of some guy who thought he knew drifting back to front, tried to tandem drift with my mate, and went into the side of his car because he couldnt control it... i want to make sure that people understand how it is done, how to make sure it comes off, how to counter a mistake, how to SPOT the mistake, and so on.
This is a serious proposal, so please only post if you are interested in helping or would like to see something in the guide that you think we havent thought to include. Or you can PM me if you want to ask me something about it before you go to add you name on .. or whatever.
Thanks
Peace guys
Katsuchiyo
[Updated on: Mon, 05 May 2003 07:54]
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Mon, 05 May 2003 08:41
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be careful not to name names and such, i dont think the fuzz would appreciate people trying to encourage drifting (either on or off the road)
theres not much i could do, sorry (unless theres some magical way to drive my car backwards, thus having a RWD and then drift...)
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Mon, 05 May 2003 10:16
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Aye, real names won't be used..
lol.. nice idea.. but FF cars can be drifted too ya know 
just need to work a little harder to break traction and keep it sideways. 
We could use FF expertise too... i forgot to mention it.
Peace
Katsuchiyo
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February 2003
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Mon, 05 May 2003 11:58
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i know some ppl that need a 'stright line burnout guide' 
i think somebody should make a guide to modify specific engines, that'd be cool for beginners and stuff... for exmaple - 'how to build a 250 kW 3S-GTE' and include different routes and recipes and such
but a drifting guide? hmm, it might work, as long as you put things in that ppl dont already know and that will make them a better drifter - although, this may be a problem with the fuzz because anything seem to promote drifting (or bad driving habits) would be baaaad news as far as they're concerned, you might even get your own spot on ACA
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May 2002
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Mon, 05 May 2003 12:16
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toycelica77 just out of interest - there is a guide out already to build a 250Kw at the wheels 3sgte in this months Zoom !
good read
in a nutshell - big arse cams , and cam adjustors - aftermarket ECU , a dirty big turbo like a blitz k3t runing around 1.5bar , stronger headgaskets - arp headbolts ,a nd obvious headwork added to a set of 550cc injectors in a custom fuel rail - read it - its very interesting
Anyway - back to drifting guides - sounds interesting - but my mates terbo VL can Dorifto like youoooze wouldnt believe maaaayte
( had to say it )
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March 2003
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Perth - Cannington
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December 2002
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Mon, 05 May 2003 16:30
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lol.. i would love to see a VL that can do a legit drift.. and i mean a real one 
thats a rare treat...
as far as Mr Plodd goes..
names would be hidden, anything that we do will be as controlled as i can arrage.. naturally we will be putting in safety precautions..
the idea of the guide is to start off basic and make it go up from there.. so eventually we will hit new things, because of the types of cars we are hoping to get involved..
as to the hosting.. it wont be on toymods, i wouldnt want to harm its reputation... or anything else for that matter... it will be on my site, and on my forums..
www.iron-phantoms.cjb.net
www.katsu-forums.cjb.net
I'd love to see anyone do anything about that.. its my mate in the UK's private server..
so thats the place to put it.. i just have to arrange the people, the recording, and the times.. and then get started..
we are planning to give a full rundown of the vehicles that we are using, what you could use to make them safter, why we are using those things for what reason, how we are doing it in this vehicles, and why we do it different from one vehicle setup to another.. the idea is to hit all the tiny stuff no one reads about, and to show how the techs are done in each case, blah blah blah.. same stuff i said before
once im back on the road full time ill get my mates out with the video and ill get some sidewyas through the zig-zag and up by mudairing weir, just so i can record osme info and get used to it all again.. mebbe ill get a chance to own the 180sx with the bad setup that "drifts" around there
but if you are interested in having a part in this.. PM me or email me.. even if you only want to do some writing, or pictures.. whatever.. at the present moment we need people to fill all positions.. and we need drivers.. quite a few, so that we hav emore points of view.. the more the better.
this is also a good chance for us all to improve our skills while we do it, and learn from each other.. which i have never seen happening over here.. the guide would be like having someone to poke you in the ribs when you screw up
Sorry its so long winded again.. im trying to find out who wants in.. and im struggling with the sleep thing.. i cant do it at the moment.. i just got send a video rom an old friend of me at mundairing weir.. and i wish i was there now.. :'(
also.. this guide isnt just gonna be like Drifting 101.. its gonna be fun too.. .otherwise it wouldnt ever get done
Anyhow.. dump me an email.. or join my forum and bug me about it there.. or email me. or pm.. whatever.. im online somewhere at all times
Shutting up now.
Peace
Katsuchiyo
[Updated on: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:34]
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Mon, 05 May 2003 23:25
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LOL... not quite what i had in mind though..
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I supported Toymods
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Mon, 05 May 2003 23:50
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personally i dont want to be involved, just something about getting cornered by 50 cops whilst doing this jus doesnt tickle my fancy.
im sure there are some law enforcement peoples that read this forum, and word can get around quick fast. and heaven knows what technology they have to read emails and such.
if you think you and your friends are good enough to set an example to others, get a cams license of some sort and hit barbagello racetrack with a camera crew from some uni (hey they like getting experience, jus stick a sign up at your local place of tertiary education)
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Perth - Cannington
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December 2002
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Tue, 06 May 2003 00:06
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yeah.. i know theres the thing with Mr Plodd.. we wouldnt be putting times or anything up on here anyhow.
if you would like to be involved.. even at a writing or filming capacity.. mebbe driving later.. your welcome to..
but if you think its too risky for you, then thats kewl.
im a bit hesitant too, but i can see this guide doing more good than harm... most likely ill be doing large amounts of the writing though.. seeing as my car hasnt turned up in the "MONEY" column of my expenses.
as far as the people being good enough.. well.. its a learning thing, so i guess they will improve as we go..
I'm gonna have a chat with the Driftworks Team and see if they would be interested in helping with the guide... and i think ill talk to a few of the local guys also.
Im just gathering people for now.. if we can get a cams licence, which shouldnt be too hard, then we shouldnt need to worry about cops bugging us.
Peace
Katsuchiyo
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Tue, 06 May 2003 04:44
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MODS!!!
Someone delete this thread. Fair enough to try and improve peoples driving skills, but if the shit ever hits the fan, e.g someone dies after using katsuchiyo's tips, then there is a fair chance it will also be associated back here.
Sorry Kats,
my 2 cents,
cheers,
floody
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Tue, 06 May 2003 04:50
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This off "Iron Phantoms" site:
Over the next few weeks, myeslf and a few of the guys fromt Toymods are going to be compling a guide to drifting, looking at as many viewpoints as we can.
We are trying to write the most exact and user-friendly guide to drifting for all, even those initial D drifters out there, we want it to be simple, so it can be understood by anyone, but complex to the point where we have defined the physics of drifting down to the finest detail. We are looking for people to send us footage, pictures, or offer their help in this project, so we have many viewpoints on techniques and setups etc.
I would suggest its a good idea if this thread disappears. I doubt toymods want to be associated with this ? surely?
cheers,
floody
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Tue, 06 May 2003 04:59
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Yeah, its kewl.. i know what you mean.
disclaimer.. lol
if you use this stuff, you should expect to see a disclaimer saying that we take no responsibility for what you do.. if you do it wrong, its because you did it.. not because you did what we did. (or something along those lines)
in all reality, i dont think anyone who would put their hand up for this will be pulling full speed drifts though.. (we need to work up to it.. and figure out how we can capture it first.. so slow speeds are better in that sense)
obviously you start basic and you have to gauge your own abilities.
i doubt it will be brought back here.. seeing as there wont be any association with Toymods, for the clubs sake.
i think the understanding is that if you are learning to drift, you need to remember that some things are beyond your level of skill, so you start basic, slow and you work up from there. and of course, we have the disclaimer, so we are warning that we did this under controlled conditions (as best they can be)...
and so on.
ultimately, if anyone makes a mistake, its because they made a bad choice, and probably because they didnt read things properly, or do them in the right order.. theres no point in reading the hardest skills because you think you know everything about the rest of them, only to find out you dont.
i know what you mean though.. thats what i was thinking about last night..
but ultimately this is to help people, as long as they dont try to push themselves too far, and they dont get careless, i cant see them messing it up, as long as they can read pretty well
thanks for bringing it up, i didnt think to mention the disclaimer, and it is a valid point.. once i get things going with this.. the mods can remove it.. and it will just be based on my own server.. better me than Toymods
On the new post i missed..
ill get rid of it tonight when i get home.. because technically toymods isnt associated with this.. mind you.. i probably wrote it at 2 am.. but yeah.. the association isnt TOYMODS.. its just a couple of the guys from here expressed some interest in making a guide.. ill strip it back down though.. because i shouldnt have written toymods..
Peace
Katsuchiyo
[Updated on: Tue, 06 May 2003 05:03]
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Tue, 06 May 2003 05:21
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so, let me get this right:
youre going to construct a step by step guide to doing something totally illegal and extremely dangerous (esp consider the types of young fools who will actually try it).
youre going to get other people involved in this production, and methods youll use in its production are also illegal and dangerous.
and you expect to nullify all of this with understanding and a simple lipservice disclaimer... good fuckin luck!
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i think the understanding is that if you are learning to drift, you need to remember that some things are beyond your level of skill, so you start basic, slow and you work up from there. and of course, we have the disclaimer, so we are warning that we did this under controlled conditions (as best they can be)... and so on.
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youve got to be kidding me right!!!
heres a comprehesive guide to armed hold up. start wit a plastic gun at a low security convenience store, and gradually build up to a repeating shotgun at a bank.
however, if anyone gets shot or arrested, well, you shouldve thought of that.
wow, theres no end to people's stupidity is there!! 
you wanna do something stupid, do it in your own time.
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Toymods Board Member
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Re: ok, just checking the interest in this... drift guide?
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Tue, 06 May 2003 05:24
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thanks for understanding katsuchiyo.
if in anyway your guide is promoting illegal activity then we can't condone it.
the other issue is liability - and you should get some advice on this before proceeding too far.
there are some great drivers on the net but there are also alot of young and inexperienced ones - trying to improve their safety is a noble thought but you need to ensure that you are not adding to their danger as well by encouraging something that is better left to being taught on a racetrack by professionals in controlled conditions.
to disassociate this thread with toymods it has been locked.
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