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 Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:12
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Hey guys,
A friend of mine got booked for doing 106km/h in a 100 zone.
I've suggested to him to write a letter stating that the ADR 18 allows a +/-10% leeway in the accuracy of the speedo.
Has anyone successfully tried this?
Am I right in assuming it's ADR 18?
Anyone got the wording from the ADR doco?
Any thoughts/suggestions/advice welcomed! 
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Perth
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July 2002
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:51
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In WA the police and courts say that if your speedo is out bad luck, you should have known it was out!!!
I suspect in NSW he'd have no chance since NSW is an even worse police state than here!!!
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 04:05
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Hey Nark, pretty much what Blown86 said........
You know when you see peeps get really big chromies and then never bother to get their speedo recalibrated then it it is pretty much the same principal.
He has to cop it on the chin unfortunatly!!
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I supported Toymods
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 04:27
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He can try - Chances are it will have to go to court though. It's quite easy to write an appeal letter, but these are rejected just as easily..
If he says straight out: "The law says your speedo can be out by 10%, so therefore i'm allowed to do 10% more than the speed-limit" he will still cop it.
He may need to provide some proof that the speedo is out and is oging to be repaired?? (i dunno)
Just out of interest... Was he aware he was speeding and is looking for a way out of it, or is the speedo actually out?
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 06:03
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He takes it to court, pleads not guilty, gets his solictor to ask the magistrate to delay the date based on him making "submissions" (written I think it's not fairs to appropriate people).
Paperwork will scare it off if he a clean skin, they'll give him a section ten in exchange for guilty plea.
Possibly 2 x court apprearance, will cost about $800 to $1k for the solicitor.
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 06:06
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In other words a complete and utter waste of time and money  
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 06:06
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On those grounds, it'd be cheaper to wear it.
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 06:15
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yep.
Except for the fact that the IFPB are about 6 months behind and it would waste a year. If you needed to get some points back....
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 06:16
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Love your section 10 posts Jase. Can't wait to try one out, I'll know I will get booked for something soon...... 
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 06:26
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I've got off using these exact described methods (and a good solicitor).
One was a no seatbelt on double demerit long weekend.
I about to try another one soon.........we'll see how I go this time.
Sometimes your best to just cop the fine. But I'd really like to see everyone for one month elect court apprearance for any offence. The courts would fall apart.
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Fri, 09 May 2003 07:50
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That 10% rule was removed here in QLD just a few weeks ago! Could be the same else where too?
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 00:21
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| Cool1 wrote on Fri, 09 May 2003 17:50 |
That 10% rule was removed here in QLD just a few weeks ago! Could be the same else where too?
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Really? do you have a link to this or more info on it?
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 00:42
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Dont tell me you havent heard this  It was brought in at midnight a few weeks ago along with a lot of other stuff! Get cought doing 40ks over the limit and you loose your licence and get a $700 fine. From memory you 3km leeway at 100k speed limit 
I cant remember what other stuff there was, but it all sucked 
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 00:46
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Here:
New speeding and driver licence penalties.
To improve road safety, tough new penalties for speeding and driver licence offences have been introduced in Queensland from 17 April 2003. Speeding plays a prominent role in contributing to the Queensland road toll so it is important that injuries and fatalaties caused by speeding are reduced. Drivers who fail to comply with their driver licence conditions also pose a road safety risk.
In addition to these penalty changes, drivers caught travelling at extremely dangerous speeds of more than 40 km/h over the speed limit will face losing their licence for six months.
Get all the updates here: http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/driving
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 01:05
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damn whats 130 over?
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 01:11
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| Bugman wrote on Sat, 10 May 2003 11:05 |
damn whats 130 over?
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For that you get big bubber keeping you company every night for a few months
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 01:13
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hmmm interesting
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 04:59
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its spelt bubba
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 05:30
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| manipulate wrote on Sat, 10 May 2003 14:59 |
its spelt bubba
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You've obviously meet the guy
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 07:52
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I can also spell Imogen Bailey.....does that mean ive met her ?
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sat, 10 May 2003 08:19
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| manipulate wrote on Sat, 10 May 2003 17:52 |
I can also spell Imogen Bailey.....does that mean ive met her ?
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Yeah you did meet her! Back when I was going out with her 
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Sun, 11 May 2003 02:44
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Yeah I knew about the 40kph over crap
Bugger thats so shite, next thing I bet we get double demerits on public hols as well......*groan*
Damm revenue raising.
Cheers
Wilbo
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sun, 11 May 2003 05:54
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| wilbo666 wrote on Sun, 11 May 2003 12:44 |
next thing I bet we get double demerits on public hols as well......*groan*
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Yep this is comming soon. This is talked about on the Transport page somewhere
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sun, 11 May 2003 10:05
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hey it gets better
in VIC coz the shit govt can't budget they are now introducing speed cameras in bloody cats eyes on the roads!
they're the same size apparently just 150mm deep or something.
australia is democracy right? how the f..k can we stop this revenue raising?
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sun, 11 May 2003 12:24
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| Grega wrote on Sun, 11 May 2003 20:05 |
australia is democracy right? how the f..k can we stop this revenue raising?
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Dont speed
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sun, 11 May 2003 14:48
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| Grega wrote on Sun, 11 May 2003 20:05 |
australia is democracy right? how the f..k can we stop this revenue raising?
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Easy...stop voting for Labor Party. Hasn't anybody noticed that it has always been a Labour Party state government that has introduced fixed speed camera's across Australia?
NSW -> Fixed (but fortunately disclosed) speed camera's and soon to introduce state-wide (and unnecessary) 50km/hr zones in previous 60km/hr zones.
Victoria -> Fixed and undisclosed speed camera's and 50km/hr zones state-wide.
Queensland -> I'm not well-informed of the speeding regulations there, but I'm sure the Labor Beattie Government would have something up their sleeves.
I'm not here to advocate any political parties, just wanting to show the correlation between Labor governments and speed-camera's as such.
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sun, 11 May 2003 20:32
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man.....don't speed - no problems with that - in 12 years of driving i've never been caught speeding, not saying i don't speed though.
my problem is there is no give and take anymore.
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Sun, 11 May 2003 23:43
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Nah, I reckon its just something to do with the water over east cos we have a Labor government too
We don't have fixed speed cameras over here. We don't even have a great deal of mobile ones, I can go a whole week without seeing them.
I'm with Grega though, if you don't want to get caught for speeding, then don't do it in the first place.
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Mon, 12 May 2003 05:42
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It's just a matter of time Frank, the mob over here haven't been in power as long as Labor has in the East!!!
I was talking to a cop recently about the 50 Km/h limit here. He said that the traffic cops reckon it's BS and they've had to send sergeants out with the junior cops to make sure that they book people for doing 52 Km/h etc.
He was also saying that the authorities were pushing for 40 Km/h max in built up areas and a maximum open road limit of 80 Km/h!!!!!
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Mon, 12 May 2003 05:44
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Fair enough Grega
I agree thats its getting out of control
What i cant stand are variable speed zones with cameras in them
i mean thats just sadistic
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Cabramatta, NSW
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 Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Mon, 12 May 2003 07:38
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Hey guys, thanks for the replies. I'll let my friend know. 
| Lucid wrote on Fri, 09 May 2003 14:27 |
Just out of interest... Was he aware he was speeding and is looking for a way out of it, or is the speedo actually out?
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I don't think he was aware that he was speeding. He's just unfortunate that he was in Victoria. The cops there are nazis over little breakages of the speed limit...
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Mon, 12 May 2003 07:40
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| justcallmefrank wrote on Mon, 12 May 2003 09:43 |
Nah, I reckon its just something to do with the water over east cos we have a Labor government too
We don't have fixed speed cameras over here. We don't even have a great deal of mobile ones, I can go a whole week without seeing them.
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Hey JCMF, that's 'coz it'd be too much of a PITA to keep feeding the little hampsters that run on the wheels to power the things if they were put in WA.... 
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Mon, 12 May 2003 08:26
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I'd rather live in a State with coal Hamsters than one with Nazi police laws and skyhigh insurance 
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 Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Wed, 04 June 2003 00:01
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Max,
I got done in Vic for SFA over the limit (67 in a 60 zone from memory) in december last year (Was on the way to macca's and was hungry ok)
First I didn't pay the fine cause I figgered hey your in Victoria what are you going to do about it but they threatened to issue a warrant for my arrest (which I still ignored ) and then the courts sent me a letter with 7 days or they would cancel my licence (They really are bastards in Vic)
SO I I payed it and guess what..... Got my driving record the other day and the demerit points are not there cause I have a NSW licence ! f#@kers just wanted my money.
In NSW 95% of coppers wouldn't have never given me a ticket ! God I hate Victoria. (Not the people, just the roads and the Nazi's who patrol them. )
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Wed, 04 June 2003 00:11
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Hey Rod.
The demerit point system is not linked nationally.
I think you'll find that you have lost those demerit points in Victoria...
Funny story, my friend was driving up here from Vic to start work.
He got busted for speeding big time and lost his licence in Victoria. The thing is, he can still drive in NSW and ACT 'coz he's got full points there! And since he's here now, he doesn't give a fuck!
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Wed, 04 June 2003 02:15
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so if you have lots of money - and dont care about spending that on a ticket... just go interstate and speed like a DEMON!
I love it!
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Re: Getting off speeding fine with ADR 18
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Wed, 04 June 2003 04:06
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I havnt seen a speed camera for about a month now
But there was a HUGE blitz of them on the freeway a couple weekends ago or somthing, about 10 of the bastards...and a total of over 8500 fines handed out in 1 day on one road(freeway)!!!!
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