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5ME and 5MGE flywheel diameters? Need new clutch.
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:24
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Guys,
anyone know when size these two engines have as their flywheels?
I know the 5MGE is larger, same as the 7MGE flywheel I'm pretty sure.
Can anyone confirm the sizes? 236mm possibly for the larger? maybe?
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Re: 5ME and 5MGE flywheel diameters? Need new clutch.
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:29
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5ME clutch plate diameter - 225mm
5/7MGE clutch plate diameter - 236 or 240mm
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Re: 5ME and 5MGE flywheel diameters? Need new clutch.
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:37
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5m-e also has a 236mm variant - which is bloody rare, however, in the daikin book atleast, its is the 236mm version that is noted as more common (totally incorrect: 225mm is the most common).
7mge is 240mm (same clutch kit pn# as 2jz-ge)
no idea where the 5mge sits in all of this
ill double check the 'actual' dimension on a 7MGE (w58) flywheel when i get home if you like.
cheers
ed
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Re: 5ME and 5MGE flywheel diameters? Need new clutch.
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:37
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Kewl, thanks for the speedy reply 
Can someone confirm if its 236mm or 240mm?
I'm getting a Daikin Xtreme clutch and def don't want to get the wrong one.
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Re: 5ME and 5MGE flywheel diameters? Need new clutch.
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:39
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which flywheel do you have paul?
ed
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:46
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Need to know which flywheel Paul.
Ed, WTF is up with your sig?
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Fri, 09 May 2003 03:54
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I've got both flywheels, the 5ME and 5MGE.
I want to go with the 5MGE cause its larger and will effectively give me about 100kg of extra clamping force with the extra 15mm.
See this is the drama I'm having, getting the exact match up to what Daikin have in their catalogue otherwise i'll end up with a useless $400 clutch.
If you could check your 7mge one that would be great Ed.
Wish I had the Daikin book in front of me then I could make a decent guess whilst also looking at the specs of the 7MGE flywheel.
The 5MGE flywheel is currently in the car so it's impossible to measure.
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Fri, 09 May 2003 04:03
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no worries paul, will let you know tonight.
forget using the 225mm 5me flywheel (der!), theres not much decent (off the shelf) around that will bolt up to it. I got the BEST daikin exeedy HHD kit, and i doubt it'd hold your engine.
i cant recall whether the 5mge and the 7mge share the same dimensions, i used to know, but that info has left my brain. fwiw, once you get to 240mm most places can start making custom clutch plates, ie half organic, half ceramic or brass etc. and you can just buy the HHD pressure plates alone from daikin - you dont have to buy the whole kit.
my recommendation - talk to 'specialized brake and clutch' in st mary's (youll have to find the number - theyre on glossop st) daikin's tech team in victoria recommends them as the BEST place for info, custom assemblies and modifications. even if you dont buy there, they'll sort out all the pn# you need, and what fits, what combo etc etc
ed
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Fri, 09 May 2003 04:45
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Yep, i decided to go the larger when I dropped the engine into the new car cause I new i'd be putting out more torque with the new setup.
I've been going to Western Clutches for years now and have their Extra Heavy Duty pressure plate but it is now slipping. They are very helpful with using their machines and refacing gear out there, gotta hand it to them
But now I am out of options and am going to a Daikin Xtreme setup which is their new track/drag cltuches and should sort my issues out before next dyno day.
Just been on the phone to Ray and we both reckon that the 5MGE flywheel has to be the same as the 7MGE one as there is absolutley no way they could fit any more clutch face material on the outside of the flywheel or else the starter wouldn't be grabbing the ringgear properly. Same goes for the inside, there wouldn't be enought room for the flywheel bolts on the inside so 5MGE must be the same as 7MGE.
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Fri, 09 May 2003 04:58
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For what it's worth, the width of material on the 5ME clutch plate is 40mm, whilst for the 7MGE it is 44mm.
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Fri, 09 May 2003 11:40
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Out of interest at what boost pressure does the clutch start to slip?
With a standard 7mge clutch and standard 7mgte, will this work with a w58 or be slip city?
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Fri, 09 May 2003 12:15
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At around 10psi it begins to slip big time.
A 7mge pressure plate will work with fine with a stock but boosted(12psi) 7mgte, that's what the guys in the US run.
Ray's has got a that pressure plate we're pretty sure and his isn't slipping at 12psi.
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Mon, 12 May 2003 13:01
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Guys, for your information the 7MGE and 5MGE clutch diameter are the same and that is 236mm.
Am going to a Daikin clutch dealer tommorow arvo to see what's available.
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Wed, 14 May 2003 06:12
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Paul,
my 7mge flywheel has a clutch plate surface of 240mm dia. the wear mark extends right out to the 240mm limit. perhaps it had a non standard clutch plate on it?
anway, obviously something bigger than 236mm was fitted to it, so you may be able to find something similar.
cheers
ed
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Wed, 14 May 2003 09:06
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Cheers Ed,
the plot thickens. Disregard my comment earlier that 7mge clutches must be 236mm, I'm wrong there and as you measured yours Ed that confirms it.
I had a look at a daikin catalogue myself for the first time today at a parts shop to try and sort it out. The book has 225mm,236mm and 240mm flywheel listings.
The 240mm is listed as being on the 7mge, it would be 2mm either side bigger than the 236mm one and most likely the same flywheel just the surface is used right to the edge as Ed says.
Think i'll unbolt the gearbox, remove the clutch and take it all out to Western Clutches to sort it out.
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Fri, 16 May 2003 05:16
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I hope I'm in time to prevent you from removing the flywheel. Having just scored mucho literature on ebay for the 5mge I am now prepared to answer most of my own questions. As to yours, one of my new treasures reveals that the 5mge and 7mge parts numbers are both 1340549175. Interestingly, the 86 Cressida/Supra 7mge and the 83 Supra 5mge share the same disc and pressure plate numbers. As to the dimensions, Sachs site says that the measurement is 225 for the 5mge and 7mge non-turbo and 240 for the turbo. Good luck.
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Re: 5ME and 5MGE flywheel diameters? Need new clutch.
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Fri, 16 May 2003 12:16
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| askkenny wrote on Fri, 16 May 2003 15:16 |
As to yours, one of my new treasures reveals that the 5mge and 7mge parts numbers are both 1340549175. Interestingly, the 86 Cressida/Supra 7mge and the 83 Supra 5mge share the same disc and pressure plate numbers.
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yes, you can simply use the same parts numbers and buy a clutch off the shelf, and it will fit. this is the 'easy way' so to speak, but when youre out looking for the best clutch for an application, it can get waayyyy more complicated than that... read below...
| askkenny wrote on Fri, 16 May 2003 15:16 |
As to the dimensions, Sachs site says that the measurement is 225 for the 5mge and 7mge non-turbo and 240 for the turbo. Good luck.
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this is a perfect example of where, if you bought the catalogue part, sure it'd fit, but it ISNT the best solution. the 5me should be the ONLY late model m engine which should run a 225mm clutch. sure, itll fit other engines, but i can most definiely assure you the 7m runs ATLEAST a 236mm clutch, and can run up to 240mm. this is where you need to pull the thing out, go to a clutch place, and say - here, find one to fit.
NEVER belive everything you read... it can be so so wrong
ed
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Fri, 16 May 2003 19:15
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I have to admit as I read your advice that it applies so well. So far the Mitchell service CDs, Toyota CDs and the Toyota factory microfiches,the 1985 Supra manual, the Supra Body repair manual and with factory sales and production numbers I've been getting in the mail make it seem like a Supra information feast to me. Ebay is a great source Supra information that you pay for. I really got a bargain having spent less than fifty dollars US for the above mentioned items. As for free infomation, you get what you pay for.
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Re: 5ME and 5MGE flywheel diameters? Need new clutch.
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Sat, 17 May 2003 01:47
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I wish toyot came out with a manual for dropping a 7MGTE into an MA61 with T04E turbs, HKS manifold and wastegate pumping out 420hp with a special section on upgradeing your clutch.
As soon as you get decent power alot of things standard can't keep up. You gotts look outside the normal otherwise just drive a normal, but who wants that.
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