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Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sat, 10 May 2003 10:00
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What is all the Brands of EFI computers out there? which way should i go, whats the pro's and con's of all the systems and how much do they cost? I'm sure a lot of you guys out there have non standard computers in your car so give us your thoughts 
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sat, 10 May 2003 10:24
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what engine do u want it for
is it for yr charade
depends how mych u want to spend
theres heaps of info regardin aftermarket ecus on here
prices range from 1000 to 4000 installed and tuned
just remember you pay for what u get
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sat, 10 May 2003 10:55
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I seriously wouldn't bother if you were going to put it on your Charade unless your going to turbo it.
It would give you like a 10hp increase for $2k.
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 00:49
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Yes its for the Charade and i can't go to a rally spec cam unless i get an aftermarket ecu, the Charade is going rally spec and an Aftermarket ecu makes a big improvement as standard the charades run very lean and have a very basic ECU.
i don't have electronic ignition or anything so i guess all i need the ECU to do is adjust my fuek mixtures.
Thats why i have been thinking towards UNICHIP as thats all i need to remap my fuel mixtures
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 01:09
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just be careful with unichip or ecus that modify the map sensor signal
the way they work is they take a value from the fuel map and use it elsewhere on the map where u need it
so u can only richen the mixture to the richest amount on the map its hard to explain
i dont really like piggy back computers
ive only installed one unichip and had hassles with it and hp gain wasnt enough to justify 1200 bucks it cost the customer
if yr charade is efi then im pretty sure the dizzy is electronic
i used to work for diahatsu and i thought only the 3 cyl engines had points dizzy
so check on yr dizzy if it has a green plug with 4 wires on it i think its been awhile since ive worked on one
but if it is points dizzy maybe u could put an electronic dizzy in it and get a decent computer so u can then have fuel and ignition mapping
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 01:33
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Usually i wouln't hesitate to say just go the motec, costly but very good.
However in this case i would really be looking at something that is more simple and cheaper. Even thought of something silly like an apexi SARFC fule controller ? might do what you need and can be got second hand cheap as.
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 02:51
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I'm tending to agree
it sounds like your best bet might be a fuel controller
that said, I dont really like them either
and yes, a motec would be wonderufl if you want to spend $4000 to get another few hp
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 06:16
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there was an issue of zoom just recently, might even be in the stands still, it has a big comparison of all the different
(well lots of them anyway) computers currently on the market. It includes a couple of piggyback ones as well, the powerfc and the unichip thing I think.
the best ones seem to be motec, ems and microtech.
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 11:46
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i'll have to have a look, i saw a dizzy thats about it haven't taken any notice of it as i keep away from them now since i had the celica always playing around with the timing.
i'm wondering about the Wolf 3D as Rospen motorsport who is Daihatsu's rally team uses Wolf 3D so it might be the better setup for what i need.
i just have to justify the money. and i won't know what power gains i will get from it as the cam and everything will be done at the same time the ecu would go in.
what systems are user adjustable? or require no more then a lap top?
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 11:52
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microtech LTX series is laptop programmable
the latest wolf 3-d is laptop (but being fairly new, probably also fairly expensive)
that's the limit of my knowledge 
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 11:57
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Wolf 3D setup is $1295 and know someone with a dyno who could install it cheap
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 11:58
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is that the new laptop programmable one though?
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 11:58
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lol... me and a mate of mine tried the laptop tuning method... took one look at the feul maps and he decided to pay someone to do it:S
i assume they are easier to tune nowasays? with preset programmes?
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 12:00
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having a look at the microtech maps...
it was complicated sure, with that many things to change.
but once you sit down for a while and think about what each menu does, it seems quite easy (assuming you had an a/f meter to make sure you didn't lean it out too much)
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 12:13
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y not fit the cams then get the car mixtures checked
see what theyre like b4 u go fittin an efi ecu
being normally asperated u wont get much gains for the money u spend
what purpose do u want to use the car for
if its a long term thing then y not look at a small turbo
u get more bang for yr buck
its expoensive at first but in the long run u get good mileage of boost and on boost all u need is an extra injector and an extra injector controller
i know this isnt correct way
i would not use extra injectors
but first decide what u want to use car for
i know with some n/a late model engines u dont usually gain much just by doin cams and all u do is get a shit idle and very poor fuel economy
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Sun, 11 May 2003 12:18
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Why not do a conversion? Isn't there a popular turbo conversion for the Charade?
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Mon, 12 May 2003 08:14
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but car is going for targa, rally ect and i'd rather keep it in standard form, if i drop another engine in it then it has to be a very good engine as i'll be in a class against some weird and wonderful cars where this way i can make it as quick as possible while remaining in the slightly modified class.
the WOLF 3D for $1295 is version 3, don't know how many versions there is of it though.
and i can't go any higher then a hot street cam with the Std ECU and i need to increase the fuel mixture as it does run too lean exspecially after the extractors and ram pod have been put on.
and if i get an aftermarket ecu then i guess when i eventually upgrade i'll be able to swap it over to the next car.
i would love a Detomaso Charade but you have to import them and you will be looking at lots of money which a first year apprentice doesn't have
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Mon, 12 May 2003 09:21
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I've seen a copy of the Wolf 3D version 4 and it has heaps of settings available for the user. Laptop setting appears to be a rather cumbersome process with settings needing to be put in by typing the actual figures for fuel and timing maps.
It has the usual array of settings that can be adjusted.
Have you looked at the Haltech yet. I believe the price is now a lot cheaper than they used to be and are quite a good unit. On the laptop it is a simple matter of using the keyboard arrows to adjust a bar graph for each setting in real-time without having to look at the numbers around it. The latest windows version will even give a 3D graph which can also be adjusted real-time to give a smooth flow.
Of course the Motec is just about as good as it gets. There are others on the market nowdays which may not have all the features, but most engines cannot fully utilize the ability of the Motec anyway.
Piggy-back computers???? If you are going to be serious about racing, the only way to go is a full on computer and throw away the original. You will find life so much easier nt having to stuff around with diffrent systems in one car.
The 1300 Charade motor isn't a bad little power unit in both single and twin cam guise. I know a couple of guys in Off-Road racing who use them and they are at the pointy end of the class in fairly standard trim except for the computer (Yes one is running a Motec).
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Mon, 12 May 2003 13:03
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Does anyone have experience/opinion about Motec v Autronic? I'm under the impression they are in the same price range...which one is the goods?
Also - I probably wouldn't get a fuel controller - changing fuel loads can help a little, but ignition timing is basically *vital* to getting good power throughout the rev range.
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Mon, 12 May 2003 13:53
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they are basicly as good as each other
motec has many more adjustments which sometimes could be a bad thing but it depends on the tuner
autronic is cheaper than motec
ive been playin with autronic on and off for 6 yrs
i used to work for the sydney agent yrs ago
i find the autronic much simplier than motec
but i guess its just experience
i would say go for autronic
but make sure u know someone who knows how to tune it
whether its motec or autronic or any other ecu make sure the tuner knows abit bou tthem incase the run into probs
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Re: Motec,Unichip,Wolf 3D,,,,,,?
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Mon, 12 May 2003 14:04
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Doesn't autronic have some easy electronic tuning system that they recently produced - obviously you need to get the sensors for it etc but it seems to be nearly hands off tuning?
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