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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Wed, 14 May 2003 10:18
 
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Hmm wonder how they got passed the limits or shall i say Ford imposed limits of the stock ecu. Is there anymore info any1 knows on this topic?
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Wed, 14 May 2003 11:45
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Shane, you know that any Rolla is better than a Ford... 
That video is mad...
I heard that the Ford was detuned to meet aust. laws... So wouldn't that mean that the ecu could still be good for more power handling??? Or would they have just gone to an aftermarket ecu or maybe even replace some of the circuit boards in the stock ecu to aftermarket components...
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Wed, 14 May 2003 22:57
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Personally, I'd be more interested in the engine's longevity at those kinds of power outputs...Ford and GM aren't exactly known for "over-engineering" their products.
There are other engines I'd rather have at 300KW, especially considering the long-term...Both NA and Turbo versions!
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Wed, 14 May 2003 23:58
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All the info is in the June Motor Mag
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 15 May 2003 01:48
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Hi
Apparently when Ford were in the testing stages of the XR6 Turbo. They were able to get around 270kw out of them before they started having reliability problems.
-Regards Mike
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 15 May 2003 02:34
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| fj20 wrote on Thu, 15 May 2003 11:48 |
Hi
Apparently when Ford were in the testing stages of the XR6 Turbo. They were able to get around 270kw out of them before they started having reliability problems.
-Regards Mike
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I'd suggest that most Toymods people would be thinking "Why am I not surprised?" at this point...
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 15 May 2003 03:24
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| biased99 wrote on Thu, 15 May 2003 12:34 |
| fj20 wrote on Thu, 15 May 2003 11:48 |
Hi
Apparently when Ford were in the testing stages of the XR6 Turbo. They were able to get around 270kw out of them before they started having reliability problems.
-Regards Mike
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I'd suggest that most Toymods people would be thinking "Why am I not surprised?" at this point...
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how true, how true
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 15 May 2003 04:08
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A Ford doesnt need 270kw to have reliability problems! 
Wheels COTY 
hehehehehe yeah..... 
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 15 May 2003 04:54
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my rolla is better
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 15 May 2003 05:07
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you got 30 minutes shane - that would have to be a PB for " fords are crap " reponses 
As for reliability issues - the 5 speeder really isnt up tot hat power - ford knows this - the auto is better for higher output
They also have oil cooling issues - but thats being worked on - Its a new avenue for ford - theres gunna be bugs
As for reliability - that straight six while not the most technical of engines will happily and RELIABLY do 300 thousand plus Kms with bugger all problems - if treated right
My family have had two half million KM 6's and a half million 351 v8 and both never let us down for what the car was used for
The upgrade was a Piggyback ECU - the stock ones were tuned down - for obvious XR8 shaming reasons and the fact that ford still wanted relative economy from the turbo ..
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 15 May 2003 05:34
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My brother is a ford nut and he picked up his new GT last week. As someone said the T5 gearbox in the xr6 isn't up to the task and this is why ford have limited the power. The GT has a Tremec 5 speed which is heaps stronger but the bellhousing is too big to fit behind the six as it is longer of course. Anyway the GT has a lot of get up and gone in it, but in the end it is still a done up TAXI!!
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 15 May 2003 09:33
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Damm Kids  Get back to school 
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Sat, 17 May 2003 06:11
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| Classique71 wrote on Thu, 15 May 2003 15:07 |
Its a new avenue for ford - theres gunna be bugs
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Whaddya mean by that??? There heading new ways by actually having power??? ...
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Sat, 17 May 2003 08:11
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Turbocharging the 6 is the new avenue - they havent yet tried Forced induction on the motor on a production scale - THATS the new avenue
they always had the power there - just never had the balls to tap it until their current CEO came along and told america to Feck off and leave the aussies alone
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Sun, 18 May 2003 06:55
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LOL... I realised what you were referring to Stuart, just bragging out Ford on that opportunity was a goer ...
What do you mean about the Americans and the Aussies comment though???
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Sun, 18 May 2003 07:27
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re american/aussies - it happens with both ford and holden
Ford for the BA broke away from the traditional " global market " that ford USA have been failing with - just look at the taurus and AU - two very bad examples of trying to stick to USA principals for a global face in OZ ..
the BA was pretty much a case of ford os saying Leave us alone to do it RIGHT - and they made the ba - So far US penny pinchers havent allowed for better motors - or engineering steps to shame the US badge - and they have done it in the BA - the crown Victoria is Crap - and the BA is better - a big " we can do it better than the yanks ". People who think falcons are bad should one day drive about in a US crown victoria - youll definantly say the falcon is the better car
As for motors - the BA GT 5.4 v8 is a perfect example. Ford Oz went sourcing a new motor for the GT's and were going to use the SVO version of the cobra mustang to plonk in the falcon - Ford USA said - erm No ! so Ford oz went home - and Built a better version by themselves from locally sourced parts! Theres is lucky to pull 270kw - the oz version does 290 +. Now ford USA have tried to take the pats on the back for it as their design ( f150 lightning ute uses basically the same motor ) when it clearly WAS NOT - another reason for ford OZ to be not all that impressed
Holden have had the same isues with the monaro - ie Pontiac wanting to make the monaro more ricey - Holden told them to politekly fuck off and leave what was already a good thing alone - so all that was changed was badges and front spoiler .
Sorry bout the long rant - but its basically answering the Q mani posted 
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Sun, 18 May 2003 08:31
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Hey, whatcha calling me Mani for??? ...
I can see what your on about now... The Taurus was a massive mistake... The biggest shitbox that Ford made I reckon...
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Sun, 18 May 2003 08:40
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sorry ! just got back from work to answer that mesage - brain is well - fried crumbed and served on a plate !
taurus had good motors etc - but a body that was incredibly UGLY - big mistake
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Sun, 18 May 2003 09:56
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They all wanna be like Mike....errr... Mani
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Sun, 18 May 2003 09:59
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its mani envy
if there is such a thing
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Sun, 18 May 2003 10:30
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Hahaha... Mani envy is no such thing... You were just trying to help out Mani by putting his name to my face ...
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Sun, 18 May 2003 10:55
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is that a good or bad thing ?
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Sun, 18 May 2003 11:49
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I'm thinking its a bad thing
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Sun, 18 May 2003 11:50
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Thats a good thing smartass ...
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Sun, 18 May 2003 11:53
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No one asked you Shane ...
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Sun, 18 May 2003 11:55
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just ignore shane - hes been lickig the frog again
is it me or do those eyes follow you ?
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Sun, 18 May 2003 12:06
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Hahaha... LOL... It always comes down to the frog...
I've always ignored Shane anywayz ...
If eyes are looking at the camera when the photo is taken, they will always follow you when you look at the photo...
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Sun, 18 May 2003 12:10
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| Rolla Boy wrote on Sun, 18 May 2003 22:06 |
I've always ignored Shane anywayz
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You did'nt ignore me the other night in the back of your rolla
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Sun, 18 May 2003 12:13
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DUDE! you didnt tell me your multiskilled - not only are you a comedian - your a contortionist too ??
FARK!!
hot rolla luurve
so thats how they get the sardines int he can - they put two in there - and next thing you know when you open it - theres 12 !
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Sun, 18 May 2003 12:14
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Exactly
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Mon, 19 May 2003 01:32
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Hows this for a marketing problem for Ford.
On a APS Dyno, a stock BA Ford Turbo XR6 claims 240kw at the flywheel and on the dyno pulled 195kw at the rears. 
On the same dyno a stock BA Ford XR8 with a claimed 260kw at the flywheel only managed 180kw at the rears.
With the new APS Managed system and other mods, the Turbo then managed 235kw at the wheels.
Compare a HSV GTS 300kw which puts out 235kw at the rears.
All these cars were relatively new and tested one after the other on the same day.
What da what da?
Something fishy going on with that XR8!
So the XR8 is more expensive, heavier, slower and also less powerful even though its supposed to be more powerful.
Just sell 'em the Turbo son!
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Mon, 19 May 2003 01:36
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Sorry correction
HSV GTS put of 240kw not 235 at the wheels
Gooby!
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Mon, 19 May 2003 08:34
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Thats exactly what i think Rdragon
Why buy the xr8 when you can have the xr6 for better results - The XR6 is a winner - Personally they should market XR8 as the GT-p - and then have the GTHO for the BIG v8 fun .
The Xr6 has pretty much made the xr8 redundant - so i hope they fix that -
All the XR6 needs is the Better manual Box - and its a very strong package
Re dyno figures - that 300kw XR6 is a very good sign for Aussie built aftermarket tuning . I wouldnt be ashamed by any mean feat with that in the garage !
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Wed, 21 May 2003 10:35
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Shane, where does all this crap come from???
Stuart - LOL at the sardines ...
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Wed, 21 May 2003 10:37
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Your not trying to deny it are you mate
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Wed, 21 May 2003 10:45
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Fords are great!! I had a AUII XR8 and I got rid of it within the first 8000 k's. PIECE OF SHIT. My bros GT has done 1600 k's, needs a new diff, and the engine has already used 2 litres of oil. TOP CAR
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Wed, 21 May 2003 12:16
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Your a wierd one Shane... You really are...
Damo... We all know that fords are excellent cars... *cough* BULLSHIT *cough*...
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Wed, 21 May 2003 23:20
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| DAMO wrote on Wed, 21 May 2003 20:45 |
Fords are great!! I had a AUII XR8 and I got rid of it within the first 8000 k's. PIECE OF SHIT. My bros GT has done 1600 k's, needs a new diff, and the engine has already used 2 litres of oil. TOP CAR
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I remember having an interesting conversaton with Norbie at the nationals on the topic of Toyota engines Vs the GM/Ford ones...I was (as usual ) extolling the virtues (and particularly the strength!) of the 1UZ. Anyway, we got talking about the GEN3 engine and I made mention of the fact that GM, in their "wisdom: chose to spend $1 billion developing a push-rod engine. Norbie mentioned that people were taking their almost-new WH Statesmans into dealers for routine services, where the engine had used 5 litres of oil since the last one, and were told "Don't worry, that's normal"
Yep, I'll definitely swap the 1UZ for one those...NOT!
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 22 May 2003 00:52
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if you dont run an engine in properly (like taking it to redline straight of the showroom floor) it will drink oil its whole life...
i'd say all these horror stories of gen3 and ford v8's its beucase they're slack ass drivers havent looked after the car properly
btw - i'm not excusing gen3 and ford v8's tendancies to drink oil
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Re: 300kw Xr6 turbo - fast family fun !
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Thu, 22 May 2003 00:54
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Sure I can understand there will be the odd few who don't follow the run-in procedure, but from what I've gathered, its a pretty much across the board thing, at least for the Gen3.
Why else would Holden move their acceptable oil usage between services to 5l???
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Thu, 22 May 2003 04:38
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| toycelica77 wrote on Thu, 22 May 2003 10:52 |
if you dont run an engine in properly (like taking it to redline straight of the showroom floor) it will drink oil its whole life...
i'd say all these horror stories of gen3 and ford v8's its beucase they're slack ass drivers havent looked after the car properly
btw - i'm not excusing gen3 and ford v8's tendancies to drink oil
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Perhaps you should read the owner's manual...It actually says something like "There is no need to follow a rigid run-in schedule..." or something like that.
Besides, 5L of oil between changes??? OMFG! That must be close to the fill capacity of the engine! (If mine did that, I'd be very worried).
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Thu, 22 May 2003 05:31
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GM engineers brainstorming session..
Head Engineer: ok we have $1 billion to spend, how can we make this engine more efficient?
Junior Engineer (most probably from europe or japan): ummm... get rid of the pushrods...
Rest of the engineers in the room: *GASP*
Head Engineer: YOUR FIRED!
 
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Thu, 22 May 2003 05:56
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The GT's spec are impressive. Quad cam, variable cam timing, alloy heads, tuned length intake runners and so on. Very impressive until you own one.
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