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18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Wed, 21 May 2003 09:48
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I have a 2s engine in my celica at the moment. i also have an 18rgu engine with twin carbies under my house. Im not sure what to do up but i want fuel injection. Can anyone tell me how well a 2s engine will do up or should i just stick to my 18rgu and leave carbies on it. Please help me people. Also is it possible to get a turbo for the 2s engine and electronic ignition. if anyone knows if other car engine distributors will fit let me know.
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Wed, 21 May 2003 10:00
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I assume you have an SA63 celica ?
Dont bother with the 2s - its not a performance engine.
Im not sure if the 18rgu is legal (emmissions wise) but would be a better option.
Save up some dollars and go for the 3sg(t)e 
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Rocklea qld
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February 2003
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Wed, 21 May 2003 10:06
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what are the 3sg(t)e likes. What do they come out in. So you reckon stay away from the 2s. I mainly was gonna do it for the fuel injection but i might stick with my 18rgu. It does already have lumpy cam in it.
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adelaide
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May 2002
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Wed, 21 May 2003 11:53
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The 3S-Ge and 3S-Gte come out in the newer post-late-eighties celicas and mr2's and came out in a few different generations, with slightly different specs.. They are all twincam 2 Litre's, the -Gte with a CT26(?) ceramic turbo.. They are regarded as one of toyotas best motors and have often proven to be very successful for modifications.. Even in such cars as Wayne Gardner's xA80 Supra that he races in japan in the GT races instead of the 3 litre twin turbo!! because its half as heavy and has a lot of power on tap..
This is one of the most recommened engine swaps for someone who has a lot of time or technical expertise.. or just the money to pay a good mechanic and auto-electrician..
A 3S-Ge swap would be pretty cool into an sa-63, yet for the money it would be better to go all out with the gte..
people have been known to spend over $8k for a complete conversion with all the neccessary bits and pieces, plus the cost of an engine, etc..
If you had a bit of cash, go the 1G-Gte, its a twin-cam 2 Litre straight 6-cylinder with twin turbos. These are a lightweight, powerful new-ish age motor from the older late-eighties soarers(and others..)
This would probably be cheaper as these engines can often sell for as little as $750..
The 18RGu's are good motors and if youve got one lying around why not chuck it in, it shouldnt be too difficult swap, just yeh they mite not like a 70's motor going into an 80's car... but is probly all good. Im putting an 18R-Ge into my celica. its got standard fuel injection, except rite now tho the injectors are buggered.. 
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March 2003
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Wed, 21 May 2003 12:05
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How do they judge if its legal or not?
If its by emmisions, then wouldn't an 18rgeu put out less than a 22re from an ra65 celica?
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USA
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May 2003
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Wed, 21 May 2003 23:59
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Many guys I talk to go with the 3S. the 18R will require a belhousing for R series engines. No big deal, but true. I hear the crossmember is different too. SA6's are rare here.
Im told 3S turbo's can hit 300hp cheap. I'm still running modified 20/22R's and considering a 1UZ. I have a Chevrolet 400 small block 6.6 liter, that might be fun in a 77 liftback. It the immortal words of Zaphod Beetlebrox, "looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow..."
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Brisbane
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December 2002
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Thu, 22 May 2003 03:53
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Not sure how old the ra6X series Celica are, but the 18rg's were made up till around 85. well the efi ones anyway. I would say no to waisting good money on an engine like the 2s-c. But if it was down to $$$$ and you could do it on the cheap the why not. I have never heard of performance parts for that engine though. If it was me I would save my penny's and go the 1G-Geu or the turbo variety.
I would go the latter model 1G-geu with the map sensor. Mainly for insurance reasons, but saying that I have never been in a car that has either. I am sure if I had a ride in both I would say stuff the insurance, go the turbo's. I would love at 1G in my Celica. but I can't justify that amount of money.
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Sydney
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July 2002
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Thu, 22 May 2003 11:33
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Flat out the 18R-GU isnt a legal engine swap into that car - the motor is older than the car therefore it's not allowed.
Definitely look at the 1G-GTE/1G-GZE/1G-GE conversion. There are PLENTY of articles written on this very conversion at:
Toymods Articles Page
Have a read of those and see what you think. It's proven to be the best bang for buck conversion with ANY RWD celica.
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Melbourne
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March 2003
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Thu, 22 May 2003 12:43
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Why is it illegal?
If it complies with the emissions of the year that the car was produced in there shouldn't be any problems right?
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: 18rgu or 2s engine. Whats better to do up
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Thu, 22 May 2003 12:57
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The rule is the engine can't be older than the car. That's the case in NSW and Qld anyway; I'm not sure about Vic, but I doubt it's any different.
As mentioned above the 18R-GEU was manufactured until the mid-80's and was fitted to a nearly identical car to yours (RA63), so you should be OK if you use one of them. 18R-GU's are older, but I'm not sure how much older.
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