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camira delco computers
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Thu, 22 May 2003 02:33
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i was just wondering if any one has used the camira computer 2 fuel inject and turbo and older engine and what where your thoughts thanks
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Re: camira delco computers
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Thu, 22 May 2003 02:57
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Talk to HKSPete - he'll chew your ears off about the wonders of the DElco computer.
From most accounts on these things:
- THey are DIRT cheap to buy
- BUT: there are only a couple of people who can tune them, so tuning can be a slightly higher cost.
Ask HKSPete (PM him) about his tuner.
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Re: camira delco computers
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Thu, 22 May 2003 13:17
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also i went 2 the wreckers 2 day and asked about these comps and was told there are 2 different types what model do i want the comp from ?
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Re: camira delco computers
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Thu, 22 May 2003 13:35
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| $450 ta22 wrote on Thu, 22 May 2003 21:17 |
also i went 2 the wreckers 2 day and asked about these comps and was told there are 2 different types what model do i want the comp from ?
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If we are just talking about camira computers in general, then the two types are the Bosch one and the Delco one.
I am not sure if there are two versions of the Delco in the camira, I assume if there was then the later the better 
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Re: camira delco computers
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Thu, 22 May 2003 15:27
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I'm here!
Delco is great. Has the best learn block of any computer (far as I know). Is also great for pulling out fuel when "cruising", my fuel economy is GREAT now (compared to turbo 6).
Very versatile - older bro has a 3TG-TEU, younger bro has a 4AG-E, and I've got a 1UZ-FE all running camira delco. Also seen a 924T engine with it on, 6cyl porsche engine used for racing, etc.
Mine is off a JE Camira. MUST be a JE. Got mine for $150 with everything on it. Changed over all the sensors on my V8, wired in 4 more injectors and another 4 weeks getting a box made up to control the ignition of the two coils.
For an old 4 cylinder turbo (WHICH ONE!?), the Delco is great for stuff like a 3T, 3S, 18R, 4A ... ?
Its a lot easyer if the engine has a dizzy as that is where one of the main signals come from.
If you have someone to wire and/or tune it it will definately help. If you can actually work through stuff (like see that what your holding is an injector so that must have an injector wire (or two) connected to it) then you can work it out yourself, and wire it up yourself.
What I try and tell everyone is to find someone that can tune a computer, then put that computer on. If your like Paul and can tune a microtech yourself, then put a microtech on. If you know someone with Motek then do that. If you want to know someone that can tune Delco (in Sydney) then I'll give you Dick's details.
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Re: camira delco computers
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Thu, 22 May 2003 20:29
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what HKSPETE said early rolla.
there is no bosch version dude. only delco
1227808 series if you're really interested.
JE would be the best type to go for. N13 Pulsar also, BUT only in the 1.8 NOT the 1.6 (1.8 was MPFI the 1.6 was single point)
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Re: camira delco computers
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Fri, 23 May 2003 02:07
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pete, do you have any actual details on doing this conversion? I have a TA22 with a 3T-GTE and i want to try and wring a bit more out of it but can't afford an aftermarket system at the moment. I would love to hear more.
Daniel
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Re: camira delco computers
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Fri, 23 May 2003 02:37
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I'm in the same boat, need more control over the fuel and ignition for my 3t-gt (lots of nice upgraded bits and pieces, like intercooler and turbo and fuel pump and rising rate reg.) that I can't make the most of, but I can't afford a new engine management system (my girlfriend would kill me:). Any and as much detail as you could supply would be very much appreciated. Cheers, Chris.
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Re: camira delco computers
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Fri, 23 May 2003 05:38
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hooray finally some interest in these computers on this board.
pete what software do you use to program the delco - kalmaker?
I was considering going the kalmaker route - do you think thats the best way to go???
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Re: camira delco computers
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Fri, 23 May 2003 05:43
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The thing i am wondering though is what do you need to do to make the Delco compatible with the 3T-GTE? and what mods do you need to do so that you can actually program it?
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Re: camira delco computers
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Fri, 23 May 2003 07:58
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This thread is really interesting  How would this ECU go on a 3S-GTE with the dizzy removed?
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Re: camira delco computers
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Fri, 23 May 2003 08:53
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Cool1: can be done. I don't know how. I havn't got a dizzy on my engine.
I talked to Dick today and he said that if there are a few people with 3Ts then he might be able to do a deal.
Bottom line I recon to run a Delco computer & fully tuned would cost at least 2 grand.
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Re: camira delco computers
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Fri, 23 May 2003 14:48
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i was hopeing they where easy 2 tune at home as a cheap alternative 2 goin the microtec route. as i going 2 test bed it on a mates datsun 1200 before considering doing the same 2 the 2T engine for some thing different and a little cool .
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Re: camira delco computers
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Sat, 24 May 2003 08:18
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How hard is it to hook these computers to an old non efi engine.
I guess there will be fun and games with seting up the hardware, such as injectors. Does it use a distributer type crank angle sensor or would that be a big problem??
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Re: camira delco computers
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Sat, 24 May 2003 09:08
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"wire every thing up start you your programming it is that easy not." - roger
what is that in english?
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Re: camira delco computers
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Sun, 25 May 2003 02:26
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Anthony, Dick has put the delco on a 924T that used mechanical injection instead of EFI. He had to drill out the holes for the injectors and make a fuel rail etc. and pickup all the necessary sensors etc.
Yes the distributer trigger can be used.
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Re: camira delco computers
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Mon, 26 May 2003 01:45
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Roger: GREAT info! I'm gonna go through that list and see what I can do myself to get my own logs etc.
How is the logging on the standard computer? My tuner uses a high-speed computer which I'm told is much better as its finer detail and more accurate readings (and also has the plugs for the wideband and laptop).
Other things you'll need to tune it is a wideband sensor and a hole in your exhaust (I've got a plug in mine that can be easily taken out and the wideband put in).
With the Delco's LEAM block, one of the easyest ways to tune it, is to download the leam block and have a look where the computer is actually adding or taking out fuel, that gives you a rough idea of where needs attention. Then from that you could dodgily add/take out fuel, or look more closely at it with a wideband sensor to find out exactly how rich/lean it is.
Leam block has restrictions of how far it will go though. I think it starts off at 128 which is nominal, only goes as rich as 140 (maybe more?) and only as lean as 100. I'm not totally sure on this bit.
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Re: camira delco computers
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Mon, 26 May 2003 03:29
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Yeah a wide band sensor would be good but the cost of the sensor is prohibative.
HKSpete sounds like you have the 8192 baud ALDL connection (VR/VS computer). or at least your tunner has one. The JE camira computer is slower in its updates but still surfices.
Tuning is as you described with the BLM once the BLM is right start looking at the INT (same sort of information by the BLM is long term learning, INT is short term learning) forget what it stands for i think it is integrator. There is a good write up off this on the web.
If you are using the VR/VS computer you will need the associated *.ecu file for winbin there may be one in the directory that I put up not sure though. The 1227808 might still work if they are using the same code, again not sure.
roger
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Re: camira delco computers
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Tue, 27 May 2003 23:13
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TunerCat have just released a real time programmer you can get an evaluation version for 30 days, In order to program in real time you need an Itronics romulator (eprom emulator) for $179 US. If any one is interested I will have the 1227808 definition file sorted shortly to use on Tunner CAT, check out the real time editor here
www.tunercat.com
The binnary file that I listed earlier is incorrect it is for the throttle body calibration therfore is not suited to multi point use this one of these files which is VN commodore I think.
ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/pub/gmecm/bin_lib/1227808%20 %205D/
With a real time tunner and diagnostics I would liken the system to Kalmaker at half the price, pity the diagnostic and tunner don't interact and the emultor method is not as nice as the way Kalmaker change the memory.
The great thing with these systems is, if you have more than one car that runs aftermarket injection your cost is spread over the cars unlike buying an epensive system for each.
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