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 Why do men drive FWD? hehehe
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Wed, 28 May 2003 07:30
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Sorry the title makes me laugh
I just wanted to find out people's views on front wheel drive cars.
Personally i hate them i mean my missus has one thats ok shes a girl and wouldnt know what to do with a rwd anyway (ie sideways action)
But to see guys proud of doing up there fwd seems very sad to me - havent these people drove in the wet with a rwd car, that is something a fwd can never do......... hang it sideways.
im sure some of you will disagre 
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Wed, 28 May 2003 07:50
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Not everyone is interested in "sideways action". Hell, the vast majority of people aren't interested in cars full stop. I'm no fan of FWD cars myself, but they have their place.
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Wed, 28 May 2003 07:58
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Yeah they have there place
In a woman's drive way
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Re: Why do men drive FWD? hehehe
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Wed, 28 May 2003 08:03
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I'm thinking this thread is gonna start some shit But I love it
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Wed, 28 May 2003 08:21
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Yeah i cant stand FWD either.....but really dude.....EACH TO THEIR OWN
the majority of cars are FWD so that does eliminate alot of options for ppl
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Mani
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Wed, 28 May 2003 09:13
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haha 
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Wed, 28 May 2003 10:12
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ok, what about fwd lancers and massive spoilers hanging off their arses, that kinda thing is pretty stupid imo
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Wed, 28 May 2003 10:39
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hack yeah i cant stand that stuff
but like i said.....each to their own....in my opionion anyway
i just find it silly judging someone on what car they drive
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Mani
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Wed, 28 May 2003 11:44
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It makes me sad that a lot of the smaller fwd cars could be awesome machines with rwd. fwd is the sort of thing that happens when bloody accountants are allowed to make business decisions. 
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Wed, 28 May 2003 11:52
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That's funny, cause me and my mate with an SX Corolla were just talking about this tonight. I was saying that my next car would be a RWD or Four Wheel Drive, but I have a few reasons that I still like my front wheel drive.
For a long time, generally speaking, rally cars (which, yes, I classify as the best form of racing, combining the hightest quality driving and strongest machine engineering) were FWD till Four WD came in and beat them. In real (rally) driving, RWD just doesn't cut it. This is because in FWD you have a great ability to pull yourself through corners (instead of risking a slide you just plant it) and you can power out and keep control much easier. RWD one just has to be a little more careful in such situations, hence their no-show action in the rally world. Similar principles apply anywhere though.
But if you are a city boy and like the old burn out or two, a bit of slippage exiting a round-about, then you must buy a RWD, and I don't blame you. I don't drive RWD very often, so honestly, I can't say everything, and I KNOW that RWD drivers love their RWD cars. Is it a complex? 
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Wed, 28 May 2003 11:58
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If it came down to a performance situation, I wouldn't even think about FWD. I've got a preference for RWD, although RWD biased 4WD and systems like the GTR and EVO are great in my opinion. 4WD tend not to have as close to 50:50 weight distribution due to the extra drivetrain though.
FWD has stuff that the other two will never be able to achieve to the same extent. FWD cars usually have better use of the wheelbase in terms of interior space, and they don't have a transmission tunnel running down the middle. Therefore in that role, FWD cars own. They are also usually biased towards understeer which is "safer" for people who don't want to drive hard and they don't tend to get into those "oh look, there's the tail" situations.
I don't see me in the near future owning a FWD car, but they definetly have their place.
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Wed, 28 May 2003 12:09
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Hi,
I noticed that rally car cars were discussed in this thread. Well, Lancia Stratos, Ford Escort, Metro V8, Datsun 1600, Datsun anything....  , etc........
But FWD do have there place, just not in my driveway!!!
Cheers,
Justin
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Wed, 28 May 2003 12:16
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| RobST162 wrote on Wed, 28 May 2003 19:52 |
For a long time, generally speaking, rally cars (which, yes, I classify as the best form of racing, combining the hightest quality driving and strongest machine engineering) were FWD till Four WD came in and beat them. In real (rally) driving, RWD just doesn't cut it. This is because in FWD you have a great ability to pull yourself through corners (instead of risking a slide you just plant it) and you can power out and keep control much easier. RWD one just has to be a little more careful in such situations, hence their no-show action in the rally world. Similar principles apply anywhere though.
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I think you'll find fwd has never been competitve with rwd or 4wd in rally cars. fwd cars have only ever been competitve in the restricted classes biased towards fwd.
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Wed, 28 May 2003 12:20
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fwd was implemented into cars simply to keep production costs down. By keeping all of the gear together it was easier to produce the cars cheaply.
There are no doubt some awesom fwd cars around, its just that i like to be pushed not pulled
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Wed, 28 May 2003 12:22
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they only race FWD rally cars because its what the class says it has to be
not fo any performance increase
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Wed, 28 May 2003 12:25
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Well..
I personally don't care who won what, I was just observing. There have been some fantastic RWD Rally cars, like the Stratos and the Escort. They were very hard to beat for few years. But prior to them there was very little activity in the RWD camp. After the Escort, 4WD really took over with a few FWD exceptions turning in some good performances like the Peugot 306 Maxi in '96 (oh, and the Renault Megane Maxi too). While RWD in the 90's have dropped off the planet all together. Really in the last 15 years RWD haven't held a candle to anything. Maybe if we lived in the 80s RWD would be king, but not today I am afraid. The Cosworth in the early 90s proving the only exception that I can think of.
Better traction, better setup into corners. When you power in a RWD, it wants to go out, which is fun, but doesn't help you go faster..... anyway.. enough about all that...
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Wed, 28 May 2003 12:41
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not that i'm a bogan or into burnouts or anything, but here is a good argument against FWD
picture a front wheel drive car doing a stationary burnout.
i have always had an irrational hate of FWD, i woulldnt ever own one unless it was free, and produced a 6 pack every week.
mind you, i will never own a V6 either, but that is a different story.
they have their place, and its one of these:
reverse doughnuts (look really cool, bye bye CV joints)
delivery car
shopping trolley
(yeah, ok. rally car - but thios is only because you can make a FWD lighter than a RWD)
etc.
on the point of the stratos, looks cool (but has a V6 so that counts aganst it) i'm not too keen of mid/rear engined cars either, i dont think i would have the patience for a car that wasn't essentially self correcting.
TOYOTA, BRING BACK TEH AE86 pl34s3!!
oh yeah, and the honda s2000 is damn cool, imagine if more of their cars were RWD.
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Wed, 28 May 2003 12:51
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Fwd is also good for doing hand brakies with your foot flat on the throttle!! 
Don't knock the Stratos Shinyblue, it's got a Ferrari V6!!!
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Wed, 28 May 2003 12:53
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| shinybluesteel wrote on Wed, 28 May 2003 22:41 |
oh yeah, and the honda s2000 is damn cool, imagine if more of their cars were RWD.
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The S2000 is an overpriced, under-performing POS. There are far superior cars at half the price.
The fact that Honda only make FWDs (apart from one RWD supercar) shows in the crap rear end suspension tuning on the S2000. Imagine paying $80k for a car that wouldn't grip if you changed the rear tyres! Or the fact that you'd get beaten at the lights by $40k cars like the 200SX and WRX!
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Wed, 28 May 2003 13:12
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yeah being a FWD driver i see no advantages compared to RWD but i dont mind, still like my car. next car will be a RWD for shure but.
i think s2000 heaps awshum but its been critisised for gears that do not make the most of its power curve. maybe thats why it cant compete with turbo 2l cars half its price.
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Wed, 28 May 2003 13:16
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Me old TA22's got 260 KW's at the rears and I'm still around to tell it , I doubt if I would be here if I had 260 KW's at the fronts .
Trevor
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Wed, 28 May 2003 13:20
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I have seen some FWD drive cars do bigger burn outs then rear wheel drive cars reverse douies r the go as well
I know my seca would shit on alot of RWD drive cars
all the bogans in there shitty commos
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Thu, 29 May 2003 00:14
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fwd do a better burnout then a rwd............dreamin
It's a lot harder to get a fwd smoking than a rwd.
plus you have a lot more control due to the fact u dont have the handbrake on
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Thu, 29 May 2003 01:21
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thats a bit contradictive mate
all cheap front wheel drives not only look like crap stock they also go like crap.
at least with a rwd you can go and get sideways out bush do a decent burnout and lap doughnuts
what more could you want form a cheap rwd? 
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Thu, 29 May 2003 01:27
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[quote title=Twinky wrote on Thu, 29 May 2003 08:50]I think the reason most guys drive front wheel drive is because MOST cheap RWD cars look like crap stock
I dont know where you got the idea most guys drive fwd, from what i see its the women who own the front wheel drives or maybe your just getting in touch with your feminine side
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Thu, 29 May 2003 01:30
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I bet when my ae82 was stock it would of flogged your corona.
Sounds like all they are good for is thrashing the shit out of in the bush, just as you said.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 01:32
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Most guys as in MOST OF THE GUYS THAT DRIVE FRONT WHEEL DRIVE. I didnt mean most guys drive front wheel drive.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 01:36
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| moo4AGZETA22 wrote on Wed, 28 May 2003 22:09 |
Hi,
I noticed that rally car cars were discussed in this thread. Well, Lancia Stratos, Ford Escort, Metro V8, Datsun 1600, Datsun anything.... , etc........
But FWD do have there place, just not in my driveway!!!
Cheers,
Justin
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Exactly - the only FWD car i think that had any credit of late were the Peuegot 205's in the F2 class - cause they were killers in the tarmac rallys - get them on the other conditions - and the AWD's would eat them up - and spit them out
the ones mentioned above are the ones speak about in classic rally - and if youve ever driven a rs2000 thats rally prepared - youd definantly see it had the right stuff to keep up there
As for front wheel drive overall - I dont like them - I dont like the idea of traction and Steering being on the same setup - i dont like the idea of having absolutely no chance of recovering from a tailslide if things get messy - At least with rwd you can correct and power out
After riding in CeLiCa's FWD 3sgte st184 - i found yes they do accelletate and pull off the mark hard - but F*** me if i was to have that in the wet ! vety good car in the dry but i really REALLY would prefer my gt4 - or old ta22 if things get a little slippery
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:01
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sorry to say but your "TWINKY" would get hurt.
I have flogged many rice boys in there 4cyl fart in a can. And by the looks of your picture you've got rice.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:08
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Yeh nice work shit head.
Sorry i dont drive a bath tub on wheels called a corona.
You started this post saying
"I just wanted to find out people's views on front wheel drive cars"
You wanted peoples opions, you got mine, so just shut the fuck up.
END OF STORY.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:25
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this thread is an example of the negative side of an on-line community
toymods over the years has established itself a reputation for being informative, helpful and understanding to all aspects of toyota, yet someone can come in off the street with no credibility, and start a thread and argument that doesnt represent the views of toymods...
now someone else might come off the street and see this thread, they might have valuable contributions to make but are scared away from doing this because of a slack jawed one sided thread...
i really hope this thread is locked down and sent to the bottom of the forums...
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:30
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Please God. Make it stop.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:38
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FWIW...
Take a look at the Higher-end luxury/sports cars going around. (ie. those that concentrate on form/function over price considerations). You'll find that, almost to the last car, they are RWD or AWD. A notable exception is the Volvo and Saab products, although I think they are biased to the Safety market (ie. less "spirited" driving with a tendency to understeer etc).
I had the FWD Vs RWD debate with my father some years ago (he drove a Mitsubishi Verada then; drives a V6 Vectra now), he came down on the side of the FWDs. (I laughed at him... all in good spirits, mind you!)
As for me, I have 2 cars, both Toyotas, both running non-standard engines, and both RWD...
I just think that driving, suspending AND steering is too big an ask.
Additionally, FWD was introduced for no other reason than economics. ie. they are cheaper to produce. It was NOT a question of a performance benefit, which it isn't.
My 2c.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:48
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Exactly my oppinion Biased99
GT - have some earmuffs - and a rag - it will help lessen the dribble thats infecting this " debate " Thread
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:50
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this thread is getting so boring all i say is each to there own and what ever makes you happy makes you happy
twinky we know what we are on about mate rolla brother
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:51
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Yeah u drive a washing machine with a hair drier under the hood.
i could probably fit your car under my hood.
U want my view on fwd theyre shit rice boy cars even my missus laughs at guys TRYING to look cool in there mums corolla.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 02:54
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Again, FWIW...
My opinion (emphasis on "opinion") was NOT expressed to exacerbate an RWD Vs FWD flame war, but was just...my opinion!
I wholeheartedly support the "each to their own" philosophy.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 03:29
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its like arguing the point that v8s are shit, or rotors are shit. they are different variants of the same thing. like MR cars, they are in essence FWD but reversed.
you cant argue that rwd are better, or the FWD are better, you can just put your views accross.. and saying that only girls drive FWD cars just shows how blid yu are to the variety that is around.
everyone has own taste, dont put shit on people for not likeing what you do...
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Thu, 29 May 2003 03:39
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B4 you start shooting your mouth off u better make sure of what ppl have done to there FWD cars and i would just like to point out that 4AGZE'S are front and rear wheel drive compatable. Also know my 4AGZE seca FWD would smoke alot of shitty RWD. As i side b4 each to there own what ever makes you happy thats all that counts. I find most ppl that bag the shit of other peoples cars r normal the jelious ones that cant afford to do there cars up and nv any1 that has the cash to do it.
EACH TO THERE OWN MATE!
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Thu, 29 May 2003 03:54
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ok... the rwd vs fwd debate has been done to death on these forums... do a search if you're really that interested
coronamark2 and Twinky - both of you have resorted to personal attacks and have been sent warnings
repeat such behaviour and you will be banned because it is not acceptable on our forums regardless of how justified you feel
if you have a problem with a person or thread please contact a moderator via the 'report thread to moderator' function or emailing the board - board@toymods.org.au
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