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Re: Major bad news. :(.........Please please advise!! :((
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Thu, 29 May 2003 00:22
 
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I was going to mention no spark, but if the mechanic has checked it with a compression test i guess not.
The glass is half full my friend.....conversion time 
The price between the two will be line ball for a rebuilt engine or a jap import installed.
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Club President
I supported Toymods
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Thu, 29 May 2003 01:12
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For your rebuild if you decide on that option Wilkins Performance Engines in Seven Hills are really good. - 9674 7037 No rebuild is cheap tho (Unless it is just a head gasket and depending on your deffenition of cheap)
For your conversion....... Pray like Buggery if you can't do it yourself cause I am yet to hear of anywhere good  Thats one of the reasons Toymods is such a great club. I recon our members are better than most conversion workshops.
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cambo
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May 2002
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Thu, 29 May 2003 07:32
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ok if you cant or wont be doing any of the wrok yourself, i recomend just fixing it, becuase paying someone else to do a 20v conversion would cost way to much. just leave it with the mechanic and get him to take the head off. either way its gonna come off blown head gasket or cracked head. once you got it off you will know, if its just the head gasket, slap it back on, if its the head, get another one prob no more than $150 for the head itself. doing the head gasket on one of these is relatively simple so should only cost you about $300 (just a guess) pluss an additional $150 or so if its a cracked head. make sure you always got good coolant just if you havent thought of this already.
ofcourse if you are willing to do work yourself, desregard all of the above. 
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sydney
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March 2003
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Thu, 29 May 2003 09:21
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the reason not many workshops do good jobs is the owner of the vehicle is not prepared to pay for a good job
i just got asked questions about a conversion and they said they are goin to get it done at the place with best quote
these days unfortunately u get what u pay for
workshops will usually loose money on conversions if u take all the time spent times by the hourly rate
then u get a quote and take it down the road to another workshop
and get a better quote
everyone is undercuttin everyone just to get the job and in the end u pay little and get a shit job
if u pay little for a conversion then u shouldnt be complaining
if u goto some of these workshops that have done the conversion b4 they might be able to give u a print out of a similar job with all parts needed and used so u can get a rough price
some workshops change water pump and timing belt on every conversion which is good cause u dont want the owner coming back complaining bout water leak etc
so just remember most of the time workshops get the blame just because the customer wants a cheap job and then has problems
im lucky i do everything myself so i would hate to see the money i would waste if i paid people to fix my cars
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MACKAY
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May 2002
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Re: Major bad news. :(.........Please please advise!! :((
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Thu, 29 May 2003 10:54
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I would say the head gasket has blown between #3 and #4 that is why there is no compression in those two cylinders , Take the head off get a surface grind and a new head gasket and bolt it back on .
Trevor
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Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Thu, 29 May 2003 11:57
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If you have to rebuild go a conversion
This kinda happend to me about 2 months ago. Engine shit itself, i wanted to go with a conversion(better engine more balls etc) dad was like "nononoonononono you'll end up spending more" etc etc after many arguments i gave in for various reasons(still didnt want to but thats life)
$4000 later i could of probably got a 7m-ge in there fully working(paying somone to do it) for not much more rather than have a fully rebuilt yet gutless 5m-e.
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Brisbane, QLD
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February 2003
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Thu, 29 May 2003 12:01
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If you have to rebuild go a conversion
This kinda happend to me about 2 months ago. Engine shit itself, i wanted to go with a conversion(better engine more balls etc) dad was like "nononoonononono you'll end up spending more" etc etc after many arguments i gave in for various reasons(still didnt want to but thats life)
$4000 later i could of probably got a 7m-ge in there fully working(paying somone to do it) for not much more rather than have a fully rebuilt yet gutless 5m-e.
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Thu, 29 May 2003 13:21
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Ok so tell me then what could be the causes of the head gasket blowing between cylinders 3 and 4? If i go for this fix, should things be OK after this or am I going to run into similar problems again?
THanks for all your suggestions
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MACKAY
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May 2002
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Thu, 29 May 2003 21:20
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Gaskets can blow between cylinders for a few reasons , the motor may have been hot at some stage which can cause the head to warp or the head bolts can stretch also detonation can burn the gasket through , If this is the case a surface grind on the head and a new gasket will be fine .
Trevor.
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Perth
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May 2003
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Sat, 31 May 2003 15:09
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Have to agree with Trevor.
You will probably find that the head gasket has taken some time to completely/noticeably burn through. The first time I did a head gasket it was between 3 and 4, just pulled the head, checked for warpage and re-fitted.
Unfortunately I think it has done it again. About five weeks back I near cooked it when a heater hose blew and leaked a substantial amount of water out, of course this had to happen during peak hour traffic on the freeway and on a hot day 
It is only now some five weeks later that I can hear the blown gasket. Have to a comp test yet to confirm 
I wouldn't jump to conclusions until you (your mechanic) pulls off the head. But it is very unlikely that the block would crack between bores unless the motor has been bored EXCESSIVELY oversize.
Cheers.
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I supported Toymods
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Epping, Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Major bad news. :(.........Please please advise!! :((
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Sun, 01 June 2003 03:12
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I agree with the workshop bit. For anyone who's done a conversion, it takes bloody ages. I figure it's better to buy a couple of toymodders a few cases of beer, and get to work.
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Club President
I supported Toymods
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Mon, 02 June 2003 00:20
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There is no such thing as an easy Conversion and Sideshow I agree with almost everything you said.
What irritates me about Most (Not all) mechanics is they cut corners that I myself would not normally cut. eg I had a new alternator made the other day to keep up with the headlight conversion. As my car runs and Amp guage and this new alternator needed a warning light to function properly he had to add a light into the system. Instead of calling me to ask if I wanted it he just wired it into the loom and covered in with loom tube. I would have taken the 15 miuntes extra to mount it in the dash. That may seem petty but its the stuff like that that puts me off. And hey I understand they have a job to do and want to get your car out quickly so they can get the next one started.
Oh and where I get my brake works done (when I can't do it myself) has a sign on there wall that reads something like.
"We realise that some of our competeitors may be cheaper. They realise what there workmanship is worth"
Doing a conversion yourself tho does have a downside... It will prolly take you 3 times as long as you expect it to take and cost you double what you budget not to mention more than likely shit you too tears. And as for saving on labour.... Have you seen how much Toymodders can eat when it is cold and they are working on a conversion ! Still all told I would much rather do it myself.
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