how are you comparing a 2JZ-GTE to a 13BT??
there's just a "slight" difference in the prices isn't there..


a better comparison is a 2JZ to a 20B......

[Updated on: Mon, 02 June 2003 12:14]

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you haveta modify the bottom end for a 2jz to handle 650rwhp

since when?? there are half a dozen of them in Australia and dozens in the U.S.
If youd like to attend the Toyota Nationals next year i will show
you a 1j producing this on stock internlas

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the japanese are starting to scrap the 2jz for the smaller 3sgte because they weigh alot lighter and cans till get the big hp

there is a massive difference between peak power and torque ....
a high h.p engine is ok for the track (provided you keep it reving).but the massive torque of the 2j would eat an equivalent powered 3sgte in a big heavy supra for breakfast

a lot lighter ????? ummm this still amazes me have you ever weighed either of these engines ???
there is only 50 kg difference ...ok 50 kg will help handling
and a 3sgte would make a better race car setup but for outright grunt.... PLEASE ...how many 1500 h.p 3sgte are there(nothing against the 3sgte they are an amazing engine but you cant beat cc's)

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also celicamad could u post up a list of all the 2jetc engined street cars running 8's on a $10,000 setup...thanks

i did not say the whole job could be done for $10,000 but the comparitive hardware was costing less than that (comparing the mazfix engine package)

i am fully aware of the overall cost .im building a 1j that potentially should easilly make this kind of power
my gearbox and diff alone cost $7,000


to the $10,000 engine package you can add .intercooler,plumbing diff mods(except for supra maybe) ,gearbox mods and a BIG tuning bill .not to mention tubbing the rear end slicks .then you probably need roll cage and wheely bars etc to be allowed to run

but these costs would apply to any 8 sec car

the fact is if the yanks are making 650 hp form stock internals (as have a few ozzy blokes) .then ITS possible for these times to be run in a 1200kg vehicle .and yes a 2j will fit in a Celica(wont be leagal) but a 1j would

MORBST ran 10.08 in a 1200 kg package making 550 rwhp with a LESS than $10,000 package including engine and diff and tyres ...with a 2.0 litre engine oh yeah UNTUBBED

gee i wonder how it will go with the 2jzgte soon to be fitted (so a little bird told me)

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I agree.. you CANT compare a 13B with a 2J. For cheap horsepower i really dont think you can go past a rotary. Sure you might not get the same torque or driveability

so the car IF ITS LIGHT ENOUGH will make big peak power
but it will be shit off the mark and out of a corner
and probably get blown on the street by good packages making considerably less power

Oh well that makes sense .... i though the whole idea was to have a fast CAR?????????????????

NO doubt rotary's can run good 1/4 mile times .And i have to agree fitiing a 2j to a small car would be a big job .

But at least it wont sound like a whipper snipper on steriods .or duck farting compressed air .And it will be quick on the strett

my mates 11.2 sec rotor does not come past my wifes Cressida 12.9 sec until 150 KPH .....big deal the race is over on the street at 120 MAX ... even he admits the big heavy cressida kicks but and is two full car lenghts on him at 100 kph

coming out of a roundabout its embarrasing for him ...he even said that

ANOTHER mate owns a 9 sec rotar drag car and has his own VERY WELL KNOWN ROTARY BUSINESS(no i will not say who )he still wants to sell rotaries ...and build BLOODY good ones(if there is such a thing)

i will quote him " rotars are 1/4 mile cars ..im sick of wankers thinking they can have a street quick 10 sec package from me .if they want that buy a 1j"..........AND he did for HIS street car


last time i checked this was a Toyota forum !!!!!!!!

rotaries are for people that want to tell thier mates how bigger numbers they can pull on a dyno .........Interesting how my car flogs others packages that have pulled 50 h.p more on the same dyno . and im heavier

perhaps some of you rotary guys can find a $3,000 engine package(including engine and gearbox and ecu and taishaft and diff) that can run 12.9 in a 1580 kg car ????..........mine does ..cant beat torque

[Updated on: Fri, 06 June 2003 12:21]

a rotor can be fast a 2jz can be fast.. anything can be fast it all depends on how much work you do.. what you see that si a fast rotor but not beating unless its got lotsa road has only prolly got minor mods done to it just like any motor.. take the stock turbo off and put a bigegr one on and it will make it go alot faster

[Updated on: Sun, 08 June 2003 11:41]