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Engineering an AE86
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Mon, 02 June 2003 13:28
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Hey all, kinda confused about engineering...
To put a:
4A-GE into an aus spec sprinter?
4A-GZE into an aus spec sprinter?
what needs to be done? are they both the same?
Thanks
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Location:
Melbourne
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April 2003
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Mon, 02 June 2003 17:01
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I would think thats there a easy way to get around engineering a sprinter when putting in a 4A engine, as the sprinter has a 4ac engine originally, then changing to a 4age or a 4agze, its the same family engine, I heard of a guy who put in a 4age in a T18, and got away with not engineering it as it was the same family engine that the car originally came with..
but not sure how to go about getting away with no engineering it...
but the main point of engineering, is that the car is safe, meaning that the brakes are sufficient enough to stop the car, and the engine is mounted up properly and everything is secure and will not fall off the car when driving etc..
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Terrigal
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Mon, 02 June 2003 23:13
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I put a 4age in an aus spec sprinter.
It didn't have to be engineered. Just a blue slip/engine number change.
Though they wanted a cat converter and unleaded fuel neck in it. Once I had this there was no problems.
Cheers
Joel
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Mon, 02 June 2003 23:16
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| natez wrote on Tue, 03 June 2003 03:01 |
I heard of a guy who put in a 4age in a T18, and got away with not engineering it as it was the same family engine that the car originally came with..
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Uh... T18's come with a T series engine, while a 4A-GE is obviously an A series engine. They're totally different!
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Tue, 03 June 2003 06:54
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you need an engineers for a lot of things engines, suspension, seats, etc...
both engines are easily engineered as long as you upgrade the brakes. the jap spec brakes would be sufficient for a ge but i dont know about gze. but if you were going to go gze you may as well get better brakes anyway not just for legallity but performance too. do it first tho its pretty easy to do the hilux upgrade yourself or if you got extra money which im assuming you dont you could pay someone to do the mazda upgrade.
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Location:
camden
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July 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Tue, 03 June 2003 10:28
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i have a bad feeling bout my car not passing engineering...wheels too big,too low,too loud i hope i can find a bodgy cunt...
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N.S.W
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Tue, 03 June 2003 13:31
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Since no ones has answered the question I will 4 you 
To it engineered.
(1) Brake upgrade, not sure bout the GE, but yeh GZE They would deff want you to upgrade the brakes. I would prob put some bigger ventilated brakes on the front and prob put a disc brake rear end in the back.
(2) Most engineers want the RTA emissions test - IM240 which is free
(3) Cat in your exhaust
(4) Need a unleaded fuel restrictor in the fuel filler neck
(5) Weigh bridge Certificate
(6) Stuff like wheels, ride height has to comply with the rules/bullshit, but you dont have to worry since yours is pretty stock
Yeh Ive prob forgot something, but im sure someone else can add to it.
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Camden, NSW
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June 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Tue, 03 June 2003 13:41
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Thanks John,
im glad someone decided to READ THE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!! 
Anyone else bother to read what i asked n is able to help?
Thanks
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Terrigal
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Tue, 03 June 2003 23:24
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I'll recap what I said before..
For a 4AGE :
It doesn't need to be engineered! I spoke to many engineers and they all refused to engineer it, because there is nothing to be engineered. It is a straight swap. All you need is an engine number change which any place who does a blue slip can do.
You do NOT need a brake upgrade (i'm not saying you shouldn't do one, but in the eyes of the RTA, blue slip etc you don't need one)
No emission test required, they are kind to you as you are changing from leaded to unleaded, carby to later model EFI.
No weigh bridge certificate, again its just an engine change report.
You DO need the unleaded neck and cat though. Thats it.
I got an unleaded neck from the wreckers, cut out the part and welded it into the original sprinter neck. Fitted a cat, drove it to a blue slip place, 10mins later drove it away.
No idea about the 4AGZE though, will soon though as currently fitting one to a sprinter.
Cheers
Joel
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I supported Toymods
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Northern Beaches
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May 2002
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Location:
N.S.W
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Wed, 04 June 2003 07:08
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Yeh my post was refering to a GZE 
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Location:
Camden, NSW
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June 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Wed, 04 June 2003 07:20
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Thanks for all ur help guys, this is what my local engineer told me.......
n relation to the engine swap, if the engine used is an import engine then you would require an emission test, conducted by the RTA. The emissions test is called an IM240 emissions test and is a free test. The only hassle is booking in for the test. You will need to call the RTA general enquiries line on 132213 to book the test. If the engine is sourced from an Australian Spec vehicle that is newer than your vehicle, then provided you retain all emissions components, and the engine is not modified in any way, then you will not require an emissions test. if the engine is older you will need to either pass an emissions test or run it on LPG. In either case you would need to upgrade the front brakes to equivalent to what was fitted to the vehicle the engine came out of, ie ventilated front discs of the same diameter. You would need to pass a noise test. All the heater demister hoses must be reconnected.
The engineers certificate covers the whole vehicle and not just the engine change, so any other modifications that have been done to the vehicle will also be covered in the certificate, and hence must meet applicable requirements.
The cost of an engineers certificate is $440 incl GST. This fee is broken up into two payments $220 for the initial inspection and $220 when the certificate is picked up. If there are items that need to be rectified, provided that you return for the reinspection within 3 months, no additional fee is charged.
So all i need is a brake upgrade n to do da tests... now i gotta find sumwhere who wont care bout da brakes...
Scott
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I supported Toymods
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Northern Beaches
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Wed, 04 June 2003 07:47
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thats if your going gze right?
cos ge doesn't need any of that, and they don't know if it came out of a jap ae86 or a aussie ae82 
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Wed, 04 June 2003 08:15
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| thug_immortal wrote on Wed, 04 June 2003 17:20 |
So all i need is a brake upgrade n to do da tests... now i gotta find sumwhere who wont care bout da brakes...
Scott
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Ummm. Mate maybe you should've checked with your local engineer in the first place.
Why in God's name would you not want a brake upgrade? That kind of defeats the purpose of having it engineered in the first place. May as well just fit the engine and not worry about any certification! Imagine how badly you will wish that you upgraded the brakes though when you are trying to stop, two hands under the steering wheel and two feet on the brake pedal saying the breathless "oohh F#%*k", 2 seconds prior to turning another Sprinter into scrap metal. Or will that be "thank god I found a botchy prick to pass the car."?
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Camden, NSW
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June 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Wed, 04 June 2003 12:56
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Dude, u take things so seriously!!!
I did check wid my engineer first, hence that post. I am still undecided as to GZE or GE tha old girl hence looking at engineering as i have limited funds.
Of course if i got a GZE i would do da brakes, otherwise thats just crazy, but i dont really see the need to upgrade brakes at the moment on a stock GE as i dont drive it like a race car as i cant afford feul if i do. When i get more funds, the brakes n suspension will be the first things upgraded before i even think about tweaking the engine
Scott
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Location:
Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Wed, 04 June 2003 23:09
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I got my gze engineered with standard brakes. BUt i hve since fitted vented jap spec brakes.
I had to do the IM240 tests as well. The only thing he didnt like was my rampod. You are suppossed to have a sealed airbox. Plus it was right on the limit for being too loud.
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Location:
Adelaide
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Thu, 05 June 2003 03:07
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Take YelloRolla advice..do the brakes and suspension first..
my first ae86 had a 4age and aus spec front disks..
It was okay in normal traffic but when ever you hit peak hours when its bumper to bumper it was no longer fun..
i drove the car up in the hills on time too, it was fine on the way up but the way down i ran out of brakes about 3 times..
the standard aus spec brakes SUCK..
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Thu, 05 June 2003 07:21
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you must have rung the engineer in campbelltown, cause thats almost EXACTLY what he tole me when i rung him about engineering my sprinter. try the guy in St Andrews you will find his price is somewhere in the $300-$400 bracket.
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Location:
northern beaches
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August 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Thu, 05 June 2003 08:40
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so does it make a difference wether your swaping to a 100kw or 86kw?
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Thu, 05 June 2003 11:09
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probably not.
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Location:
Camden, NSW
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June 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Fri, 06 June 2003 03:34
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Evo, i talked to the guy from camden.
Anybody else have any prices on cetificates cos the cheaper the better
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Terrigal
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Fri, 06 June 2003 04:07
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My 3t-gte conversion in RA28 Celica was only $200 from an Engineer on the Central Coast. Bit of a hike for Sydney people but lots cheaper.
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Location:
c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Fri, 06 June 2003 06:06
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my celica was done by peter smith in camden, $350
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Fri, 06 June 2003 09:52
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seems like the best idea is to just ring around and get the best quote.
thug_immortal, is that a red p plate on your car? if yes did i drive past you today on raby road? as always im never in my sprinter when i see another one. 
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Location:
Camden, NSW
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June 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Fri, 06 June 2003 14:59
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Yeah im still on my reds.
I doubt it as i wasnt on raby road 2day.
There is a nice red sprinter driving around which is owned by a red p plater. Looks pretty straight, dunno whats powering it though.
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Location:
sydney
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January 2003
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Sat, 07 June 2003 04:48
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| thug_immortal wrote on Sat, 07 June 2003 00:59 |
Yeah im still on my reds.
I doubt it as i wasnt on raby road 2day.
There is a nice red sprinter driving around which is owned by a red p plater. Looks pretty straight, dunno whats powering it though.
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by any chance does it have 5 spoke alloys ? and black on white plates?
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Location:
cambo
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May 2002
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Re: Engineering an AE86
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Mon, 09 June 2003 01:26
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ummm cant remember it went past too quick ive seen a very neat red one a few times in campbelltown with 17 chromies on it, looked very good apart from the wheels 
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