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 recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Sun, 08 June 2003 11:15
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Like an absolute idiot i had a guy from work install new springs on my cressie. He had issues with me paying $550 getting it done professionally and said he'd do it for $450. I asked him for kingspings, gave him the model numbers and guesstimated that it should be between 1.25"-1.5" lower than stock so the 17"/R45 wheels would fill the guards more while keeping as much of the ride as possible.
I pick it up, he's used pedders springs and gone 1.75" lower "because it looked a lot better". Now my four door sedan cant carry more than one passenger otherwise it bottoms out and scrapes. useless  theres absolutley no rebound on the front and the backs like a kid with ADD on a trampoline.
Im thinking a shocks upgrade might help this, but if the springs have been cut down and im going to have to get a new set, what have other owners done and what do you guys recommend?
Thanks..
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brisbane
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March 2003
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Sun, 08 June 2003 11:24
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yeah put some nice firm shocks in it.. the crassida shocks are preddy soft koni would go nice or pedders sports riders
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Location:
newcastle
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June 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Sun, 08 June 2003 12:16
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shocks will firm the ride but koni compared to pedders ... no wonder you compared a rotary to a 2j .
Basically there is no sustitute for good springs . i fitted the kings srpings at 1 and 1/2 inch and found them not too bad using kyb shocks the ride was still a little firm however with a big rear sway bar handling is VERY good .
i would simply remove the springs and take them someone that can re-set them to inch and a half and probably soften about 20% this should only cost $50 per spring MAX
Konis are WAAAAAAAY to firm unless your building a track car and pedders should be sold by k mart
the dual valve monroe arnt too bad but simply dont last .
if you intend fitting a 1j or similar power the rear end can't be too firm or wheelsipn is a major issue
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brisbane
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March 2003
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Sun, 08 June 2003 12:22
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i wasnt comparing them.. you dont knwo much about shocks do you.. shocks will give you alot mroe firmness then springs.. what do you think shocks do.. it obsorbs the bounce so it dont keep bouncing along and dampens it so its all controlled the harder the chock is the less movement in the suspension you get and the pedders shocks are actually very good yeah they used to be shit but now they have become a very good shock if you cant afford koni's or beilstien you buy ither munro or pedders.. he wantsta get rid of the sag when hes got a load not make it handle around corners you can ither do that or buy airbags and use a comfi shock. you put the airbags inside the springs and you cans et them at whatever pressure you want for the load you take
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Location:
Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Sun, 08 June 2003 12:24
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i would be pissed off that you asked for kings and the guy gave you pedders. he is just ripping you off for a bit more money in his pocket.
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newcastle
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June 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Sun, 08 June 2003 12:41
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so if i fit konis and lower the car 4 inches it still wont scrub .hell im gettin the oxy out tonight .chop chop those springs ,,,then i can chop chop your celica ...hmmm which car should i use ...doesnt really matter no competion ...ya knob
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Canberra
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May 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Sun, 08 June 2003 13:10
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Pedders lowering springs (which are King springs) approx 1.5 inch lower and the car sits beautifully on the road, all i'm getting now is a bush set (kinda have no idea how to get these) and a sway bar and everything should be peachy. 1.5inch is subtle though cos the back of these cars sits at 4wd height.
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Location:
adelaide
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August 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Sun, 08 June 2003 23:54
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mine also sat up in the arse,lowered it 2",front 1.5" using aurora (industrials) springs.now needs gas struts,rear too soft/rooted for heavier rate springs.front guards needed slight reroll to provide clearance for 17s,rear okay which is good because you would have to butcher the christ out of them to get any gain.car sits nicely over the tyres,without going over the top.paint the sill panels body colour to make it look lower again.what sway bar are you guys refering to,is there a bar off another car that is a straight bolt on,or is it aftermarket only.
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Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Mon, 09 June 2003 07:50
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| frebbles wrote on Sun, 08 June 2003 23:10 |
Pedders lowering springs (which are King springs)
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doh i feel stupid id still be annoyed that he didnt do what i asked. i bet it would ride like shit get him to do it properly and change the springs to what you wanted. but even if you do you will probably need to get new shocks anyway because when we had our grande my dad lowered it and it bottomed out everywhere till new shocks were fitted.
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May 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Mon, 09 June 2003 09:53
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I'm considering doing just this, and have sought quotes for same...
Basically, I'm going to get Kings progressive rate lowering springs, and combine those with Koni shocks/struts...The King's springs "should" provide adequate compression damping, while the Konis will take care of the rebound damping...All the while giving the car a nice lowish stance, as opposed to it's current 4WD ride height...I'm told that this combination works very well for the MX83 (For those among you considering upgrading yours).
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March 2003
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sydney
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May 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Mon, 09 June 2003 19:45
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dude!!!!!
cars lookin sweeeetttt.
if the springs have been decomp then yeah should be able to get them reset at the desired height no prob.
your only issue would be if the guy that installed them attacked them with a saw.
dont make the rear to firm you will never get traction again!
as celica mad said i think about $50 each spring to get dun properly.
let us know how you go.
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March 2003
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Tue, 10 June 2003 08:55
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ta dan..
i got my Apexi SAFC delivered today and a new airfilters going in over the weekend.. cant wait until next dyno day and see how its gone from where you guys left off.
thanks again for the beast =P
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May 2002
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Tue, 10 June 2003 23:54
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| speakafreaka wrote on Mon, 09 June 2003 21:03 |
What drop are you going biased?
...it looks good.. but its just not practical atm. im gonna look into getting new shocks, from what you guys say it seems like a good option.
If the springs were compressed, is there any way to decompress them? not myself, but if i take it somewhere and if so how much will it cost? can some sort of quarter inch spacer be inserted under the spring to raise the car?
In terms of price, what range should i expect to pay for shocks including installation? like from munroe to koni.
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If I can a drop similar to yours, without sacrificing too much ride quality, I'll go for that.
BTW, you mention that it's "not practical". Is this because it's bottoming out/too stiff? My intention in doing this is to retain ride quality while enhancing handling characteristics. If it doesn't fit BOTH bills, the idea will be shelved.
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March 2003
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Re: recommended drop for lowering a MX83 Cressie
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Wed, 11 June 2003 09:07
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when i was talking about not being "practical" i meant that i cant use my four door sedan to carry anyone in the back. If i wanted a "2 seater" i would have bought an JZ/MA70 supra 
The handling would be just as good with a 1" lowering and stiffer springs, but i wouldnt have trails of my new exhaust running over speed humps 
im getting new KYB shocks for it probably within the next month and bump stops put in tonight. ill report back to you how it is then to help you make a decision. if im still having problems then, im going to raise it half an inch 
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