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soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 06:45
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hey
if you were to compare a automatic v8 soarer's performance to another fairly big aussie car, what would it compare to?
for example an au3 falcon or a commodore or something like that?
i haven't had an opportunity to test drive one so i don't really know what it's like, are they faster than the abovementioned cars? do they feel torqueier (new word) because of the v8 or is it about the same since it's the same capacity?
if you lined up a 8cyl soarer with a performance car on a strip, what's the fastest car it could still beat? 
note: stock standard soarer 
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May 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 07:26
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Ive heard that same capacity but more cylinders gives u more torque and less top end .....dunno if thats true or not
Thanx
Mani
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 07:50
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| manipulate wrote on Sun, 15 June 2003 17:26 |
Ive heard that same capacity but more cylinders gives u more torque and less top end .....dunno if thats true or not
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It's not.
Lots of things influence the torque characteristics of an engine, but the number of cylinders has very little to do with it.
As for the Soarer, you'd really have to compare it to a big Euro tourer like the BMW 540. Local products like the Commodore and Falcon just aren't in the same league.
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 07:57
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for GT not GT limited
8.9 0-100
400m 16.58 @ 141.1
from an enthusiast i know, figures might be better or worse..
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October 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 07:58
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well purely from a performance point of view... i do understand it's aimed at a slightly different demographic, but all that aside, what could you compare it to when driving?
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October 2002
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 08:41
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id disagree with local products not being up there - Id happily put a BA Xr8 or fairmont Ghia in the same bracket as a soarer - and im pretty sure V8 wise - that the ford would have more torque - but less revviness given the nature of jap V8's ..
they diod a comparison in Hi-PO imports of CV8 monaro Vs Soarer Gt v8 - of course the Soarer won the comparison , but not by much.
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Balranald
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May 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 08:52
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Well I feel that my parents VX Commodore feels A LOT faster than my Twin Turbo Soarer. The way it goes about things (noise of engine, feeling of thedrive line, wheel spin.....) it feels asthough it's just done an 11 second quarter. 1st time I drove my car (1st time i'd driven a fast car...fast) I was really dissapointed. I thought I bought a donkey. It seemed really slow and didn't do much really. I Pulled out my trusty mobile phone stopwatch and did a 0-100 in parents car....9.1 seconds. Then in my car....6.25 seconds.
So Volatile i'm guessing the BA Falcon would be similar (maybe a little better) to a Commodore in the feel of speed. Soarers just don't feel quick due to refinement...very scary when my car is exactly 10 years older than my parents.
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Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 08:54
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exactly - soarer is more refined in the end - and seems to do it with ease - the aussie product is still a bit rough in the edges and designed to give more " rawness " in feel - expecially the v8's ..
how else can the falcadore boys get their rush
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Gold Coast
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January 2003
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Sydney
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 10:18
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| Norbie wrote on Sun, 15 June 2003 17:50 |
| manipulate wrote on Sun, 15 June 2003 17:26 |
Ive heard that same capacity but more cylinders gives u more torque and less top end .....dunno if thats true or not
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It's not.
Lots of things influence the torque characteristics of an engine, but the number of cylinders has very little to do with it.
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Thanx for the reply mate
so what is the difference then ?
whats the diff between same capacity but more/less cylinders ???
i wanted to open up a thread about this ages ago i was afraid of the dreaded "heard of a search engine ?" reply
anyone know ?
Thanx
Mani
(dont mean to hijack the thread)
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Gold Coast
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January 2003
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 10:27
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same capacity with more cylinders means
smaller, lighter pistons.
shorter stroke
more drag - due to more pistons and longer crank increased number of bearing etc.
This usually results in higher rpm limits and hp due to the lighter individual internals, smoother running and continual power strokes from each cylinder.
An engine with less cylinders tends to be more torqier but less hp
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Sydney
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May 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 11:05
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Sweet yeah that makes sense
Thanx Mate.
Much appreciated
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Location:
Sydney
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June 2002
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Sun, 15 June 2003 11:37
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i thought bore vs stroke determined rev and torque values.
an engine with cyl. with a larger bore than stroke can rev higher where an engine with cyl. with a larger stroke than bore has more torque. cant remember the source but i know i read it somewhere
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Mon, 16 June 2003 07:29
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my stock UZZ30 GT soarer ran a 15.5 at willowbank, so I dont know how the 16.58 figure was achieved......
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Cabramatta, NSW
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May 2002
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 Re: soarer vs what?
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Mon, 16 June 2003 08:16
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Yup. As Strober put it, the bore and stroke determine torque, not the number of cylinders in regards to an engine capacity.
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Gold Coast
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January 2003
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Mon, 16 June 2003 08:52
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you are missing the fact that the number of cylinders to a specific sized engine will effect bore and stroke. To reduce number of cylinders for same capacity you must increase bore and/or stroke so therefore it will effect torque
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Location:
newcastle
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June 2003
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Re: soarer vs what?
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Mon, 16 June 2003 10:00
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i know my 94 widebody camry beat 1 on the weekend 
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