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BansheeBuzz
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go do a search reply?	Sun, 15 June 2003 21:13

who dislikes it when you ask a question on the forum and someone comes up with "use the search engine - this topic has been covered 1000 times before"? I am writing this after recieving this replay and have also seen it many times before Personally i think the "use the search" reply should be given the ass. The reason is that if you cannot answer of provide help in solving the persons question, then why should you post at all? Im sure 99% of people are aware of the search engine and i might add alot of this stored info is dated and often irrelivant as i have used the search in the past and still do from time to time and often finding im still sending pm or topics to help me anyway. The other argument i have is that there is always new members joining these forums with new knowlege, ideas and perspectives on different topics which cannot be discovered through the search. [Updated on: Sun, 15 June 2003 21:19] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Sun, 15 June 2003 21:40

You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?

Sun, 15 June 2003 22:40

did i hurt your feelings ?

why waste time asking questions that have been done to death over and over and over again? theres a friging SEARCH ENGINE for that very reason.

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The reason is that if you cannot answer of provide help in solving the persons question, then why should you post at all?

cause we can and do provide the answer over an over again. if you spent 2 seconds 'looking' it would save anyone from typing anything.

"what kind of w-xx gerboxes come in celica's and supras" ??

get real dude

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 02:16

if you have been on these forums for as long as some of us here u will no doubt see that there are some topics that get covered so many times people start to get sick answering them. If the information exists many times over on the forums whats the point of taking our time (yep thats right no one gets paid here) to write up a long indepth thread on how to do a 1G conversion or convert a 3S to RWD when all the information can be retrieved using the search function... i feel that most if not all forum regulars do their best to be polite and welcoming to new members and believe that a "search the forums" rely isnt an intended palm off.. to experiment, i did a search for the information your after and found it within a few minutes so i cant see how it can be such a laborious (did i just invent a word?) task.. in fact without intention of offending anyone im even starting to get sick of asking people to use the the search function before posting... hope u understand.. EDIT SPELLING: me fail english thats umpossible.... [Updated on: Mon, 16 June 2003 02:18] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 06:31

yeah, I think like me it's easier (we think) to ask a question than to hunt for an answer. The "use search" may be seen as a bit rude, but really, it often provides much better answers that somebody may not have seen otherwise. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 07:02

BansheeBuzz, We understand that there are always new members arriving on these forums and with each new member there is every chance they will want to know something that has been discussed before. Alomst all the member here are only to happy to offer assistance to a newbie but there are cases when it really is in your best interests to do a search first ! There are topics that have been and gone a number of times in the history of the forums and those people that have helped time and time again do get sick of writing the same old reply. Generally it takes longer for them to type it than it would for you to use the search engine ! If you are genuine about wanting some help (And not just to lazy to do something yourself) then take the suggestion as it is intended. USE the search option and THEN post to your hearts content in relation to it. It is not uncommon for a year or more old thread to pop up on the top of the list because a new member wants clarrification of more information and this is something the people involved originally would generally be only to happy to assist with. It really isn't a case of piss of I dont wanna say it anymore generally its because the topic has been coved in depth by a number of people. And the best start is for you to see what was already discussed. If you try the search and THEN ask for help people will be alot quicker to respond. Please don't take this the wrong way we really are trying to help just some of us do it more polily than others ! [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?

Mon, 16 June 2003 07:22

thetoyman75 wrote on Mon, 16 June 2003 17:02

we really are trying to help just some of us do it more polily than others !

are you saying i lack tact, rod ? Rolling Eyes

but seriously, like rob said, its almost getting to the point where i cant even be bothered suggesting to use the search button !! people just dont get it!

mr bansheebuzz, you even say youve seen the 'do a search' reply come up time and time again, but, sir, you still do nothing about it... rats learn faster.

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 07:38

it's like Bart and the electrified cupcake ALL OVER AGAIN! [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 09:07

Whoa !!! Banshee Buzz, where did you get your alvatar pic from??? Have you got a larger version??? If so, send away to Rolla_Boy@cybermotorsports.zzn.com... Thanks man... [Report message to a moderator]

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THE WITZL wrote on Mon, 16 June 2003 17:38

it's like Bart and the electrified cupcake ALL OVER AGAIN!

"Is my brother dumber than a hampster"

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 10:27

Don't make me run! I'm full of chocolate!" Not Bart. Not even the same episode! And now a few from my mentor, the wonderful Dr Nick Riviera (who I'm reputed to look a bit like): "Just call 1900 DOCTORB. The B is for bargain." "The most rewarding part was when he gave me my money." [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 10:36

and my all time unforgetable moment: FBI - "all right mr simpson, when I say 'Hello Mr Thompson' and step on your foot, i want you to say 'Hello'... you got that?" HJS - "got it" FBI - "hello mr tompson" steps on foot HJS - blinks "I theeenk hees talking tooo yooo...." [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 10:53

Ohhhhh......We could have seen a monkey! Homercles cares not for beans! No solids?!?!? But I love solids..... [Updated on: Mon, 16 June 2003 10:56] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 10:59

H: So does that mean you won't eat bacon? L: No. H: What about ham? L: No. H: No more pork chop? L: Dad! They all come from the same animal! H: dreamy eyed and wishful Yeah right. A magical, mystical animal........ [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 11:46

If you want more Simpsons memorable moments USE THE SEARCH ENGINES!!! H: hehehehe! H: MMMMMM , the land of chocolate * arghrhgllll * H: ( to smithers + monty Burns ) So whatcha gunna do ? Release the hounds? Or the bees? Or the hounds with bees in their mouths so when they bark at you they Shoot bees?!? And the alltime favorite H: D'OH ( x 32 times in that little flashback thing ) [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 11:51

to G Tomato : HI DOCTOR NICK! "Your son is a very sick boy. Just look at these x-rays. You see that dark spot there? Whiplash. And this smudge here that looks like my fingerprint...no, that's trauma!" Dr. Nick: "Hi everybody!" Burns: "Ho merSimp son" Dr. Nick: "Okay...that was a little strange. When you were in that coma, did you feel your brain being damaged?" [Updated on: Mon, 16 June 2003 11:52] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 12:54

I have a new avatar! [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?

Mon, 16 June 2003 12:57

gianttomato wrote on Mon, 16 June 2003 22:54

I have a new avatar!

You sure about that Laughing

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 12:59

This might be a bit late in the thread but I dont givashit. [Updated on: Mon, 16 June 2003 12:59] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 13:01

Oh no! Not the Coroner. I hate that guy.... [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 13:40

shane, that image has been saved, and shall now and forever be used liberally for idiots asking, for the 14,007th time, will a 1ggte fit in my celica... ed [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 13:42

"the incision must be made below the blockage... BELOOOWWW" "wow, thanks little girl...." [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Mon, 16 June 2003 13:43

If I fit a 3S-GTE into my celica and then pull it out, do you think a 1G-GTE would then fit? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 00:14

ok ill probably get flamed in a major way for this but...... why do some people here at toymds feel that it is their duty to reply to threads which may not even interest them and for what its worth some people online here choose to rehash old topics purly for their interest in all things automotive, sometimes people aren't looking for a straight answer but want to know what others opinions are, with as many registered users that this site has (and usually the same people who reply all the time) some times its refreshing to get a different opinion even if sometimes it's very misguided, aren't these the things that occasionally give us all a laugh? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 00:36

Cool 1 thats the best Pic I have seen in ages ! Closely followed by this one: And of course the age old reality check ! And Ed, I never said you lacked tact.......... [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 00:40

LMAO I love that last one. Its most likely true [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 01:30

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JDM hachi wrote on Tue, 17 June 2003 10:14

why do some people here at toymds feel that it is their duty to reply to threads which may not even interest them.......some times its refreshing to get a different opinion

i dont think anoyne really replies to threads which dont interest them... not even if its only to post "do a search"

its the threads that do interst 'us', that we know a lot about, that dont contain a whole lot of 'opinion' just a bunch of numbers or facts, that 'we' get bored with answering over and over again.

eg: what w-xx gearbox came in my celica? etc etc

im all for discussion on opionionated topics, as i like the laugh
Laughing

but seriously, if youre after info on specs, facts, or conversion basics - why not do a search first?! people are just too lazy, and far too happy to take adavangtage of peoples time

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 02:18

ed - i think you offically hold the record for the worlds LONGEST SIGNATURE!!! Still, my fav character of ALL TIME, who ALWAYS makes me laugh my arse off. "Duffman THRUSTS in the direction of the problem. OH YEAH!" [Updated on: Tue, 17 June 2003 03:16] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 02:47

hehe Duffman rocks, Ive always wanted to make an entrance to an event to the song Ohh Yeah by Yellow ala-Duffman. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 02:52

Hehe, I am Duffman according to that Simpsons personality thing [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?

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THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 17 June 2003 12:18

ed - i think you offically hold the record for the worlds LONGEST SIGNATURE!!!

ok ok ok

fixed

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 04:12

He didn't say you had to change it, geez, its not like the American forums where people have bloody pics in their sigs! [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 04:16

yeah i cant stand those forums where people put huge pics in their sigs [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 06:22

Yup, every time I visit one of those sites where you read a one line reply then have to scroll a page to get past their sig, I'm glad that I have admin rights on here. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 08:03

ed - no time to reply to technical questions?? but you got time to write bullshit?? [Updated on: Tue, 17 June 2003 08:03] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 08:06

No, there is time to reply to technical questions, but whats the point to us spending time and effort answering peoples questions because they are too lazy to search for the last time we did it? Whats the point? Let it go... [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 08:24

ok smartass, here let me time myself (these are real times).... found @ 49 second split: http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=6077&rid=92&S=510737661e176ac3f1e3471680 33f718 found @ 1.28 min split: http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=12026&rid=92&S=510737661e176ac3f1e347168 033f718 and finally, @ 1.41 min split: http://forums.toymods.org.au/index.php?t=msg&t h=12074&rid=92&S=510737661e176ac3f1e347168 033f718 thats how much time YOU would have had to spend to dig up the info you required. I can choose to spend my time doing whatever the fuck i want, and if simpsons quotes are it, then thats what ill be doing. that DOESNT give you the right to be a bone lazy, selfish prick, absoving you of your own responsibility to do a bit of homework. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 08:32

its funny that one of them was your post and it has a link directly to a web site with the info on it posted by you again you could have just posted a link to that site [Updated on: Tue, 17 June 2003 08:32] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 08:38

and its funny how its MY website too huh? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 08:41

thats what i mean - all things aside but it would not have been hard for you to direct me there [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 08:43

yeah, i know, its not hard, but it gets tiresome and repetitive, especially when the info is right in front of you.... fact remains you couldve found everything you wanted by yourself, and teaching people to find stuff for themselves is a skill they can use over and over. i wasnt trying to be rude with my post... just telling you to go look... how does it go: give a man a fish, he'll eat for a night, teach him to go fishing, he'll eat for eternity [Updated on: Tue, 17 June 2003 08:46] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 08:47

So go and get fished. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 09:29

guys, remember the standard forum rules still apply here - no personal attacks. Either way, i too am sick of the number of times i have heard - whats a good motor for my RA23? - what brakes for my RA2? - can i fit a 4a-gze into my sprinter? And frankly im also getting sick of the number of times i have posted links as you have suggested bansheebuzz. I don't point the finger at anyone in particular, just the laziness of the majority of the internet community. There is a plethora of information out there BEGGING to be found and read.... if only people knew what a search engine was..... Heck, for my latest question (re: 21R-C ignitor and 22R-E dizzy) i went to my local LIBRARY and borrowed a book* cos i couldnt find anything on the internet. And then when i was still confused, i posted in Tech section! Now that's not lazy. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 09:31

and now to quote my signature: "Maybe you are all homosexuals!" [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?

Tue, 17 June 2003 09:33

THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 17 June 2003 19:31

and now to quote my signature:

"Maybe you are all homosexuals!"

Laughing

You wait till I see you! I'll be treating you like a shotgun(read: bent in the middle and loaded from the rear)
Cause as they say, your only gay if ya take it Twisted Evil

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Tue, 17 June 2003 10:11

next thing you know, shane'll be saying this:

Quote:

i can safely say i've never had sex with a gay man.
but i've had sex with a man who has

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 10:18

You got a problem with that? [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 10:27

the only solution to this never ending problem [Updated on: Tue, 17 June 2003 10:30] [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Tue, 17 June 2003 23:54

It takes a lot less time to write a bullshit reply than it does to write technical advice. The way I see it is this, the person is too lazy to do their own research, so they post up a question so that other people can spend that time for them. The search feature is there and is the gateway to a HUGE resource of information. If people are too lazy to use it, then why would the knowledgable people waste their time writing the same thing over and over again. [Report message to a moderator]

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BansheeBuzz wrote on Tue, 17 June 2003 18:41

thats what i mean - all things aside but it would not have been hard for you to direct me there

It would have been even easier for him if you spent a cummulative total of 5 minutes doing some preliminary research. Your question would have been answered.
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Re: go do a search reply?	Wed, 18 June 2003 00:38

you are in a firey mood today GT and, no, it didnt even take me 5mins... 1:41mins to be exact, from starting click to 3 highly specific hits. i love this little guy [Report message to a moderator]

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Wed, 18 June 2003 08:01

THE WITZL wrote on Tue, 17 June 2003 19:31

and now to quote my signature:

"Maybe you are all homosexuals!"

Laughing

and does that make it easier for you to fit in here Doofus?

Laughing

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Re: go do a search reply?	Wed, 18 June 2003 08:14

er..... no! it's simply a quote from the single most influential and intellectual show to have ever graced the screens of channel 10. And he is my FAV. character! P.S. I fit in here no matter what! [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Thu, 19 June 2003 04:00

Hey guys, I do agree with Bansheebuzz. If you don't want to give information to people who ask for it and are sick of see post for help on the same topic Don't answer. just throwing out the "do a search" reply only shows that your reply was not intended to help. I may have not spammed the post as much as some but what information i have learned i am quite happy to pass on time after time as I see no reason to be rude. It would take the same time to point them in the right direction as it would to tell them to go search. If I cannot help I simply don't reply. As most would know I have just done the 18r-c to 18rgeu conversion. It may be easy for most of you guys but for a first timer it wasn't. There are a lot of tech articles and sites about the 1G swaps and so on but for what seems to be seen as an easy conversion feels like it is being left behind as a forgoten issue. I did the searches time after time and for most of the questions I was asking it just didn't help. From what I have seen here on this site since I first stumbled across it is that most people are willing to help out. As is the reason for this sites existence. If you are sick of seeing these repeated posts and questions then can the moderators add a big sign at the top of the tech section asking all people, old and new to do a search before posting any and all questions. making it clear and obvious might stop a few but a "search" will not always help for the finer details that may be needed. Sorry about the long post but this too has irritated me. My final comment I'd like to add most of you should have heard. As your mother always told you. "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all" leave your "do a search" replies to yourself. unless all you are aiming with your reply is to boost your post numbers. Not meaning to insult anyone, just my 2c. [Report message to a moderator]

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Re: go do a search reply?	Thu, 19 June 2003 04:29

Dude, you may have written a long post, and we can see where you're coming from. But if you're not going to read what everyone else has written first, then don't comment. You say you did an 18R-C to 18RGEU swap, and that when you had questions you did a search. What I'm getting from what you wrote is that you didn't find the exact answers as you were looking for. One of the guys previously said its not uncommon for an old post to be dug up, if you're asking for some more clarification than is out there, then say it. But asking a general statement like "How do I put a 1G into a blah?" is only going to annoy the people who have time and time again given up their effort to answer questions like this. If someones got a question, which hasn't already been answered, then thats cool. What the hell is the point of people spending time to answer a question that has already been covered? If you need more clarification, by all means, ask for it, but whats the point of wasting peoples time because you're too lazy (not that you were as you did search Blaze). By all means, dig up an old post if it doesn't quite cover it, but don't waste forum space by making things be told again and again... End rant... [Updated on: Thu, 19 June 2003 04:30] [Report message to a moderator]

Blaze
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Re: go do a search reply?	Fri, 20 June 2003 06:19

before I replied here I did read the other posts. only 4 or 5 where on the topic, the other lot where full of sh*t that had nothing to do with this, or where just Juvenal or just stupid insults. I do understand that it maybe frustrating to see the same questions time after time. but as I come across these "repeats" I either leave it and don't comment or if I can, add some information. Who knows I might find out something from that persons problems that I was not aware of myself. Or I just put a link to another post on the same subject that has an answer to their question. I do not object to people suggesting that the search function be used but if the only thing in the reply is "do a search" it is hard for that not to come across as a bit rude and blunt. Not that I am saying that is was not warranted. When I've Searched for something all over the net, not just here for hours with out luck, and I do put up a post. Most people help, but when someone replies "do a search" and nothing else. Well you can see how irritating and just plain rude that is. As as for your comment about reading other replies before this and the stuff about don't comment. It's like I said before. If you do not have any information or help for a repeat poster.... ...just Don't comment ... and as for digging up old threads. you get shat on for doing that too. [Report message to a moderator]

justcallmefrank
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Re: go do a search reply?	Fri, 20 June 2003 06:21

The only old posts I see people getting shat on for digging up aren't the tech ones, its where someone asks after a year a question about something that was for sale or something! If you have something to ask about a common topic, say that you've had a search, always works for me. [Report message to a moderator]

Sam
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May 2002

Re: go do a search reply?	Fri, 20 June 2003 11:27

I dont mind the "do a search" answer.. it means that someone has answered it before... at least it's better than not replying at all, and having the questioner wonder if nobody knows or something. What I really hate is when people post stuff for sale, and don't post pics, or no instructions on how to get pics, and you get 10,000,001 replies saying "send pics to so and so"... if you don't have pics to put, then say "no pics".. if you do, then why not just post them and save us all the pain of reading through 100 posts saying "send me pics"... [Report message to a moderator]

torque
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May 2003

Re: go do a search reply?	Fri, 20 June 2003 12:35

what really annoys me is peanut butter with oil on top. [Report message to a moderator]

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