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marlowmk2
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Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 03:33 Go to next message
Anybody out there tried this? What intake manifold did you use? Pics?
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I can't answer your questions, but I have a question of my own: WHY?
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 04:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
forum user 'hydro' runs triple carbs on the 7M in his hydroplane, try looking him up
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 04:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Why not put a pushrod ford V8 in an MA61 Very Happy
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 05:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yes, it has been done.
Here is a pic:
http://users.tpg.com.au/users/loats/technical/7mge/images/hydroplane/livewire3.jpg
Read more here.

You would use the bottom half of the 7MGE intake manifold, and weld a plate with DCOE spaced holes to it. The individual runners would need to modified. You would block off the injector holes with 12mm welch plugs. The you would need to buy 3 Webers and tune them and also modify a distributor (put the guts of a 5ME/analogue 5MGE into the 7MGE dizzy). Then you'd need to tune it.

It would actually work out only slightly more expensive going multi throttle body EFI. IMHO, the crispness of response and ease/stability of tune would be worth it.

[Updated on: Thu, 19 June 2003 05:12]

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Re: Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 05:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
SUPRAGTE wrote on Thu, 19 June 2003 14:03

Why not put a pushrod ford V8 in an MA61 Very Happy


And a live axle diff?

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Re: Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 08:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C'mon - not just ANY live axle, a nine incher! Oooh, and don't forget the top loader Evil or Very Mad
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
There's no need for that fella's, Mainly cos he's been kicked off and we can't fire him up anymore. They wont let us have any fun. Sad


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Re: Carbs on a 7M Thu, 19 June 2003 23:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
What GT says is spot on with how to set it up. Also about the fuel injection with individual throttle bodies.

We went for the tripple webers for 2 reasons:

1. Efficiency of airflow (we don't care much about fuel consumption). The original manifold is designed to have a torquey mid-range to drag around a full size sedan. By replacing the manifold with the side drafts the airflow gets a straight shot at the inlet valve.

2. Cost. I bought a set of tripple 45mm webers (with hot 179 & M20) for $1200. I'd love to go efi with individual throttle bodies and aftermarket computer. The reality is that the efi computer would cost me probably $1200 alone, if not more.

Seriously for the street, have a look at Ed ma61's project. Don't run carbies. I only did it for the specific reasons above.

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Re: Carbs on a 7M Fri, 20 June 2003 02:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
well my mind was just thinking things up Smile , i thought it would allow for easier fuel/air adjustment, get rid of the AFM and help simplify the fuel system, plus it would just sound cool Cool any info on the indivudal throttle bodies/EFI project would be nice Very Happy
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Fri, 20 June 2003 03:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
You could acheive all of the above with a standalone fuel/ignition ECU, while retaining the drivability and fuel economy of EFI. Don't be fooled into thinking carbies are easy to tune; a programmable ECU is far easier!
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Fri, 20 June 2003 04:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Setting up the multi throttle body EFI is quite straight forward. Make the manifold as suggested and use original injector position in the manifold, buy some EFI throttle bodies (they are usually in DCOE pattern), buy a stand alone ECU and make the loom as specified (you will use the loom that comes with the stand alone ECU). If you use an ECU that controls both fuel and ignition (as most do nowadays), there is no need to touch your distributor. Then take to dyno and tune. It's a simple process that takes about 2 hours.

[Updated on: Fri, 20 June 2003 07:25]

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Re: Carbs on a 7M Fri, 20 June 2003 07:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
if you decided to tamper with the motor to this degree what chance has the car got of ever returning to road after you cop a defect notice? - if this car is for the street and it is to be legal how are you going to make it legal?
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Fri, 20 June 2003 07:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Obviously, it would take a lot of work.

The plan would be to not cop a defect by not being conspicuous. Multi throttles make rather a lot of induction noise at wide open throttle (as Norbie can testify!) so you really would want to use an air box for the street.
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Fri, 20 June 2003 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah, ya noisy bastard! Of course the 3" side pipe might have had something to do with that. Smile
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Re: Carbs on a 7M Fri, 20 June 2003 23:38 Go to previous message
Er, yes, there is tthe little issue of the side pipe too. Very Happy
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