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4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Sun, 30 June 2002 08:53
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hey guys,
been readin a few articles on hear about the AE86 sprinters. currently running the old 4A-C at the moment, and as everyone is, very dissappointed with it's power output. everyone seems to suggest to put another motor in. i'm just curious to know which would be the best option for me. i've been searchin the trading post for new engines and was glad to find an ad in there for a 4A-GE 100KW imported from japan, complete motor with gearbox computer, wiring harness, drive shafts etc for $750. now i'm new to all this stuff, so i'd be very thankful for any help so i can learn about it, but does all this sound cheap??? would this be everything i need for a conversion??? also would anyone know any information about insurance problems?? (if any) or anything else that i may need to know??? i'm thinking about getting a mechanic friend to help me out with the installation and stuff, so i think labour won't be a part of the price, but how much do u think it will cost me to get the car back running???
i'm also looking at possibly putting a turbo on my A-GE, would this be a wise choice, if so what would i be looking at price wise.
there is aslo another ad in the trading post it's a 4AGE and it says its worked, has big cams, built by Ivan Tighe, and has been rebuilt and only done 700kms. for $2500.
is the the more resonable motor to be buying, or more reasonable price???
also, are these motors fuel injected.
sorry bout the lack of knowledge, help would be much apreciated, cause i really want this to happen.
thanx heaps.
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Toymods Board Member
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Sun, 30 June 2002 09:33
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That 100Kw motor is FWD, so you won't be able to use the g'box & the motor will need a bit of modification to fit RWD. You should get an 88Kw RWD 4A-GE and gearbox, this will be alot easier to fit.
If you want to turbo a 4A though, your best bet is to get a 4A-GZE, a FWD supercharged variant. Use this motor, but get rid of the supercharger, then use the 88Kw head & intake manifold, and whack a turbo on it.
There's many ways you can approach the road to a turbo, go the whole hog from the start, might be cheaper & you won't get a much experience, or start with the RWD 88Kw motor and get the other bits later, and learn a whole lot more along the way.
These forums are a good place to start though, try searching for previous threads on the same topic, there are quite a few of them. Mostly in the old forums.....
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Sun, 30 June 2002 10:58
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thanx heaps for that,
just wondering, what the 88Kw motors are like??? and if you know if i need to do anything about insurance and stuff. what price range do u think i'll be looking at??? are there many around??? and if i have to resort to 100Kw, would i be wasting my time??? like with the mods i'd have to do and the $$$ i'd have to spend.
thanx again. 
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cambo
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Sun, 30 June 2002 11:43
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for the extra power you get from the 100kw version its not worth the hassle. id go the 86kw blue top for now, as its easier and if you want to go turbo sometime the 86kw has the large port head which is what you want for turbo'ing a gze. so yeah go the 86kw, youll be pretty happy with it while you save up the $$$ for a turbo conversion.
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Sun, 30 June 2002 12:08
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yeah???
ok, awesome, thanx. how much would i be looking at for a blue-top or any 86Kw A-GE???? and what u think the chances are of me finding one????
thanx
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Sun, 30 June 2002 12:39
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blue top reffers to the 86kw version which came in fwd and rwd. red top reffers to the 100kw version which only came in fwd. at a rough guess i would say you could pick up a rwd blue top for roughly $800 from a jap wrecker. this would also alow you to use the big port head for a turbo gze in the future (red top 100kw version has small port head less suitable for turbo).
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Mon, 01 July 2002 01:13
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i've called around some jap wreckers and i found a RWD blue top for $850..... done about 40-50 thousand k's. is this reasonable????
it's only the motor, seeing though it's RWD would i have to by any thing else to fit the motor in to work, or will they just straight swap over????? if so, what would i need to buy and do, and how much do u think it'll cost????
he said to me that they are old motors??? is this correct??? or are there new versions??? and is the power affected by it's age???
it's a blue top, 16valve. would it be a twin cam??
sorry bout all the q's i'm just really keen to get this done, thanx for the help 
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Mon, 01 July 2002 10:47
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the blue top FR engine comes out of the AE86,which was built between '83 and '86,so yes,they're pretty old and tired engines now.
as for power loss due to age,you have to expect something. no engine can be 18yrs old,have done over 100k kms(maybe 200) and still be as strong as when new.
don't ever believe what a wrecker says regarding engine kms.
all the imported engines have supposedly "low km" or "40-50k km".
it's crap. they have no idea,and neither do the guys in japan who cut them out about as gently as a boner in an abbatoir.
$800 for a bare long engine with no ecu or accessories is expensive. however,FR version of the engine are starting to get quite rare,so it may be worth buying,and sourcing the other parts you'll need to get it going elsewhere/later on.
Justin...
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Mon, 01 July 2002 11:26
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after you have the engine youll need the ecu as stated, efi fuel pump, bigger lines.. what else i cant remember... you really SHOULD upgrade your brakes at this stage too.
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Mon, 01 July 2002 15:44
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40-50 thousand k's???
You should have laughed in their face (and if you were talking to them over the phone, you should have deffinately laughed out loud!). These motors are almost 20 years old, them saying that tells me all I'd need to know about buying an engine from that place.
Keep ringing 'round, you'll find someone with another one. Probably at a better price, too. Try to get one with all the accessories, it will make things alot easier.
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Mon, 01 July 2002 20:44
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You won't need bigger fuel lines, just replace the rubbery ones with efi line and for a 4age you won't need to upgrade the breaks either it bulls up good enough, although it would nice if u got the money 
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Mon, 01 July 2002 21:08
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hmmm well I never had to put bigger breaks on 
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Re: 4A-GE into AE86 sprinter
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Tue, 02 July 2002 09:14
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| Ribbo wrote on Tue, 02 July 2002 7:08 AM |
hmmm well I never had to put bigger breaks on
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of course not,because your car hasn't been engineered. all you've done is make the engine number legal. the rest isn't approved. if you get pulled over one day,you CAN be fucked over.
Justin...
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