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3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 02:55
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Hello, just wanted to ask the people out there who have done the 3sgte rwd conversion. Did the flywheel fit inside the SA63 bellhousing ok?
I heard sa63 usually has a 225mm plate, whereas the GT4 runs a 236mm.
Thanks
Joel
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 06:07
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the f/wheel you have will fit ok the 1 from me just get a new pressure plate and h/duty clutch disc
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 06:08
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the f/wheel you have will fit ok the 1 from me just get a new pressure plate and h/duty clutch disc and a double spigot bearing
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 06:10
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Can you use a clutch plate and pressure plate from a GT4 or are they the wrong spline/size? Also, whats a double spigot bearing?
Many thanks!
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 06:19
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joel you will have 2 get a duel race spigot for the box to fit and no you cant use the gt 4 but have a look and see if the pressure plate wuill fit or ask shane aker COOL 1
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 06:45
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Dual race bearing:
Normal single race ball bearing:
Here is a very basic catalogue of single race bearings.
http://www.qgbearings.com/nbearings/21.htm
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 07:27
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Cool1 seems to think SA63 clutch as well... Not sure how thats going to work as SA63 in the clutch catalog has a 20teeth input shaft, where the W55/7/8 has a 21teeth. Maybe the clutch catalog is wrong.
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 07:29
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Why dont you just go to a clutch shop and tell them exactly what you have and what you want to do.
They are the experts.
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 11:31
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I've been talking to a clutch shop about it, but the problem is they only know models of cars, not gearboxes..
So I can't say to them I need a clutch that fits a 3SGTE engine and W55 gearbox. They need me to say a GT4 engine and a eg. SA63 gearbox. So thats where we've become stuck.
I need to either find the spline teeth and od, or tell them the car the gearbox is out of.. They say the SA63 celica has 20 teeth on the spline, most other sources say the W55 has 21 teeth... So without pulling my gearbox out of the car and counting the splines im a bit stuck.
Pretty confident it is 21 teeth, which means a SA63 clutch doesn't fit. But might mean the GT4 clutch will (assuming it fits inside the bellhousing), which if you go off SA63 measurements it wont.
Anyone else out there know what configuration is needed?
Many thanks
Joel
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 11:42
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Well as far as I know, Glenn is using an SA63 clutch.
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 13:47
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I have just passed this problem with my rwd 3s conversion
i used -
st185 engine
2s bellhousing from a sa63
w58 supra box
original clutch and flywheel bolted up with no hassle, just added a spigot bearing
i did have to make a small spacer for the starter motor as it sat too close to the flywheel, a fwd flywheel naturally sits a little closer to the block (by 2mm or so)
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 24 June 2003 23:15
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Ok cool, if I know the GT4 clutch fits, I can take all the measurements off that! So it fitted inside the bellhousing with no probs?
Cheers
Joel
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Thu, 26 June 2003 07:09
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got it going yet gabe hows the clutch going also joel try 21r or 18r pressure plate and clutch disc ra60 model as well they all have the supra box and all have the same spline
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Sun, 13 July 2003 03:01
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Ok I have just confirmed that the GT4 pressure plate wont fit on Glenn's flywheel, however the clutch plate is a perfect fit.
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Sun, 13 July 2003 06:49
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Yeah seems the pressure plate needs to be 225mm I think, or 9 inch.
I've found a nice disc that excedy make has like 8 pads or so.. Meant to be bit easier to drive than a brass button clutch.
I',m thinking that then a extra heavy duty pressure plate.
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Sun, 13 July 2003 06:54
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so joel. are you going to run with a 2s bellhousing or custom??
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Mon, 14 July 2003 02:44
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2S bellhousing it'll be. I've already got that along with a 2s sump and oil pickup.
Cheers
Joel
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Mon, 26 July 2004 12:14
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Just to help people later on, I'm using a 2S bellhousing, Glens flywheel and a SA63 clutch.
All fits together perfect.
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Re: 3sgte rwd conversion - flywheel question
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Tue, 27 July 2004 02:53
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My setup was similar to Gabes. I used a 2S bellhousing onto an MR2T block. I used a custom alloy flywheel but it was machined to a stock 3SGTE spec and used the 3SGTE ring gear. Like gabe i used a spacer to move the starter out (starter was from an 18R). I just used a stock Toyota spigot. I used a W55 box.
What i did find though was i had to machine up a custom carrier for the thrust bearing as i didn't have the travlel required. There are other ways to get around this but that looked easiest at the time. Works a treat.
Anyone who wants to see the beast in action should head down to wakefield Park on the 9th August
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