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21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 04:54
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i want to keep the engine but i would like a bit of grunt, like last night i got beaten by a rav4  its a 2 litre carby and if enough money is spent i could get it doing 12 sec 1/4 mile times but that will be like 20 grand, i just want to know any suggestions or ideas where to start what will have the most increase by doing what to this engine i wouldn;t want to spend any more than 4 grand. i know it seems a waste of time cause i can get a 1ggte for the same price but for some reason i want to keep my ra60 in orignal form ( well the same engine at least! ) am i dreaming or not?
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near chris and murray vic
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July 2002
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 05:39
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u could get some power out of it by going turbo if you HAVE to keep the same engine, but you'd probably be better getting something with 2 cams...
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Gold Coast
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October 2002
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 06:00
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how similar are the 21r and 22r? in the US they have huge hp number 22r's maybe you could look there for inspiration.
Daniel
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brisbane
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March 2003
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 06:16
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all the 21r and 22r parts are rpeddy much the same.. the crank are interchangable and also the conrods and you can put the 22r head ont he 21r block.. you can get twin webber kits for both these engines
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 06:38
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yeah ive heard of this, how much increase in power is availible from these kits? does anyone have any idea where i could get them from or start looking? thanks for your thoughts if u have any more keep them coming!
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Perth
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May 2002
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 10:10
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Some dude spent about $10k on turboing a 21R-C and he ended up selling it on ebay. Speaking to him after, he thought it was one of the stupider things he had done.
It will cost you less money, you'll have a much more drivable, fuel efficient and drivable result if you spent that money on a 1GGTE conversion!
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 11:46
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theres no way im going to turbo a carby, it wears the engine in 500 km unless u spend 10 grand with ecu's and variable cam timeing and whatnot. id leave it normally aspirated but persoanlly i dont see the restrictions on a 21r-c, 2 litres, lots of room for improvement, i guess i just want to try soometing people are going to scoff at and something thats different and i am personally quite happy with the power of my 21rc now for what it is, id just love a fair bit more power, it will beat stock lancers and mirages cause i work at mitsubishi and im surprised how fast that engine is for the age and what it is compared to todays slightly smaller but efied engines in todays cars. i guess its just keeping the car purely a ra60 celica, to me chanigng the engine is changing half the car and i can only say the body is a ra60. i guess its just trying something diffrent and when you think about it there is nothing stopping a 21rc from being just as powerful as any other 2 litre engine. the only thing that makes an engine go faster is more air or more compressed air, the car will compensate the correct fuel ratio to the air automatically.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 11:49
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sorry i am a fair bit drunk tonight and i apologise for the boredom that last message might of created for anyone. 
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 11:52
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You're saying you want 220hp NA from a 21R-C, which redlines at 5500rpm stock and makes a storming 90hp...
I'm sorry, but that ain't going to happen. Thats more power than a Beams 3SGE.
The 21R-C is not a performance engine, and barely endows the car with the power to beat anything. Don't watse your money on it dude, "there is no point in polishing a turd"...and YES, it IS a turd.
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 11:54
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| RA60_Celica wrote on Sun, 06 July 2003 21:46 |
......when you think about it there is nothing stopping a 21rc from being just as powerful as any other 2 litre engine....
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Actually, there's a lot in the way of the 21R-C ever becoming a 100 hp/litre engine.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 11:56
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yeah sorry i was getting a bit too excited about a shit engine! i might as well just bite the bullet and get a 1ggte, thanks for bringing me back down to earth everyone, what engine have u got in your raxx frank?
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 12:05
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My RA60 has a 21R-C and is going to stay that way. Its not a performance engine, but it is reliable! So therefore its role is purely transport.
The GA61 is soon to receive a 1GGTEU.
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Brisbane
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February 2003
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Sun, 06 July 2003 12:08
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well thankyou all for your advice. we shall see what happens! good night everybody i have to start work at 4 in the morning.
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brisbane
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March 2003
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Re: 21RC - goal - 220 hp believeble? what can be done?
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Tue, 08 July 2003 09:08
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thre is a place in america that specialises it... i have the web site here it is www.lcengineering.com maybe that might give you some tips
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