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strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 00:45
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I'm wondering if yall could tell me the smallest most fuel economic egine that will bolt directly into a ta22 which currently has a 1982 T-50 gearboix and 1982 3T motor? even 1.3litre motor's. BUT must be able to bolt straight in, with absolute minimal mods. Or is and efi intake manifold a viable option for the 3T.
just looknig for the cheapest way to make her go, as will be driving over 400km a week just for collage, plus going up the coast and other things probably 500-800km a week!
i want to keep her but don't want to spend big bucks on fuel.
thanks if anyone knows what bolts in ta22 and onto the T-50,
Cheers all,
Alex
ps, please don't say - sell it and buy a diahatsu or somethin, even a list of all motor's that will bolt up to a t-50 and fit in a ta22 , i.e. 18r's 20r's, 2T etc
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 01:08
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2T-GEU
its EFI run it with aftermarket management and tune it to be fuel efficient
it will also bolt in but u will need to wire stuff up
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Location:
Caboolture QLD
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June 2003
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 01:11
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um "aftermarket management" like a $1000 dollar system? if so i can't do that, can it be piggybacked cheap?
the inake manifold and ecu of a 2T-GEU should be a bolton for my 3T? no?
thanks
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c'town, NSW
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May 2002
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Mon, 07 July 2003 01:17
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| Alex_B wrote on Mon, 07 July 2003 11:11 |
um "aftermarket management" like a $1000 dollar system?
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talk to HKSPete he can tell u about the joys of delco
and finding a factory 2T-GEU ECU is quite rare nowadays too
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Caboolture QLD
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June 2003
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 01:23
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hehehe, may i ask what delco is? i'll pm HKSPete after typing this,
is there any 4a-ge's old 83-85? that bolton to t50's around in aus? are they economic?
cheers mate,
Alex
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adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 01:25
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dude yer not going to have to spend $1000 on a fuel only ecu... mate there cheap and u may even be able to find a second hand one... but no where neer $1000
shane
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Caboolture QLD
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June 2003
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adelaide
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May 2003
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 01:50
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i have no idea what delco is (im not one that knows much about efi and ecu's) but im guessing its a piggyback the way its written... yeah yer right on the ball on the price tho.
i was thinking more along the lines of using a haltec, this should do the job, and it is not that expensive a few $100 or so
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was adelaide now newcastle
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February 2003
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Mon, 07 July 2003 02:12
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a delco is the factory computer used on most of GM's products ie camiras, vn- commodores, daiwoo's etc, but if your after economy why not just get an lpg system?
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Perth
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November 2002
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Adelaide
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May 2002
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 07:23
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dunno if it bolts in, but this may be a use for the much frowned upon 4A-C??
I can get over 540 Km out of a 50l tank in my AE82 on the open road...
Craig.
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On Probation
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North East NSW
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December 2002
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 11:38
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i once saw a ta22 on the internet, the guy had stolen the 2t out of it and put it in his KE30 corolla, and put the stock 3K back into the ta22 for his girlfriend to drive
as you do 
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Kita-Ku, Sapporo, Japan
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January 2003
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 12:36
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i'd vote for a 4AC. easy to chuck in, good economy and you can pick them up dirt cheap after 4AG conversions... sometimes free!
Cya, Stewart
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Mon, 07 July 2003 23:01
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I can't see the point of replacing a carby engine with another carby engine... if you're going to the trouble of an engine swap, you might as well get something with EFI!
Frankly I'd stick with the 2T/3T, they're quite good on fuel if in good condition. Get your carby rebuilt, make sure the ignition system is in good working order, and it will be sweet. I used to get 600km per tank in my TA22 (highway driving).
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Caboolture QLD
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June 2003
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Mon, 07 July 2003 23:43
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sweet 600km? the carby rebuild cost? is it DIYable. was told it's better to buy another carby in good order rather than rebuiling the current one?
Would Love EFi but nothing will boltin very cheaply, are the early rwd 4age's efi? will they go.
surely someone would know the cost on a rebuild kit for 2T/3T's? would uping the compression give me better economy? or would this cost me more than it's worth? is it possible to use piston and rods from other engines to get higher compression? other than shaving the head,
cheers guys ->thinking i'll keep her know, just need some economy with the same or more power. found the 2T-G carby engines use hella'lot'of fuel are the efi version's a big jump?
Alex
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Location:
Caboolture QLD
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June 2003
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Tue, 08 July 2003 02:32
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Rebuilding an engine and/or upgrading the internals is going to cost you a lot of money, especially if you can't DIY (and it sounds like you can't). The way I see it, you have two sensible options if you're on a limited budget:
1. Keep your existing engine and tune the fuel and ignition system to factory specs.
2. Swap in a 2T-GEU with factory EFI.
The latter is the preferred option IMO, but it will cost more and involve a bit more work. It's also becoming harder to find 2T-GEU's with EFI still attached, but they do exist. On the up side, they're very fuel efficient and have more power than the 2T or 3T.
Forget the 4A-GE, it's not much better than the 2T-GEU and it's a lot more screwing around since it's not a bolt-in conversion. The 3S-GE will cost $$$ because you either have to convert a FWD engine to RWD (expensive) or buy a late-model Altezza engine (REAL expensive).
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Finland
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November 2002
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Tue, 08 July 2003 14:24
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1. Keep your existing engine and tune the fuel and ignition system to factory specs.
2. Swap in a 2T-GEU with factory EFI.
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3. Get 1C diesel. My CE-70 ate 6L/100km
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Brisbane
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May 2002
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Tue, 08 July 2003 23:46
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Now there's a thought. LOL!
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Caboolture QLD
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June 2003
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Wed, 09 July 2003 00:13
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whoo 68hp of goodness, but i would have to go a 2S but that would be fwd? no? would this need screwing around with engineers cert, plates etc?
Cheers,
Alex
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I supported Toymods
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Perth
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May 2002
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Wed, 09 July 2003 00:23
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2S is RWD, comes in SA63 Celica...but its hardly a powerhouse.
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Caboolture QLD
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June 2003
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Wed, 09 July 2003 00:32
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whoops, i meant 2C that's if i was to go deisel, but i think i'm best to stay with the 3T and get her tuned,
Cheers all,
Alex
Ps. i'll gonna get motorbike license and a bike, derr  and use that for long distance commuting, and put in a 1UZ-FE in about two years or so 
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Location:
Colac, Victoria
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May 2002
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 08:08
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Norbies right ( as on a very regular basis - listen to the norbie!) - Stick with the 2t - and freshen up the carby -
I used to get at least 500KM out of a tank when i was a poor uni student - driving that distance + a week easy - and all that went wrong with the 2t was it blew a coil resistor .. simple to fix !
they are cheap reliable and gusty enough to have a play with if you want now and then ..
a rebuild for one of those carbs by memory set me back about 100 dollars ..
if you want a similar mechanical carby cheap option , i have a 32dir weber here in my shed + the manifold that you could use on the 2t . They are about the same size as the factory aisan carby - but all mechanical - nothing vaccum driven .. ( oh and it comes with the added weber sound 
to convert your car to another motor is uneccesary $$'s to spend - save your $$'s and stick with the 2t until you have a bit more income ~
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Caboolture QLD
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June 2003
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Re: strange Q? Smaller egine?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 09:21
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cheers norbie, classique71 i'd love to get another carby+intake mani as the automatic choke on mine is broken  and i don't like all the bodgieness the rest of the car has, prolly same with carb, check your PM
cheers all,
Alex
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