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HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 03:56 Go to next message
Hey Guys i just got my new supra and well its blown a dif already i think! By the looks its a HKS stage 1-2 Mk3 supra jza70 and late last night i got a couple of slowing down groans then some clunks a little later and then today it wouldn't move just some grinding noises! can some one confirm that its the dif? and if so what needs replacing?? the whole center or can i pick up the gears? And where from? what price and which would u recomend?

HELP URGENTLY PLEASE!! i haven't even drivin the car for a full day and its blown a dif... f*&% its fast.

-Leigh

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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 04:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Number one, what is HKS Stage 1 2?

Number two can you try and puch the car with it in neut? The dockies might have done a great big dirty burnout. I would be taking the car back to how you brought it off if it's a car yard or importer.

I have seen some torsen diffs floating around for around $500-800 range. When a torsen goes it REALLY goes!
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 04:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Stage 1 or 2 sorry. not sure which as i'll be stuffed if i've found out what either entails. Tho i have an old dyno sheet there showing 250hp at the wheels, not sure what psi that was at tho i know the evc's LOW setting is letting around 14psi through.

the car was a privet sale so no luck there.

Where can i find one of these torsen dif's from? or were you talking about second hand ones you'd seen?

How well do the stock diffs hold? I need to do some more research! Embarassed
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Leigh, bad luck. Hard to know but probably. I presume the noises came from the back of the car rather than right beside you (ie diff rather than gearbox)?.
Put the car in neutral and jack up the car. Release handbrake. Ordinarily the rear wheels should just freewheel (LSD should turn the same direction, non LSD only one will spin or they will turn in different directions, Torsens NFI).
The wheels should turn smoothly and quietly. Locking or grinding is a big no no. Obviously have a bit of a look around and see what else is going on.
A genuine JZA70 should have a Torsen LSD. I'd start ringing some import wreckers for some prices. The Mk3 guys will have a better idea of what something like this might cost.

EDIT:Wastegate beat me!

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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 04:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Def sounded like the rear. at first the passanger thought there was something rolling around in the boot (the clucks that is) and then maybe catching the rear skirt on the ground. so yeah its the rear end somewhere. I'll jack it up quickly tonight when i move it back home and tomorrow it goes into the mechanic (next door as it so happens!) to get checked and hopefully fixed.

Don't spose any one on here would have one for sale?

BTW its a G series dif yeah? will the 3.54 gears mentioned in the hilux dif GB fit? and will replacing just the gears fix it? Prolly hard to tell from there but estimates?

Thanx too BTW guys!
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 05:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If it's a true JZA70 you will have the 4.11 Torsen in it at the moment and have a few options, you can just hunt down another torsen jza70 diff and put that in or get a normal clutch type diff from a MA70 (7M) or GA70 (1G) Supra for abit cheaper. The hilux LSD's are clutch type and yeah you should be able to swap the centres.
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 05:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andrew Vibert from CVAP (sponsor) in Shepparton has complete rear ends with clutch style LSDs for $440. This will get you out of a spot of bother.
Rebuilding your Torsen may be very exxy depending on what has blown. Crown wheel and pinion is easy enough, but I suspect the little worm gears in the guts are Toyota specific - ring Toyota and remain seated at all times.

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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 05:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hmmm... sounds like a plan tho i would like to retain the torsen setup. i'll mention it all to my mech tomorrow
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
The Torsen LSD should act like an open diff with the wheels in the air from memory.
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Wed, 09 July 2003 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Andrew posted not long ago that he had a JZA70 rear end.
Where are you working Leigh? I will call past and have a look.

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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Thu, 10 July 2003 03:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I'm actualy workin at the wave pool cas, just a student atm. tho if u wanna come by check it out gimmie a call on: 0428 212370 best after 5 today if u do other wise friday and sunday i'm free. Is this andrew in mildy or outa town? what was he after?
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Thu, 10 July 2003 03:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
definately recommend CVAP ring them up!
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Thu, 10 July 2003 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If it's the std diff in the JZA-70 it will say in the makers badging (under the bonnet, drivers side firewall) what diff/transaxle is in it - such as G299, G285 etc. (I think the Torsen is G299) Refer wwww.supras.nl to convert the code into the diff specs. From memory G is the 8 inch series, and the last number indicates type ie 5 is LSD, (9 is Torsen?).

Adelaide Jap wreckers did have JZA-70 diffs for sale (according to their website - wwww.adelaidejap.com.au.) A std LSD was $750 and the Torsen was $1200.

Good Luck,

Caelum

PS Since you have had the car only 1 day - how did the diff go? Were you "just driving along" (famous words from my brother when his Corolla diff "just went bang!" Laughing )... Or would there be some black marks around Mildura ??? Rolling Eyes
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 03:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
F*&% thats a bit more then i hoped! might get one from cvap, see what they have.

i was actualy just driving when it went but the night before i had done one wennie burn out, a bit by accident... Smile so yes and no...
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 06:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Just talked to CVAP both the jza-70 rear end have been sold, anyone know of any other reputible stockers?

gonna call ad jap, but i really don wanna pay over twice the price that CVAP were selling for.
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 06:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
There's a shifty import wrecking yard in Coolaroo....you could try them. I'll try and find the phone number.

EDIT:Melbourne All Toya Wreckers
114 Maffra St Coolaroo 3048 (03) 9309 3333
Fax (03) 9302 2178
Email: alltoya@bigpond.com.au

They're not too bad, but they won't be as good as CVAP.

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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 06:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Talkin (ish) to a guy at toyrolla toyota parts, he has a ma70 one for sale, but he says he doesn't think there is any differnce between any of the MA70 ones, is this true ie all lsd? he thinks it maybe off an NA,

anyone?
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 06:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If it's LSD, it'll fit. But it won't be a Torsen if it's out of an MA70.
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 06:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thing is he doesn't know if its lsd! Confused they ob had no lsd rear ends in the 70's yeah? so i could end up with a non-lsd? is there any way he could check it?
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Just talked to a local guy Jason Calapari (spelling?) looks like he might be able to get me one, finding out tomorrow, altho if any one hears of one before i say "its here!" LMK ASAP! Very Happy

thanx again guys!
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 06:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
They did have LSD's in the MA70 cars (coz I have one!). If it's off a NA Manual car (as mine was) it's probably a 4.3:1 LSD (non-Torsen).
If he still has the shell it came from he could check the makers plates as mentioned above, or open in up[ and have a look. I'm pretty sure most MA70 auto's are non-LSD but don't quote me on that. If it's cheap and gets you mobile again in the time you need, than you can always find a Torsen diff later on.

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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 06:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
If it is an MA70 and turbo it will definately be lsd.
Mates NA ma70 (87 i think) manual is also lsd.
Hope that helps.
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Fri, 11 July 2003 07:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Thanx guys i'll keep it in mind if jason can't get one, Still hoping he'll come throught with a torsen Smile
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Re: HELP URG! jza70 dif blown? Tue, 15 July 2003 10:21 Go to previous message
THANX GUYS! jas found me one, it goes tomorrow! Cost 770

THANX AGAIN!
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