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Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 04:38
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What are peoples opinions and thoughts on Wilwood calipers? Anyone used them?
Tell me what you think.
Thanks
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 05:50
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They are quite cheap. You get what you pay for. I suggest you take a look at the construction of all these aftermarket calipers.
You are aware you can get new Mk4 Supra calipers for about 8-900 a pair via the USA? Have a chat to 'humble'.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 08:29
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Yes the wilwood calipers are really cheap thats why I was looking at them.
I'm really open to what ever calipers I can get for a good price that will fit but this is the problem, I cant find any. I'm wanting to use a 320x32mm rotor under a 16inch rim.
What should I speak to humble about?
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 08:31
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He bought brand spankers 4-piston Supra calipers from a Toyota site on the net. I can't find the address at the moment, but he'll be able to help you out, they were quite reasonable for what they are.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 08:36
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Will they fit under 16's?
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 08:37
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Not sure, they might come close depending on the wheel...
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 08:38
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what would be a good price to pay for a set of 4 piston superlites with 2 sets of pagid street pads and 1 set of race pads(new) with tagged and braided lines and a bracing kit??
per say?? 
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 08:39
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Were you the one that PM'ed me about these a while ago?
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 10:55
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yeah....they are taking up way too much space in my garage at home. they have to go 
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 11:04
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So what do other people think of the wilwood calipers?
They look pretty tough 
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 11:07
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People always bag them out, but exactly how shit are they? What are they worth? Surely they'd have to be an improvement over most factory gear (hardcore Brembo and Supra shit excluded).
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 11:17
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wilwood are good. we use them on the back of our national sport sedan that does 300km+ so they do the job. we uses alcon 6 spot on the front. you would be mad to use a factory supra caliper if you can afford wilwood billet calipers. even most factory brembo are cast alloy. the smaller wilood 4 spots are around the $450 each and the big 4 spot is about $950. i can sell you a set of very large 4 spot alcons that cam of the front of one of the super tourers for $1500 a pair but you need atleast 18inch rims to fit them.
mick
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 11:27
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So which wilwood calipers do you use mick?
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:23
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shane, good luck trying to fit 320mm rotors under 16" wheels with even the lowest profile caliper.
the holotype r (which has a very large internal diameter), even with a MASSIVE ford backspacing (pushing the caliper to the innner rim edge - hwre the inner dia is greatest), when used with the st205 calipers (which are reasonably low profile - they add apprx 24mm i think), there is only ~3mm clearance when mounted on a 310mm rotor...
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:35
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This is just a few questions...
What exactly is the weight of the TA22 going to be when its finished?
What exactly are you planning to use it for?
Does such a light car need such a large rotor to stop?
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:39
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Its all about the looks
Plus from all the researching I have been doing the last couple of days, It doesnt matter what size rotors I go the price of the package will be pretty much the same. So I might as well go as big as possible.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:41
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True that, but once you get over the 300mm mark, the price of the rotors themselves seems to get much higher.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:46
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And another reason I want to use the 320x32mm rotor is it comes in an offset that I can use which means I dont have to use 2 piece items in turn saving me big dollars.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:47
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Would you like a side-order of 17" rims with that?
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:51
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Well if GT can fit 330mm rotors and AP calipers under 16's I should be ok with 320mm rotors.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:52
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True, but his AP Racing calipers are REEEEALLY slim, and he has a bee's dick of room.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:53
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AP's are MEGA low profile calipers
wilwood less so
st205 much less so
fwiw, st205 and mkiv calipers seem almost identical, and humbles mkiv brake setup would not fit under a 16"
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:53
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The Wilwood calipers are just as slim
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:56
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either way, its going to be **tight** with a 16" wheel. so dont comit yourself to either brakes or wheels untill you have the other fitted, and know exactly how much room you have
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 13:59
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| ed_ma61 wrote on Wed, 09 July 2003 23:56 |
either way, its going to be **tight** with a 16" wheel. so dont comit yourself to either brakes or wheels untill you have the other fitted, and know exactly how much room you have
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Yeah thats why I have been tearing my hair out, I'm making doubly sure the brakes fit under 16's.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 14:00
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What particular brakes are these that have the perfect offset you are after?
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 14:02
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Mitsubishi Evolution Of course
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 14:06
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Whats perfect about the offset on those?
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 14:11
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Its perfect because the maximum hight of rotor I could use would be 44mm and if I go less than 35mm the caliper would start getting close to the mag "spokes"
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 14:11
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honestly...
from my experience, all the maths in the world cant beat owning, fabricationg and dummy fitting the rotor and caliper, then going to a warehouse and trial fitting a series of wheels.
theoretical guesitmates can never seem to reproduce manufacturing tolerances, clearances etc, and the space your dealing with on this one, is SMALL
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 16:03
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at the risk of jumping in to a conversation on a topic i know nothing about, i have an option for shane.
i have an article on a bloke who fitted vn commodore struts into his ta22. the 3 holes on top of the strut tower are within 3 mm to a commodore so all that is needed is a little file out. the strut needs to be shortened a little and an adapter needs to be made to accept the commodore strut to the celica ball joint.
upsides - much larger stub axle for strength, the same celica inserts can be used so if you have flash suspension u can keep it, 5 stud pattern, any commodore rotor size you want and they are heaps cheaper cause they are so common and my wilwoods will accept a 330mm rotor perfectly!!
downsides - small amount of machining and the track is increased a total of 15mm (apparently). but if you were doing a hilux diff upgrade it will put the track of the front wheels just about spot on with the rear. oh and commodore struts are a little heavier.
now i await the stampede of people disputing the crud i have just regurgitated
cheers
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 21:03
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With the 320mm EVO discs you can still machine the diameter down to 310mm or 300mm to clear the wheel.
They are bloody heavy discs though!! Alot of unsprung weight on a light car!!
What about S2000 discs?? 300x25 40mm offset?!?!?
my 2c
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 22:09
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Wilwoods will be OK, but they wouldn't be my first choice. There's a couple hundred dollars difference between them and the APs - in the scheme of a big dollar brake upgrade....
Wilwood are found on almost all NASCAR racers in the US.
I agree with E30 though....330 mm rotors are pretty big for a 1000 kg car. The rotors alone will weigh upwards of 6 kg for 2 piece, and around 8-9kg for a single piece, and you'll probably be doubling the weight of your calipers. I can't imagine this being in any way good for the handling of your car.
You're no doubt aware that IDB here in Richmond do 4 spot brake kits for the TA22 - I think they use the RX7 Sumitomo(?) calipers.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Wed, 09 July 2003 23:57
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Thanks for that E30, I never even saw the S2000 rotors on the DBA database.
Ok so now I have found a new rotor to use I have to find a caliper. How common are the WRX calipers or should I just get the wilwood calipers still 
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Thu, 10 July 2003 00:13
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Have a check but I was looking at Wilwoods a while ago but found out they can't be engineered or legal for the road, don't quote me but best to ask an engineer or someone that would know. They are fine for off road though. I think it was something to do with ADRs as they never came on a car stock therefore have not gone though ADRs but other brakes like Brembo, AP etc have come on cars stock. As I said it was awhile ago so best to check up on it.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Thu, 10 July 2003 01:04
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I'd go with some S6 RX-7 ones (just need to pull them apart and add a spacer for the extra disc thickness.)
WRX calipers would be a good fit as WRX discs are 24mm thick.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Thu, 10 July 2003 02:05
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I have no idea what to do. I have made a few phone calls and for what people are selling WRX, mazda and nissan calipers for I can get brand new wilwood calipers.
I'll have to ring my engineer to see if the wilwood calipers can be used on a street car.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Thu, 10 July 2003 06:43
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That's interesting. I use 330mm rotors and some AP 4 spot calipers (there is of course more than one model) and had to use 17s.
No big deal really, just went a little lower of the tire profile........
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Thu, 10 July 2003 07:04
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all i know is that lots of japanese guys use willwood caliper+rotor kits for their ae86's
then again theres not much weight to stop on an ae86
and they have far less unsprung weight = good
so i guesss they would do the job on a light car
and always always always.... RACE NOT RICE
dont get something just for looks if its gunna make your car shit
we will just call you a riceboy, coz effectivly its not much better than clear lenses and body kits. . .
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Thu, 10 July 2003 08:12
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not doing this just to try and make the car look good. I'm doing this because I want a brake upgrade, but also make sure the package looks professional.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Thu, 10 July 2003 15:50
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if i remember correctly, the seal that they use is a round cross-section o-ring, not a square one and it will need to be replaced in about 1/4 or 1/3 of the usual time/usage.
no problem on a race car - PITA on what's really a daily driver.
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Re: Wilwood Brake Calipers
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Thu, 10 July 2003 23:02
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Hmmmm...I also need to look at whatever options there are as regards brakes. I took the Cressida over to Wakefield a few weeks back for one of their open practice days and had a few runs. Suffice it to say that the stock brakes (and supension, for that matter) were the "weak" links in the setup...
First run: Absolute crap, as I'd never been on the track before, and had no idea about where turn-ins were etc.
Second run, had a nice dual with a V12 E-Type Jag (Now that thing sounded nice thru the 4 pipes sticking out the back!  Only got slowed up by, of all things, a JZA80 Supra (in all fairness, the bloke had only just come onto the track and was "getting his bearings"...Still, must have been funny to see a Cressida drive around a Supra...
Third run, got a nice few laps in, then brakes started to get spongy, and I had a bloke in an AU 6-pack Falcon shadowing me through the corners. (Of course, I drove away from it down the straight bits!  )
Anyway, moral is: I need better brakes! So who can help with some info on options for a decent upgrade for this thing?
Come on guys...Anything that will do the job, and allow me to retain my (17") rims etc...
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