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Re: FWD Celicas - 1986 onwards info
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Thu, 10 July 2003 04:26
 
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ST162 has a 3S-GE
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Thu, 10 July 2003 04:35
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1.8 or 2 ?
EFI or carb ?
excuse the ignorance !! 
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Thu, 10 July 2003 04:49
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3S-GE
2litre
twin cam
EFI
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Thu, 10 July 2003 05:04
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Did these engines change much !? up to the TWIN CAM sticker celicas ? i.e. new ones ?
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Thu, 10 July 2003 05:07
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my knowledge on FWD celicas is sketchy
ST162 3S-GE
ST182 3S-GE and 5S-FE (2.2lite, narrow economical head and overall sad engine)
ST202 5S-FE
as far as the 3S-GE goes there were some generational changes that'll be better explained by someone who knows better 
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Thu, 10 July 2003 06:14
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quote - overall sad engine hahahahahahahahah !!!
how much do they sell for ? i have seen some in pretty good condition !
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Thu, 10 July 2003 06:15
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sorry Les i have no idea, im drowning here, i would have thought an ST celica enthusiast would have chimed in by now 
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Thu, 10 July 2003 09:36
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No worries - u the man !!
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Re: Pics and engine info for FWD Celicas - 1986 +
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Thu, 10 July 2003 15:35
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Ok Rob_RA40 I'll give it a shot.
When you say How much do they sell for, do you mean the Engine or Whole Car????
ST162 SX has 3S-GE, 2L Twin Cam 16 EFI (~135hp standard)
ST162 ST has 3S-FE, 2L Twin Cam 16 EFI (just a lot less power due to camry engine ~97hp Standard)
ST184 SX has 5S-FE, 2.2L Twin Cam 16 EFI (Still Camry engine)
Not sure if ST18x series came with 3S-GE engines. Don't think they did but I could be wrong.
Don't know too much about them, Know more about the ST16x series.
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Thu, 10 July 2003 22:40
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To buy whole i meant, sorry .. decent condition with good paint and interior etc ?
So Aussie vs USA
thus ST = GT
SL = ST
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Fri, 11 July 2003 01:53
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ST = GT (3S-FE)
SX = GT-S (3S-GE)
the australian, 5th and 6th generation celicas didnt have a
3S-GE, only the 4th gen (ST162)
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Fri, 11 July 2003 06:18
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Thats what I thought, thanks Scott. The Later gen 3S-GE only came in the MR2. 
Les,
For a decent ST162 SX you can probably look around the $5000 mark for an 86' up to about $8000 tops for an 88/89'. If I was you I would steer clear of the ST model. Stick with the SX model.
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Fri, 11 July 2003 06:32
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yeah don't buy an ST, they suck. They are slow and almost have a 'downgraded' feel about them. and don't even think about a 184, they are disasters performance wise sorry to anyone who has one, but my mate's wife has one, and although the suspension on it is nice, it is very slow.
I bought my car for 5k (June 88 SX 3SGE) with a few minor problems, but have been overall very happy. That was a very good price too.
see my signature for a list of the kind of features you can expect.
Rob
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Re: Pics and engine info for FWD Celicas - 1986 +
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Fri, 11 July 2003 12:49
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ST's have only 4 stud wheels also, SX's, 5
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Fri, 11 July 2003 13:00
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thats nice bout the wheel patterns hehehe 
ummm is there any aesthetic differences with the 86 and 88 sx twincams ?
there dont seem to be many 88 model ones for sale.
engines are the same ?
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Fri, 11 July 2003 13:13
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ok from my limited experience, the engines are slightly different. I don't know about performance wise, but there are some ways you can tell the differences (aside from the plates)
The 86 and some 87 models have the oxygen sensor located just after or on the exhaust manifold, on 88 models it is about level with the firewall on the exhaust system. The cat is also on the vertical part of the engine pipe on the earlier setup, whereas on the 88s (mine) it is about level with the driver's seat.
The 88 model ones also have slighly different front grill. Look at my pix again on my signature. they have several thin horizontal slits on the grill. The earlier models have a sligtly different setup like Wiso's
http://homepage.mac.com/andrewlincolne/.Pictures/P hoto%20Album%20Pictures/2003-07-07%2000.32.11%20-0 700/Image-8B7A120CB04B11D7.jpg
I don't know the delivery dates of the various renditions I am sorry, but it gives you an idea of some of the differences. I don't know if there is any difference in the performance of the various years of the 3SGEs. If you were looking to stick a 3sgte in though I guess it isn't vitally important what engine is in the one you buy. The 3SGE is a very tough reliable engine with some decent performance. I like it a lot.
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Fri, 11 July 2003 13:53
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ok apart from the grills, any other differences ? i.e. interior.. and overall shape etc ?
and let me guess the sx come with 4 discs and st's 2 disc 2 drums ?
what kind of cars do they compare with on the straight ? or are they not exceptionally quick cars in stock form ?
just want some sort of comparo..how quick are they ? what kinda cars do they keep up with ?
and maintenance wise... pretty sweet ?
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Fri, 11 July 2003 23:17
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you're really testing me out here Les I think you are right about the brakes. If I am wrong in any of this correct me somebody!
according to some of the guys here at toymods, the figures for a factory SX are high 8 seconds 0 - 100. That is what I would get with a relatively hard start.
Fuel, I get in the city about 10 litres per 100 kilometers, and I drive it hard.
On the free way it is like 7.5 litres per 100.
Maintainance. Parts are easy to get, and quite cheap, the engine bay is relatively accessible for a FWD 16 valve (much more room than a corolla, but not as much as some larger RWD cars)
Who do I beat? I don't know exactly stats for comparison, but I think......
... on a limb here... the older CRXs, EXAs for sure, your average prelude, beat a VN commodore the other day.... but there are so many variables. I mean I totally beat off a turbo riced-up prelude. I don't know what his problem was, but I beat him, and I shouldn't have. (left it in first to see if he wanted to race from the lights, and I hear the whine and the rear of his car sits down a fraction, and i am like 'cool' and so i boot it and after my second and his 'phhhhht' I just stayed ahead. very wierd.) My friend has an SX 4AGE Corolla and I always overtake him by like 1/2 a car length at the least.
[Updated on: Fri, 11 July 2003 23:52]
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Sat, 12 July 2003 12:22
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testing u ? haha, in that case you have done EXTREMELY well ! haha
Thanks a heap! THey sound like a good car !!
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Sat, 12 July 2003 15:27
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Yeah your dead right on the Brakes.
The only other way to tell I know that hasn't been mentioned is the tail lights. 86/87 models have two separate tail/brake lights with the reverse in the middle each side, while 88/89 have the american style, one single big tail/brake light each side.
Times got from a road test of the car back in the late 80's (when new), 0 - 100km was low 9sec, quarter mile low 16sec @ 135km/h
In this road test the car was tested against an 86 RX7 non turbo and an 86 cordia turbo. The celica got the lowest Quarter Mile time each run. (cause these were road tests, all cars were stock)
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Sun, 13 July 2003 01:57
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les if your looking at getitng one of these celicas ( ie 86 - 92 ish ) DEFINANTLY go the st162 SX celica with the 3sge motor ( like robs )
they by far are the best performing of the NA late model celicas - those 3sge's are GREAT NA motors , go hard - for a non turbo - and can be made to handle VERY well
After being in robst162's 162 - i can vouch for the sound as well - his has a good set of extractors on it - and sounds pretty bloody good - and it went well too ( even with the suspension needing some love and our homemade non rice cold air induction!! * rob is it still on ?? *)
If you cant find a Gt4 thats affordable and not rough as guts - go the 162 !
Any help i can put in - i will ( searching for info right now )
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Sun, 13 July 2003 10:52
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Had a look at two examples today
'88 st162 3sge - 160,000 MINT !!! Can get him down to $5,500
'86 st162 3sge - 209,000 not as good - $3,200
I really like the 88 one, but is a little out of my reach.. as I am looking for a run around car only 
86 is good but needs work and do not intend to do any work. the ra65 is work enough and as u said classique, they are kickass in stock form. they go well!
TELL ME... the 88 got a face lift didnt they... i swear they look a LOT different from the 86 model...
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Mon, 14 July 2003 02:37
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also just letting you know not all of the 87 year model are the same, my car is november 87 and is the same as 88,89 models not 86
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Mon, 14 July 2003 13:19
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The Only real differences between the 86 to 88 are what's been mentioned. Grill, Taillights, and Stock Wheels.
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Mon, 14 July 2003 22:55
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so the body shape - exactly the same ?
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Tue, 15 July 2003 10:27
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Yep the shell is exactly the same. 
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Tue, 15 July 2003 13:19
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what about interior dood ?
do all the 88+ come standard autop windows ?
I ask this because I saw 1 88 model and yes power windors..
saw 2 86 models and they had wind up windows ... ?
and the sunroof - does this open / close or is it just a glass one that does not open / close. one I saw was glued on... (maybe cuz it was leaking) ? 
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Tue, 15 July 2003 14:12
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Yeah I haven't yet seen an 86 with power windows, but most 88 I have seen do. So yeah that assumption would be correct. 
Well all of the factory sunroofs in the cars were painted panels, which poped up and retracted into the roof. There was never any glass factory roofs.
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Re: Pics and engine info for FWD Celicas - 1986 +
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Tue, 15 July 2003 22:05
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I have a 1990 2.2 SX. My friend has an 87 2.0. My friend always wins. Is there a way i can convert my engine to G EG 5SFE to 5SGE like could i just get the heads or whatever out of a 3sge and put them in mine?
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Wed, 16 July 2003 02:40
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If you have money, anything is possible !!
Just get a GT4 engine and dont tell him... hahahaha
then u will beat him all the time and he can wonder why ?? 
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Wed, 16 July 2003 02:51
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I can find the prices of 3SGTEs at wreckers, but i am not that good at mecanics, all i know is what parts are what and the basics of how engines work and stuff. Do you think I would be able to install the new engine with just a little help from a mecanic or how much woudl it cost to get somebody to install it?
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Re: Pics and engine info for FWD Celicas - 1986 +
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Wed, 16 July 2003 13:14
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No that head swap idea is totally not possible.
3S-GTE engines can cost you in the vicinity of 1800 to 2500 roughly, not entirely 100% on that. 
Not completly sure on the cost to transplant the engine by paying someone, but I can imagine It wouldn't be cheap. doing it yourself can run you into a few thousand.
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Re: Pics and engine info for FWD Celicas - 1986 +
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Fri, 14 January 2005 03:47
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Go the 162s
I'm loving mine... its a recommendation from Rob, i rekon the best advice his given me
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