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icon9.gif  Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 03:51 Go to next message
I have just been speaking to Direct Clutch here in Brisbane about a clutch for my 3S TA22.
The guy recommended a twin plate job costing $1800 Shocked or a Single plate, 5 puck brass button with 2900 pounds of pressure at only $440.
Both these clutches will handle the kind of power that I will be wanting and I know the twin plate would probably be the most nice to drive but the price is hella expensive Confused So can anyone give any reasons to lean toward the brass button?
I really dont want to spend $1800 Sad
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 04:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Brass Buttons really are not too bad as long as it's a sprung centre. That is about right for a twin plate and is what I will be getting later on when I need it. Don't over estimate (exagerate) power figures to clutch places as they WILL give you a clutch rated to that and in 98% of times it will be far more than you need. Really discuss what you are really wanting from the clutch and what realistic power it will be putting out. Most of the time a normal full face with a upgraded pressure plate might be all you need.

And Direct Clutch are now 1 week overdue getting me a clutch for my Supra.
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 04:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Also the $1800 for the twin plate was including to the cost of a custom steel flywheel which I dont want cause I already have a new one Confused
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 04:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok I just spoke to them again and yes it is a sprung center. And its just one they would make(Hi-Torque) so its not a big name brand.
Also I didnt over exagerate the power out put. I specified 260Kw to be my goal(at the wheels).

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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 04:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ask them if a ceramic button clutch will do the job... they're much nicer to drive. I'm really happy with mine, but wastegate's brass clutch was a biatch to drive!
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 04:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I've been looking at an excedy plate for my 3s that has 8 smaller pads. Meant to be quite stong but a lot less harsh than a button.
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Norbie, Did you get yours from Direct clutch? What power output did you specify?
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 08:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yup, Direct Clutch. They said it would hold at least 550hp.
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
550Hp Shocked I'll take some of that Very Happy
So yours is a 5 puck ceramic job? What pressure do you know?

I have been searching on here and people have been talking about getting 1 ton pressure plates.
The guy I spoke to said he could do 2900 pounds for mine mine! Does thise mean my leg is going to get bigger than it already is?
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 11:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I've gotten my last couple of clutches from Direct, and am generally pretty happy - they can be a tad slow sometimes, but usually it's worth the wait. My current clutch has 3500lbs clamp, and I haven't developed Weightlifter's Leg yet! It's fine to use.
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
3500lbs how the hell do ya get that?? I want one to.
What type of clutch did you get? A button or normal Rolling Eyes Also was it a name brand or just one of their made ones?
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah mine's a 5-puck ceramic sprung centre. I'm not sure what clamp they put on it, they just said "about 50% more than standard" (2JZ-GE). It's definitely not hard to use, even with my puny left leg. Smile
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Re: Clutches again Wed, 16 July 2003 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Great thanks. I'll speak to them again tomorrow and ask anout the ceramic puck clutch.
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Re: Clutches again Thu, 17 July 2003 01:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ok I'm confused Confused I just spoke to direct clutch and the guy said that ceramic button and brass button was the exact same thing Rolling Eyes
I mentioned that someone I know of(read Norbie) got a ceramic button off them and it was ok to drive on the road, and the guy said mine would be exactly the same.
Should I just fork out the $440 and see how it goes?
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Re: Clutches again Thu, 17 July 2003 03:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Hmmm, I'm confused as well. I don't remember seeing anything brass on my clutch plate!
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Re: Clutches again Thu, 17 July 2003 04:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well as long as i'm not the only one confused. I guess i'll just go over there and tell them what I want again and fork out the money. See how I go with what I get Confused

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Re: Clutches again Thu, 17 July 2003 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Cool 1 - the button clutches that I have looked at lately all seem to be this pinky ceramic/metallic compound - most ppl are referring to them as brass (maybe some brass in the compound).
Maybe this is where the confusion starts and finishes Confused
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Re: Clutches again Thu, 17 July 2003 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Yeah who knows. I'm just gonna fork out the money and get it.

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Re: Clutches again Thu, 17 July 2003 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
When I spoke to another reputable custom clutch shop recently, they explained that almost all "button" clutches use a ceramic/metallic compound, ie: ceramic & brass. The theory behind the compound is that the brass increases the coefficient of friction (grip), whilst the ceramic balances out some of the harshness, and reduces pressure plate & flywheel wear compared to if you had a really high concentration of brass in the material. I cant imagine a clutch plate being strictly brass or ceramic only.

Phil

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Re: Clutches again Thu, 17 July 2003 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Well that explains something Smile
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Re: Clutches again Fri, 18 July 2003 02:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
YelloRolla wrote on Thu, 17 July 2003 18:14

Cool 1 - the button clutches that I have looked at lately all seem to be this pinky ceramic/metallic compound

Yep, that's what mine looked like!
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Re: Clutches again Fri, 18 July 2003 03:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Here is what my old one looked like.

It was a 3400lb pressure plate with that 5 puck. The "Springs" are solid metal.
http://www.jzgte.com/~nickc/albums/clutch/flywheel.sized.jpg
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Re: Clutches again Fri, 18 July 2003 06:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
I feel ripped off now only getting 2900lbs Sad
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Re: Clutches again Fri, 18 July 2003 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don't worry I paid though the arse for mine as I went to Jim Berry, good clutch but was alittle expensive at $770 for it. I'm getting a full face clutch with a 3200lb pressure plate done at Direct Clutch now for $550, infact it should have been here this arvo but didn't turn up.. Lucky for them I didn't get my replacement 1JZ today.
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Re: Clutches again Sun, 20 July 2003 02:53 Go to previous message
The clutch pictured above is for an R154, which is much bigger than a W5x clutch. I doubt you'd get 3500lb clamp on a W5x pressure plate.
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